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church_n neither_o have_v i_o write_v one_o word_n tend_v to_o that_o end_n but_o this_o i_o say_v again_o whether_o the_o apostle_n mean_v one_o ruler_n in_o every_o congregation_n or_o mo_z be_v not_o here_o determine_v and_o i_o see_v no_o cause_n as_o i_o have_v say_v why_o in_o this_o place_n of_o the_o apostle_n this_o word_n governor_n may_v not_o either_o signify_v the_o christian_a magistrate_n o_o ecclesiastical_a as_o archbishop_n bishop_n or_o whatsoever_o other_o by_o lawful_a authority_n be_v appoint_v in_o the_o church_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o reason_n to_o be_v show_v why_o he_o shall_v rather_o mean_v your_o senior_n than_o any_o other_o magistrate_n sure_o i_o be_o that_o there_o be_v learn_v man_n which_o think_v that_o the_o apostle_n in_o this_o word_n do_v comprehend_v ecclesiae_fw-la
point_n wherein_o the_o question_n especial_o lie_v which_o be_v whether_o this_o function_n be_v perpetual_a and_o aught_o to_o remain_v always_o in_o the_o church_n and_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v by_o the_o way_n that_o whereas_o there_o be_v dyvers_a sort_n of_o adversary_n to_o this_o discipline_n o_o the_o church_n m._n doctor_n be_v among_o the_o worst_a for_o there_o be_v that_o say_v that_o this_o order_n may_v be_v use_v or_o not_o use_v now_o at_o the_o liberty_n of_o the_o church_n but_o m._n doctor_n say_v that_o this_o order_n be_v not_o for_o these_o time_n but_o only_o for_o those_o time_n when_o there_o be_v no_o christian_a magistrate_n and_o so_o do_v flat_o pinch_n at_o those_o church_n which_o have_v christian_n magistrate_n yet_o notwithstanding_o retain_v this_o order_n still_o io._n whitgifte_n i_o say_v so_o still_o and_o i_o be_o able_a to_o defend_v my_o say_n against_o all_o that_o you_o have_v show_v to_o the_o contrary_n and_o yet_o do_v i_o not_o pinch_n at_o any_o church_n that_o use_v it_o if_o there_o be_v any_o such_o so_o that_o they_o have_v the_o consent_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n who_o may_v if_o he_o will_v depart_v from_o his_o right_n &_o abridge_v himself_o of_o the_o authority_n commit_v unto_o he_o by_o god_n but_o he_o need_v not_o so_o do_v except_o he_o listen_v and_o whether_o it_o be_v well_o do_v or_o no_o i_o will_v not_o determine_v this_o i_o be_o well_o assure_v of_o that_o in_o a_o monarchy_n &_o in_o a_o kingdom_n such_o as_o this_o realm_n of_o england_n be_v it_o can_v not_o be_v practise_v without_o untollerable_a contention_n &_o extreme_a confusion_n except_o you_o can_v devise_v to_o make_v every_o several_a parish_n a_o kingdom_n within_o itself_o and_o exempt_v it_o from_o all_o ecclestastical_a &_o civil_a jurisdiction_n of_o prince_n prelate_n &_o whosoever_o which_o undoubted_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v your_o seek_v as_o will_v appear_v hereafter_o chap._n 2._o the._n 2._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 139._o sect._n ult._n &_o pag._n 140._o sect._n 1_o and_o to_o the_o end_n that_o the_o vanity_n of_o this_o distinction_n which_o be_v that_o there_o ought_v to_o be_v senior_n or_o ancient_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n &_o not_o of_o peace_n under_o tyrant_n &_o not_o under_o christian_n magistrate_n may_v appear_v the_o cause_n why_o these_o senior_n or_o ancient_n be_v appoint_v in_o the_o church_n be_v to_o be_v consider_v which_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v to_o be_v for_o that_o the_o pastor_n not_o be_v able_a to_o oversee_v all_o himself_o &_o to_o have_v his_o eye_n in_o every_o corner_n of_o the_o church_n &_o place_n where_o y_o e_o churches_n abode_n may_v be_v help_v of_o the_o ancient_n wherein_o the_o wonderful_a love_n of_o god_n towards_o his_o church_n do_v manifest_o appear_v that_o for_o the_o great_a assurance_n of_o the_o salvation_n of_o he_o do_v not_o content_v himself_o to_o appoint_v one_o only_a ourseer_n of_o every_o church_n but_o many_o over_o every_o church_n and_o therefore_o see_v that_o the_o pastor_n be_v now_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n