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A09313	The letters patents of the presbyterie vvith the plea and fruits of the prelacie. Manifested out of the scriptures, fathers, ecclesiasticall histories, Papists, and sundrie other authors. By Iames Peregrin.	[Peregin, James].; Partridge, James, attributed name. aut	1632 (1632)	STC 19622B.5; ESTC S103890	43,655	62

no others that he set to gouerne besides the Apostles and Euangelist but presbyters Hath God then set them for Gouernours in the church vvill men presume to supplant them and set others Dare men say that the gouernment by diocessan Bishops ordained by men is better then this of Elders ordained by God To vvhome indeede God must needes giue a better blessing as beeing his ovvne ordinance he hath set them in the church Neither doth that proue the contrarie because in Amsterdam and som other cities of Holland there are many Religions for neither Bishops if they had such nor Elders can hinder it if the pollicie suffer them But looke into the reformed churches there in France and elsvvhere and you shall finde them better gouerned and much better vvould be if som burgers to enritch themselues and get places of authority or a league trade vvith Spaine did not vvaxe negligent in religion and for such ends turne Arminians and nevvters If an Apostle vvere novv liuing and should vvrite an Epistle to Mr. Moulin pastor and Elder in Sedan Against an Elder receiue not an accusation vnder two or there vvitnesses that vvould not argue that he vvere ouer other Pastors and Elders in the prouince nor as a Lord in his ovvne congregation but rather vvhat vvere his duty yea the duty of all Elders assembled in such a case The Apostle recounting all the officers and Gouernours of the church Ephes 4. saith He gaue some Apostles and some Prophets and some Pastors and Teachers vvhere he neither names Bishops nor Elders much lesse both as tvvo distinct callings because the Pastor by his place vvas a Presbiter and so a Bishop properlie the deacons had the care of the Almes In such a church as that of Ephesus or Philippi there vvere diuers vvho vvere teachers and helpers but one vvho vvas somevvhat more properlie the Pastor and so the bishop of that flock therefore though the charge go to all the Elders Take beede to your selues Reuel 2. and to all the flocke c yet this is somvvhat more especiallie applied to him that is pastor and so the first Elder or bishop Vnto the Angel of the church of Ephesus vvrite that is to the pastor Euen as in the church of Paris at this day vvhich is one congregation of about six thousand communicants there are three preachers vvho are all Elders to feede the flock yet one of them is reckoned the pastor the other tvvo helpers the like in Diepe and diuers other cities vvhere they liue amōg persecuting Papists as the old Christians did among the heathen hauing but one congregation or flock in a citie In some lesser cities or vvhere there are fevver protestants there is only a pastor vvith lay Elders And thus out of all doubt Act. 14. Tit. 1.5 it vvas in the primatiue church till after the death of the Apostles vvho ordained Elders in euerie church and citie vvhere one vvas the pastor yet in matter of gouernment all the Elders of a church ruled together by commō consent euen in Ierusalem things were not done vvithout the Elders but the decrees vvent out in all their names VVhen Paul vvent last to Ierusalem there vvere diuers vvith him But saith Luke Act. 21.18 Paul vvent in vvith vs to Iames all the Elders vvere present The Apostle would doe nothing vvithout them Therefore Paul saith 1. Tim. 5.17 Let the Elders that rule vvell be counted vvorthy of double honour espectiallie they vvho labour in the vvord doctrine VVhence also som collect that there vvere som Elders that vvere not ministers but lay-men of the more vnderstāding best gouerned sort Hovvsoeuer ye see they had all share in the gouernment vvere it vvith Timothie Titus or vvhosoeuer For these vvere not greater then the Apostles vvhich vvas the highest calling in the church yet euen vvith them in Ierusalem there vvere Elders as it vvere in ioynt commission for matter of gouernment they themselues tooke on them this office disdained not to be reckoned vvith other presbiters Peter saith 1. Pet. 5.1 The * or Elders 2. Ioh. presbiters vvhich are among you I exhort vvho am also Sumpresbuteros a fellovv presbiter and Iohn that might haue said The Apostle chooseth rather to say The Elder to the elect ladie The * or Elder Presbiter to the vvelbeloued Gaius None of the