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A44682 A letter written out of the countrey to a person of quality in the city who took offence at the late sermon of Dr. Stillingfleet, Dean of S. Pauls, before the Lord Mayor Howe, John, 1630-1705. 1680 (1680) Wing H3031; ESTC R15459 34,926 55

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or no It is not how far Christians are bound to submit to a restraint of their Christian liberty Which I now inquire after of those things in the Treatise it self but whether they do consult for the Churches Peace and Unity who suspend it upon such things How far either the example of our Saviour or his Apostles doth warrant such rigorous impositions We never read the Apostles making Laws but of things supposed necessary When the Counsel of Apostles met at Jerusalem for deciding a Case that disturbed the Churches Peace we see they would lay no other burden 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 besides these necessary things Act. 15. 29. It was not enough with them that the things would be necessary when they had required them but they looked on an Antecedent necessity either absolute or for the present state which was the only ground of their imposing those Commands upon the Gentile Christians There were after this great diversities of practice and Varieties of Observations among Christians but the Holy Ghost never thought those things fit to be made matters of Laws to which all parties should conform all that the Apostles required as to these was mutual forbearance aud condescension towards each other in them The Apostles valued not differences at all and those things it is evident they accounted such which whether men did them or not was not of concernment to Salvation And what reason is there why men should be so strictly tyed up to such things which they may do or let alone and yet be very good Christians still Without all controversie the main In-let of all the distractions confusions and divisions of the Christian World hath been by adding other conditions of Church-communion than Christ hath done Nor am I now inquiring whether the things Commanded be lawful or no Nor whether indifferences may be determined or no Nor how far Christians are bound to submit to a restraint of their Christian Liberty But only inquiring as he there doth concerning the Charter given by Christ for the binding men up to more than himself hath done And I further inquire by what power they can be bound which Christ hath not given And if there be no such power to bind them suppose the things required were all lawful which if it can be evinc't I should rejoyce to see done yet while they cannot in conscience think they are how can they apprehend themselves bound to be without the means of Salvation which Christ's Charter entitles them to I readily grant it is fit a man do many things for peace and Common Orders sake which otherwise no Law doth formally oblige him to i.e. supposing he can do those things without intolerable prejudice to himself And so it is commonly determined in the matter of scandals But can it be thought a man is to put himself out of the state or way of Salvation in complement to such as will otherwise take offence And be so Courteous as to Perish for ever rather than they shall be displeased Yea and it may be moreover added That our course being accounted lawful must also as the Doctor speaks in another case be thought a duty For the things that are as means necessary to our salvation are also necessary by Divine Precept We are commanded to hear Gods Word to devote our selves and our Children to God in Baptism and at the Lords own Table to remember him and shew forth his death till he come And if we compare together certain Positions of this Reverend Author we cannot see but he must as our case is acknowledge our obligation to the practice which he here seems to blame For in his Iren. p. 109. He asserts That every Christian is under an obligation to joyn in Church-society with others because it is his duty to profess himself a Christian and to own his Religion publickly and to partake of the Ordinances and Sacraments of the Gospel which cannot be without society with some Church or other And he after adds on the same page It had been a case disputed by some particularly by Grotius the supposed Author of a little Tract An semper sit communicandum per symbola When he design'd the Syncretism with the Church of Rome whether in a time when Churches are divided it be a Christians duty to communicate with any of those Parties which divide the Church and not rather to suspend communion from all of them A case not hard to be deoided for either the person questioning it doth suppose the Churches divided to remain true Churches but some to be more pure than other in which case by vertue of his genral obligation to Communion he is bound to adh●re to that Church which appears most to retain its Evangelical purity To which purpose he further tells us page 110. He knows not whether Chrysostom ' s act were to be commended who after being made a Deacon in the Church of Antioch by Meletius upon his death because Flavianus came in irregularly as Bishop of the Church would neither communicate with him nor with Paulinus another Bishop at that time in the City nor with the Meletians but for three years time withdrew himself from communion with any of them And p. 113. Where