not_o able_a to_o oversee_v all_o himself_o nor_o his_o eye_n can_v not_o be_v in_o every_o place_n of_o the_o parish_n present_a to_o behold_v the_o behaviour_n of_o the_o people_n it_o follow_v that_o as_o well_o now_o as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n as_o well_o under_o a_o christian_n prince_n as_o under_o a_o tyrant_n the_o office_n of_o a_o ancient_a or_o senior_n be_v require_v onlesse_a you_o will_v say_v that_o god_n have_v less_o care_n of_o his_o church_n in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o under_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n than_o he_o have_v in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n and_o under_o a_o tyrant_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o say_v there_o may_v be_v senior_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n when_o there_o be_v no_o christian_n magistrate_n not_o that_o there_o aught_o of_o necessity_n to_o be_v god_n have_v provide_v the_o civil_a magistrate_n and_o other_o gonernour_n to_o punish_v and_o to_o correct_v vice_n and_o other_o disorder_n in_o the_o church_n who_o have_v his_o officer_n and_o deputy_n in_o every_o place_n for_o that_o purpose_n neither_o may_v the_o pastor_n or_o any_o other_o to_o who_o that_o charge_n be_v not_o commit_v by_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n usurp_v that_o office_n unto_o themselves_o wherefore_o that_o cause_n by_o you_o allege_v be_v no_o cause_n at_o all_o why_o there_o shall_v be_v any_o such_o senior_n where_o there_o be_v christian_n magistrate_n neither_o be_v that_o kind_n of_o government_n any_o part_n of_o the_o pastor_n charge_n the_o pastor_n if_o he_o be_v a_o meet_a man_n be_v able_a to_o o_o all_o that_o that_o be_v require_v of_o a_o pastor_n else_o may_v it_o be_v say_v which_o you_o before_o deny_v that_o god_n appoint_v office_n &_o function_n and_o give_v not_o sufficient_a gift_n to_o execute_v &_o do_v they_o neither_o can_v it_o be_v say_v that_o god_n have_v esse_fw-la care_n of_o his_o church_n when_o he_o place_v civil_a and_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o the_o stead_n of_o senior_n than_o when_o he_o place_v senior_n and_o leave_v it_o destitute_a of_o christian_a mastrate_n for_o one_o of_o the_o most_o ingular_a benefit_n that_o god_n bestow_v on_o his_o church_n in_o this_o world_n be_v that_o he_o give_v unto_o it_o christian_n king_n &_o prince_n from_o who_o office_n and_o authority_n whosoever_o do_v detract_v and_o withdraw_v we_o any_o thing_n iniuri_v the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n and_o show_v himself_o unthankful_a for_o so_o great_a a_o benefit_n chap._n 2._o the._n 3._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 140._o sect._n 1_o in_o deed_n if_o so_o be_v the_o auncientes_n in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n &_o under_o a_o tyrant_n have_v meddle_v with_o any_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n or_o have_v supply_v the_o room_n of_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n in_o handle_v of_o any_o of_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v unto_o he_o than_o there_o have_v be_v some_o cause_n why_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n be_v i_o the_o church_n the_o office_n of_o the_o senior_n or_o at_o the_o least_o so_o much_o as_o he_o exercise_v of_o the_o office_n of_o a_o magistrate_n shall_v have_v cease_v but_o when_o as_o the_o ancient_a neither_o do_v nor_o by_o any_o manner_n may_v meddle_v with_o those_o thing_n which_o belong_v unto_o a_o magistrate_n no_o more_o under_o a_o tyrant_n than_o under_o a_o godly_a magistrate_n there_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o the_o magistrate_n enter_v into_o the_o church_n the_o elder_a shall_v be_v therefore_o thrust_v out_o scripture_n out_o where_o find_v you_o this_o in_o all_o the_o scripture_n for_o the_o elder_n office_n be_v to_o admonish_v several_o those_o that_o do_v amiss_o to_o comfort_v those_o which_o he_o see_v weak_a and_o shake_a and_o to_o have_v need_n of_o comfort_n to_o