Apostles are in the nevv Testament called bishops but presbiters because a presbiter vvas a bishop then a name of no lesse honour but rather of greater beeing Indeed one and the same pastorall office in euerie congregation it vvas the highest in the church next the Apostles Euangelists and pastors the Elders beeing the officers vvhich God had appointed to gouern his church to the vvorlds end The holy Ghost saith not Bishops least aftervvard it should haue bene takē for diocessan Bishops but Elders Neither doth Iohn set the Pope or any Bishop but Christ among them as their only head for chap. 5. Christ standeth in the midst of the throne and in the midst of the Elders to shevv they truly belong to his gouernment as diocessan Bishops so that of Antichrist It was stoutly defended in the councell of Trent Histor of the concell of Trent pag. 599. 613. Rom. 13.1 that they held of the Pope not immediately of God True not so rightly as the Elders doe nor yet in a manner so litle digressing as the first diocessan Bishops did as vve shall further see in the sequel therfore they are not so truly of Gods Kingdome but rather of a contrarie For indeede There is no power but of God The powers that be are ordained of God VVhence it follovves that all povvers much more those that gouerne the church must be ordained of God or else they be not lavvfull Novv this can not be said of the Pope and Cardinals nor of Diocessan Bishops for these vvere not ordained of God but of men Ergo c. They are indeede against Elders vvhich are the povvers ordained of God VVhosoeuer therefore resisteth these powers resisteth the ordinance of God One of the Elders speakes to Iohn concerning the Martirs Reuel 7. that suffered in the ten persecutions signified by those troubles that follovved the opening of the seauen seales then past gone And though vvhilst the vvoman the true Church fled and remained in the vvildernes from Antichristian titannie and superstition their gouernment must needes be hid and persecured vvith her yet vvhen the Gospell is restored the Temple of God opened diuers kingdoms of this vvorld became the kingdoms of our Lord Reuel 11. and of his Christ the Elders vvorship giue thanks as also vvhen Babilon is destroied herevpon it is said The Lord God omnipotent reighneth that is in his vvord and ordinances ●hap 194.5.6 Elders are then restored vvhereas before she her traditions hierarchie gouerned churches For in that they are euer thus about the

litle harme in it yet doubtles the inuention and allovvance gaue occasion of all these euils vvas some breack of the second comandement as vvomen that frisse their hair paint or lay open their naked breasts are occasions of lust breake the commandement such precepts as require modestie though they doe not these things on purpose to make men fornicators but for fashion sake to get husbands or the like reason At this day there is such an Image of the virgin reedified beautified at the crosse in cheape side Besides Engl●sh Papists diuers Spaniards others haue bene obserued to vvorship it and therefore neither the ancient custome of this inuention nor any constitution allowing it nor the little hurt it did at the first or novv doth to many can serue to excuse the Rulers that suffer it For vvee see many kings are blamed for suffering the high places vvhich some time vvere litle frequented or at least not by many Smal faults errours make vvay for greater It may be the inuentors and maintainers of diocessan Bishops som Romish ceremonies meant ●●s litle hurt at the first as any of these yet seeing they haue ●one doe may doe so much hurt it is a great fault to main●aine or suffer them The Iesuits know that the maintenance of them and suppressing of bookes against them are notable ●nductions to nevvtralitie luke vvarmnes ignorance errour ●nd poperie as they finde in many Arminians and pontifici●ns further that no Protestant church in the vvorld hath ●o handsom a cloake for a church Papist Spanish or Romish ●s these serue for And yet these as all the errours of the Romish church being once receiued haue bene maintained by men of great pretie knovvledge in other things VVho are thought to haue more knovvledge holines deuotion then some franciscans that maintaine these errours about the bles●ed virgin others of poperie The deuil all corrupt men hauing once broached any errour euer get some of the most religious and learned to defend it or at least that it is a thing indifferent or tollerable thus the beginnings of Diocessan Bishops and Romish ceremonies some primacie in the Pope