any Church is guilty of Corruptions both in Doctrine and Practice which it avoweth and professeth and requireth the owning them as necessary conditions of communion with her there a non-communion with that Church is necessary and a total and positive separation is lawful and convenient What he discourses page 111 112. upon the Question Whether it is a sin to communicate with Churches true as to Essentials but supposed corrupt in the exercise of Discipline Many of us will no doubt heartily concur with him in But it touches not the case of many more who do not so much fear upon the account of the neglect of Discipline to be involv'd in the guilt of other mens sin as there seems to be little cause that part being not incumbent upon us Nor if that be his meaning when he speaks of separating on a pretence of great purity is it the case with most of us but we justly fear and therefore avoid to be made to sin our selves by having such things as we judge to be sinful imposed on us as the Conditions of our Communion And as to this case this Reverend Author speaks our sense in this last cited Proposition and pleads our present Cause Nor need we more to be said on behalf of it than what is reducible to that general Proposition or particularly to that second thing compared with the third which p. 115. he says makes separation and withdrawment of communion lawful and necessary viz. Corruption of practice where we say as he doth We speak not of practice as relating to the civil conversation of men but as it takes in the Agenda of Religion when unlawful things of that kind are not only crept into a Church but are the prescribed devotion of it Those
Christian World viz. the adding other conditions of Church-communion than Christ hath done And though he hath lately told the World there are some passages in that book that shew only the inconsiderateness of Youth and that he seems to wish unsaid yet he hath not that we know declared that these are some of them However since this present determination and judgement of his against us is so peremptory and positive as well as severe let us in the next place 2. Consider and carefully examine as we are concerned what he hath performed in defence of it and it is to be hoped the inefficacy and weakness of his attempt therein will sufficiently appear What I can find in his Sermon hath any aspect or design that way is either ad rem or ad hominem And to my apprehension his reasonings of the one kind or the other are altogether unconcluding 1. As to what may be supposed to be ad rem if you look narrowly you will find that the principal things alledged by him that can under that notion give support to his Cause are only affirmed but not proved For instance p. 9. When he tells us that the Apostle supposed the necessity of one fixed and certain Rule c. This had been very material to his purpose if 1. He had told us and had proved the Apostle meant some Rule or other super-added to the Sacred Scriptures For then he might it is to be presumed as easily have let us know what that Rule was which most probably would have ended all our controversie it being little to be doubted we should all most readily have agreed to obey it Or 2ly If he had proved that because the Apostle had power to make such a Rule and oblige the Churches to observe it that therefore such Church-Guides as they whose cause the Doctor pleads have an equal power to make other Rules divers from his containing many new things which he never enjoyn'd and to enforce them upon the Church though manifestly tending to its destruction rather than edification But these things he doth but suppose himself without colour of proof Again for his Notion of Churches p. 16 17 18 19. examine as strictly as you will what he says about it And see whether it come to any thing more than only to represent a National Church a possible thing and whereto the name Church may without absurdity be given His own words seem to aim no higher Why may there not be one National Church from the consent in the same Articles of Religion and the same order of Worship pag. 18. The word was used in the first Ages of the Christian Church as it comprehended the Ecclesiastical Governours and the people of whole Cities And why many of these Cities being united together under one Civil Government and the same Rules of Religion should not be called one National Church I cannot understand p. 19. But can it now be infer'd thence that therefore God hath actually constituted every Christian Kingdom or Nation such a Church Can it further be infer'd that he hath invested the Guides of this Church not chosen by the people according Scripture and Primitive practice for some ages with a power to make Laws and Decrees prescribing not only things necessary for common order and decency but new federal Rites and teaching Signs and Symbols superadded to the whole Christian Institution with many more dubious and unnecessary things besides and to exclude sober and pious Christians from the Priviledges that are proper to the Christian Church as such meerly for that out of conscience towards God they dare not admit into their Worship those Additions to the Christian Religion To take order they shall have no Pastors no Sacraments no Assemblies for Worship and because they will not be so much more than Christians that they shall not be Christians at all He that would go about to make