assist_v the_o pastor_n in_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n of_o reprehension_n sharp_a or_o mild_a as_o the_o fault_n require_v also_o to_o assist_v in_o the_o suspention_n from_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n until_o some_o trial_n be_v have_v of_o the_o repentance_n of_o that_o party_n which_o have_v confess_v himself_o to_o have_v offend_v or_o else_o if_o he_o remain_v stubborn_a to_o assist_v he_o in_o the_o excommunication_n these_o be_v those_o thing_n which_o the_o elder_a do_v which_o for_o so_o much_o as_o they_o may_v do_v as_o well_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n as_o under_o a_o tyrant_n as_o well_o in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n as_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n it_o follow_v that_o as_o touch_v the_o office_n of_o elder_n there_o be_v no_o distinction_n in_o the_o time_n of_o peace_n and_o persecution_n of_o a_o christian_n prince_n and_o of_o a_o tyrant_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o will_v glad_o know_v by_o what_o place_n of_o scripture_n you_o can_v i_o stifie_v this_o office_n that_o you_o matter_n the_o office_n ascri_fw-la ed_z to_z senior_n 〈◊〉_d the_o gistrate_n o_o his_o authoriti_n in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n here_o appoint_v unto_o senior_n in_o so_o weighty_a a_o matter_n in_o my_o judgement_n you_o shall_v have_v do_v well_o to_o have_v use_v some_o authority_n of_o scripture_n or_o other_o ancient_a writer_n the_o admonition_n say_v that_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n be_v to_o govern_v the_o church_n with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o minister_n to_o consult_v to_o admo_fw-la sh_n to_o correct_v &_o to_o order_v all_o thing_n appertain_a to_o the_o state_n of_o the_o congregation_n which_o if_o it_o be_v true_a i_o pray_v you_o what_o authority_n remain_v to_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a and_o church_n matter_n in_o d_o ede_fw-mi if_o you_o make_v such_o a_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o church_n &_o
the_o common_a wealth_n the_o ci_fw-fr ill_a magistrate_n &_o the_o ecclesiastical_a as_o you_o do_v throughout_o your_o whole_a book_n it_o be_v not_o mar_v ell_n though_o you_o think_v turk_n no_o more_o authoriti_n 〈◊〉_d ed_z to_o a_o i_fw-mi istian_a magistrate_n tha_z t_o the_o turk_n the_o office_n of_o senior_n to_o be_v perpetual_a for_o you_o give_v no_o more_o authority_n to_o a_o christian_a magistrate_n in_o ecclesiastical_a government_n than_o you_o will_v do_v to_o the_o turk_n if_o you_o be_v under_o he_o and_o therefore_o according_a to_o your_o platform_n the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n be_v all_o one_o under_o a_o christian_n magistrate_n and_o under_o the_o great_a turk_n but_o to_o l_o have_v the_o admonition_n what_o have_v you_o speak_v of_o the_o office_n of_o senior_n which_o be_v not_o either_o proper_a to_o the_o pastor_n or_o common_a to_o all_o christian_n or_o such_o as_o may_v be_v much_o better_o bring_v to_o pass_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n than_o by_o the_o ignorance_n simplicity_n and_o rudeness_n of_o the_o most_o of_o your_o senior_n but_o first_o let_v we_o hear_v more_o of_o your_o 〈◊〉_d before_o we_o come_v to_o utter_v the_o absurdity_n of_o your_o cause_n chap._n 2._o the._n 4._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 140._o in_o the_o midst_n but_o i_o will_v yet_o come_v near_o that_o without_o the_o which_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v be_v exercise_v be_v necessary_a and_o always_o to_o be_v keep_v in_o the_o church_n but_o the_o office_n of_o ancient_n &_o elder_n be_v such_o as_o without_o which_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v not_o be_v exercise_v therefore_o it_o follow_v that_o this_o office_n be_v necessary_a that_o the_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n can_v be_v exercise_v without_o this_o order_n of_o ancient_n it_o may_v appear_v for_o that_o he_o which_o have_v fault_v and_o amend_v not_o after_o he_o