Images in the churches to a religious vse and the like being begun vvith smaller digressions from the truth haue gained some to defend them as things indifferent and tollerable vvho vvere reckoned oft vvere men of great knovvledge and pierie in other matters and then these errours and abuses being thus defended grevv greater and more intollerable So the Bishops in England hauing gotten some men to subscribe that are verie learned religious they then get them also to defend their Hierarchie traditions and ceremonies vvhich doctrine they knovv vvill be best receiued at such mens hand as vvee haue of late seene in Doctor Burges and others much graced by the Bishops vvho among themselues also haue some that are and others that seeme to be verie religious in many things But vvee should remember that these are but men that engaged a litle in any cause are subiect to fall farther into it that gifts or hopes of preferment blind the eies of the vvise that the church of Rome could neuer haue gained her cause in so many things if she had not had the helpe of men esteemed as religious and learned that she could neuer vvant of this sort vvho had such revvards for her champions such povver to suspend and silence the opposers no more can the Bishops The 34. Art 34. Article saith thus It is not necessary that traditions ceremonies be in all places one or vtterly like for at all times they haue bene diuers and may be changed according to the diuersitie of countries times and mens manners so that nothing be ordained against Gods vvord I ansvvere in some cases this may be admitted For the Apostle vvould not haue a man praying to be couered in the church and in those hot countries if any that might wel endure to be bareheaded in praier 1. Cor. 11.4 c. as the most might should haue vvorne a night cap or the like thing in the church it had bene as greate an euill in him as if he had vvorne a hart yet in ours being a much colder countrie the church vvith good reason allovveth such to vveare night caps in time of praier as can not vvith safety of their health be vncouered so long God requires not the death or danger of his creatures in such cases In Muscouie Svvede and some colder Climates men are so bitten vvith frost that they are constrained to keepe somvvhat on their heads Here necessitie requireth that the ceremonie be not the same nor in some old or sick body that is not able to kneele all the time of praier But vvhat necessitie is there for the crosse in Baptisme the surplesse copes or kneeling at the Sacrament which vvere not vsed in the age of the Apostles are but meere mockeries make the vvord of none effect and haue bene so much abused to idollatrie as the Image of the blessed virgin Because the Apostle saith 1. Cor. 14.40 Let all things be done decently and in order therefore some infer the church or the magistrate may ordaine these and the like A foolish inference that serues as vvell for the Paplsts and their trumperies pretended to belong to decencie order as for them For hovv is there more decencie and order in these things then vvas in the time of the Apostles or is novv in the reformed churches The Apostle speakes of decencie and order vvhereby they should be the better Christians the vvomen being couered the men vncouered in time of praier the men speaking in a knovvne tongue and one after another not confusedly the vvomen keeping silence in the church of these and the like he saith Let all things be done decently and in order But vvhat better Christians are men for the crosse in baptisme for the surplesse and kneeling at the Sacrament vvhat more decencie and order in the surplesse then in a shirt of haire a Iesuits cloake a friers vvhite roabe a Capuchins gray govvne hood or the rope vvherevvith he girds himselfe vvhat more decencie and order in the crosse in baptisme then in the crosse that hangs at the friers girdle in kneeling at the receiuing of the bread then in kneeling at the feete of a Priest in confession before a crosse or Image or at their receiuing of the host vvhat more decencie and order in diocessan prouinciall Bishops Chancellours Deanes and Archdeacons and their courts and proceedings then in those of the church of Rome the Cardinals Generals and Canonists saue in the degrees of superstition and impietie That place indeed giues vvarrant in some cases as touching the time and place of Gods vvorship and needefull ceremonies therein That on the Lords day it should begin about 8. or 9. in the morning and end before noone and begin againe about tvvo because men in many places