these Inferences meerly from the forementioned ground would gain to be laught at by all sober men instead of a conclusion whatsoever better success he should have who should undertake to prove the same things any other way This Reverend Author was so wise as not to attempt either of these But then in the mean time what doth the meer possible notion of such a Church advantage his Cause Because it is possible there might have been such a Macedonian or such a Lydian Church is such a one therefore necessary and any other Constitution of a Christian Church impossible or unlawful Or because the General meeting of the Magistrates of the whole City and People together in Pagan Athens was called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 therefore such must be the constitution of a Christian Church And therefore such a Church hath such powers from Christ as were above mentioned Here howsoever we make our stand and say that till the Doctor hath proved these two things 1. That such a Church as he hath given us the notion of as of a thing meerly possible is actually a Divine Institution And 2ly That God hath given to the Ecclesiastical Governours in it never chosen by the Christian Community or to any other Power to super-add Institutions of the nature above mentioned and to enforce them under the mentioned Penalties All his reasonings that pretend to be ad rem are to no purpose and do nothing at all advantage his Cause Yet there are some passages in this part of his Discourse that though they signifie nothing to his main purpose are yet very remarkable and which 't is fit we should take some notice of As when pag. 16. He tell us what he means by whole Churches viz. The Churches of such Nations which upon the decay of the Roman Empire resumed their just power of Government to themselves and upon their owning Christianity incorporated into one Christian Society under the same common tyes and rules of Order and Government As if there could be no whole Churches in the world that had not been of the Roman Empire Or as if those of the Roman Empire could not have been whole Churches without resumption of the Civil Government Or as we suppose he means as if which he intimates p. 19. we needed this so dearly espoused notion as a ground to acquit us from the imputation of Schism in our separating from the Church of Rome Which certainly it were not for the advantage of the Protestant Cause to admit For then all that remain within the Empire were bound to continue in the Communion of the Roman Church And in the other Kingdoms where Princes have not resumed their just right of reforming Errors in Doctrine and Corruptions in Worship all should be Schismaticks that should separate from the Church of Rome Again when p. 17. He would confute that great mistake the making the notion of a Church barely to relate to Acts of Worship A mistake whereof I never knew any man guilty He surely runs into as great an opposite mistake in making the notion of a
A LETTER Written out of the COUNTREY TO A PERSON of QUALITY IN THE CITY WHO Took Offence at the late SERMON of Dr. Stillingfleet Dean of S. PAULS Before the LORD MAYOR Considering thy self lest thou also be tempted Gal. 6. 1. Johannes Coletus Decanus quem dicunt Divi Pauli apud suos Anglos alter pene Apostolus Paulus habitus est Polyd. Virgil. LONDON Printed in the Year 1680. A LETTER Written out of the COUNTREY TO A Person of Quality in the CITY c. I Perceive your Mind is disturb'd which my Friendship with you can no more let me be unconcern'd for than if I heard you were sick nor less to study your Relief Such may be the Cause and Measure of your Passion and such the disproportion between the One and the Other as to need it a great deal more though yet perhaps to deserve it less For your sickness might be your infelicity only but a perturbation that exceeds its Cause cannot but be your fault Which kind of Evil though it be much greater and therefore needs more application for the removing of it yet it can challenge less help from another because you are your own Afflicter and may when you please cure your self which no man else can do for you But if another may contribute towards it by laying before you apt Considerations which you are your self to apply you know you are to expect it from no mans good will more than mine If indeed you expect much from my Ability that is another Fault entirely your own and whereto you could have no temptation Thus much I shall freely profess to you that I have a great value of an equal temper and composure of mind not apt to be unduly mov'd or entertain any thing that occurs with indecent perturbation or other resentment than is due and suitable to the occasion And desire it more than either to be in the best external circumstances or not to be in the worst As I wish for my self I wish for you and therefore am willing to place my endeavour accordingly where it may be in a possibility of effecting somewhat to your advantage and where it is most desirable it should In the present case the Fault I find with you is that your resentment of the matter you complain of is undue and not proportionable to the occasion And whereas you seem to labour under the Distemper and excess of a twofold Passion of Fear lest a just and good Cause as you and I do both account should suffer some great prejudice by this opposition of Dr. Stillingfleet And of Anger that he from whom better things might have been expected should attempt any thing in this kind I shall hereupon endeavour to represent to you the causlesness both of your Fear and in great part of your Anger And first defend the Cause against Dr. Stillingfleet and then add somewhat in defence of Dr. Stillingfleet against you 1. As to the former we are I. To give the plain state of it with the Doctors Judgment against us in it II. To discuss the Matter with the Doctor and shew 1. The Indefensibleness of that Judgment 2. The Inefficacy of the Doctor 's Attempt to Defend it I. It is first necessary that we have a true state of the cause it self before our Eyes which is plainly this That as there are very great numbers of People beyond what the Ministers of Parishes in divers places can possibly perform Ministerial Duty unto So there are withal very many that cannot be satisfied in conscience to intrust their Souls and their Spiritual Concernments to the Pastoral Care and Conduct of the Parochial Ministry only Though they generally have a very reverend esteem of divers who are of it do many of them very frequently partake of some part of their Labours and rejoyce in them as great Ornaments and real Blessings to the Christian Church But these are very unproportionable in number to the Necessities of the People and are by Legal restraints ty'd up one way as they by conscientious are another in respect of some principal parts of Christian Worship without which they should be visibly in the condition of Pagans There are also many persons who have been devoted to the Service of God and his Church in the Ministerial Function some of them in the way which now obtains others in a way which this Reverend Author did not disapprove who are not satisfied in Conscience about the Terms upon which they might have continued or may be admitted Parochial Incumbents So that here are numerous Flocks scattered without Pastors here are many Pastors without Flocks The People it is true on whose behalf these Papers are more especially written are in this destitute condition by their own scruples Not is it the present design to justify all those scruples But they are with many of long continuance and for ought appears unremoveable If they should be defer'd and bidden to use patience while such further endeavours are used with them as this Sermon contains yet death will have no Patience nor be defer'd So that there are multitudes passing into eternity out of a Christian Nation having no benefit of Christian Ordinances no means of instruction in the Truth and Doctrines of the Christian Religion in order to their Salvation The course which is de facto taken in this distress for their relief is that which the reverend Author bends himself against in this Sermon And there are two sorts of Persons concern'd in it The People who rather than return to the state of Paganism implore the help of these unimploy'd Ministers desiring them to perform the duty of Christian Ministers towards them And the Ministers who rather than they should cease to be Christians or themselves alwaies cease from the Work of Ministers comply with their desires and as they can allow them their desired help This Author doth more directly and professedly speak to the case of the People To that of the Ministers only by way of Oblique reflection You and I who among the former do often partake in the Worship and Ordinances of God in the separate Assemblies though we are not so squeamish as to balk the Publick nor so unjust and ungrateful as not to thank God for the excellent advantages that are sometimes to be met with there are both concern'd and led by the Doctors discourse to consider what is said as to this case of ours Which yet I would have us consider not so appropriately as to exclude them our very compassionate consideration that are more pincht and confin'd to narrower limits by their own scruples than we are and whose Number you cannot but apprehend to be so great as to call for a very large compassion in considering their case It is indeed a case of far-prospect and which lookes down upon after-times You know how easily it may be deduced all along from the beginning of the English Reformation when some very eminent among our Reformers were not
exceptionable person yea though otherwise never so deserving that hath ty'd his own hands and is under such restraints that he cannot or so disinclin'd that he will not dispense the Ordinances of Christ in such a way as wherein with satisfaction to our Consciences we may enioy them Read over the Doctors Sermon again and again and you will find no course is prescribed us but to sit still without any enjoyment of Christian Ordinances at all And with how great numbers must this be the case for himself professes to believe that the People that frequent the separate meetings who you know are not a few do generally judge it to be unlawful to joyn in the Publick Assemblies And are we alwaies to sit still thus That is to exchange Visible Christianity for Visible at least negative Paganism This if you take the whole compass of it is a thing of awful importance that so great a Limb of a Christian Nation they and their posterity should be Paganized from Age to Age and cut off from the whole Body of the Christian Community only because they scruple some things the least exceptionable whereof are no part of the Christian Institution as himself and they whose Advocate he is will freely confess nor do necessarily belong to it being as they contend but indifferent things He seems rather contented we should not be Christians at all than not to be Christians of this particular mode That we should rather want the substance of Christs Gospel and Sacraments than have them accompany'd with confessedly needless additions and which we fear to be forbidden us by their Lord and ours We do sincerely profess wherein we decline the Communion he invites us to we only displease him and those of his way and mind out of a real fear of otherwise displeasing God We agree with them in far greater things than we can differ in We are of that One Body which they themselves profess to be of so far as meer Christianity is the distinction and collective bond of it and desire to be under the conduct and Government of that One Spirit We are called with them in that One Hope of our calling and earnestly expect whatever hard thoughts they have of us to meet many a one of them in the participation of the blessed hoped end of that calling We acknowledge that One Lord that One Faith that One Baptism or Covenant which the Baptism of our Lords appointment seales and that One God and Father of all who is above all and through all and in us all Yet because we cannot we dare not consent with them to the additions which belong not and which we fear are unduly affixt to the Religion of Christians we are adjudged to be as much as in them is cut off from Christ deprived of the dear pledges of his love and acquisitions of his Blood are driven out from the inheritance of the Lord and it is in effect said to us go and serve other Gods Thus far the severity of this reverend Author towards us extends Which while we thus truely represent and recount let us also 2. Consider what agreement it holds with what we elsewhere observe from him We have already taken notice that for our bare non-conformity he acquits us of the guilt of Schism And p. 20. of this Sermon he says He doth not confound bare suspending Communion in some particular Rites which persons do modestly scruple and using it in what they judge to be lawful with either total or at least ordinary forbearance of Communion in what they judge to be lawful and proceeding to the forming of separate Congregations ` T is this latter he severs and singles out for his opposition Against our suspending Communion in some particular Rites which we judge unlawful if we use it in what we judge lawful which I with him presume the Lay-Dissenters in England generally do he hath nothing to say Yea and undertaking to shew what Error of Conscience doth excuse a man from sin in following the Dictates of it he tells us p. 44. That if the Error be wholly involuntary i.e. If it be caused by invincible ignorance which he thus explains in the following words or after using the best means for due information of his Conscience though the act may be a fault in it self yet it shall not be imputed to him for a sin because it wanted the consent of the Mind by which the Will is determined And now Sir I beseech you consider 1. When he confesses if we be willing to be satisfied and our Errour be involuntary it shall not be imputed to us for a sin Why are we to be so severely dealt with for what is not to be imputed to us for a sin If it were any methinks it should not deserve such rigor at the hands of Men that are themselves also liable to Mistakes and Errors Is it so very criminal if every poor illiterate Dissenter in England Man or Woman cannot in all their days attain to a better and more settled Judgment in such dubious matters than this Reverend Person had himself arriv'd to twenty years ago Especially that never had or were capable of having those peculiar helps and inducements to temper and reform their judgments that he hath enjoy'd 'T is a long time that his own judgment hath been ripening to that maturity as at length to think it fit and seasonable to say so much as he hath for the reforming of ours even in this Sermon Methinks he should not be so very quick and hard towards us upon so slender a cause as our scrupling some particular Rites to adjudge us and ours to be totally deprived of Baptism which themselves count necessary to our salvation and of the other Ordinances of Christ which they do not think unnecessary And consider secondly Whereas he says That if a man erre after using the best means for due information of his Conscience it shall not be imputed to him as a sin What if we erre this Error as he counts it after using the best means for due information that we ought rather than to return to the state of Paganism to bear our part in the forming of such Meetings for the Worship of God as wherein we may with the satisfaction of our own Consciences enjoy all his holy Ordinances It will surely be within the compass of this his general Position and not be imputable as a sin Then it is to be hoped we should rather choose to do so then Paganize our selves or live in the wilful neglect of his Institutions Which to do by our own choice when we might do otherwise we cannot but think a very great sin If here the Doctor should assume to himself to tell us not only that we erre herein whereof we are to regard his proof as it shall be considered by and by more than his Affirmation But also that our Error is wilful we shall appeal from him to one that better knows how