be_v admonish_v once_o pri_fw-la ate_o and_o then_o before_o one_o witness_n or_o two_o can_v further_o be_v proceed_v against_o 18._o math._n 18._o according_a to_o the_o commandment_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n onlesse_a there_o be_v in_o the_o church_n ancient_n d_o elder_n therefore_o this_o principal_a office_n of_o charity_n which_o tend_v to_o the_o amendment_n of_o he_o which_o have_v not_o profit_v by_o those_o two_o former_a admonition_n can_v not_o be_v exercise_v without_o they_o for_o it_o be_v command_v of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n that_o in_o such_o a_o case_n when_o a_o brother_n do_v not_o profit_n by_o these_o two_o warning_n it_o shall_v be_v tell_v the_o church_n now_o i_o will_v ask_v who_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o church_n here_o if_o he_o say_v by_o the_o church_n be_v mean_v all_o y_fw-mi e_z people_n than_o i_o will_v ask_v how_o a_o man_n can_v convenient_o complayn_v to_o all_o the_o whole_a congregation_n or_o how_o can_v the_o whole_a congregation_n convenient_o meet_v to_o decide_v of_o this_o matter_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o the_o people_n have_v a_o interest_n in_o the_o excommunication_n as_o shall_v be_v note_v hereafter_o but_o the_o matter_n be_v not_o so_o far_o come_v for_o he_o must_v first_o refuse_v to_o obey_v the_o admonition_n of_o the_o church_n or_o ever_o they_o can_v proceed_v so_o far_o well_o if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o people_n that_o be_v mean_v by_o the_o church_n who_o be_v it_o i_o hear_v m._n doctor_n say_v it_o be_v the_o pastor_n but_o if_o he_o will_v say_v so_o &_o speak_v so_o strange_o he_o must_v warrant_v it_o with_o some_o other_o place_n of_o scripture_n where_o the_o church_n be_v take_v for_o one_o which_o be_v as_o much_o to_o say_v as_o one_o man_n be_v many_o one_o member_n be_v a_o body_n one_o alone_o be_v a_o company_n and_o beside_o this_o strangeness_n of_o speech_n it_o be_v clean_o contrary_a to_o the_o meaning_n of_o our_o saviour_n christ_n and_o destroy_v the_o soveraintie_n of_o the_o medicine_n which_o our_o saviour_n christ_n prepare_v for_o such_o a_o fester_a sore_n as_o will_v neither_o be_v heal_v with_o priu_fw-fr te_fw-la admonition_n neither_o w_n to_o admonition_n before_o one_o or_o two_o witness_n for_o as_o y_z e_z fault_n grow_v so_o our_o saviour_n christ_n will_v have_v the_o number_n of_o those_o before_o who_o he_o shall_v be_v check_v &_o rebuke_v likewise_o grow_v therefore_o from_o a_o private_a admonition_n he_o rise_v unto_o the_o admonitian_n before_o two_o or_o three_o &_o from_o they_o to_o the_o church_n which_o if_o we_o shall_v say_v it_o be_v but_o one_o then_o to_o a_o dangerous_a wound_n shall_v be_v lay_v a_o easy_a plaster_n &_o therefore_o our_o saviour_n do_v not_o rise_v from_o two_o to_o one_o for_o that_o be_v not_o to_o rise_v but_o to_o fall_v nor_o to_o proceed_v but_o to_o go_v backward_o but_o to_o many_o see_v then_o that_o the_o church_n here_o be_v neither_o the_o whole_a congregation_n nor_o the_o pastor_n alone_o it_o follow_v that_o by_o 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that_o belearned_a know_fw-mi that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v partly_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o people_n that_o have_v to_o do_v in_o the_o election_n &_o other_o thing_n popular_a partly_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o pastor_n and_o ancient_n aristocratical_a that_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o the_o best_a i_o say_v they_o know_v that_o these_o governmente_n do_v easy_o decline_v into_o their_o contrary_n and_o by_o reason_n thereof_o both_o the_o government_n of_o those_o which_o be_v most_o virtuous_a may_v easy_o be_v change_v into_o the_o government_n of_o few_o of_o the_o rich_a or_o of_o great_a power_n and_o the_o popular_a estate_n may_v easy_o pass_v to_o a_o confuse_a tumult_n now_o this_o incommoditie_n be_v they_o more_o subject_a unto_o under_o a_o tyrant_n than_o under_o a_o godly_a prince_n for_o they_o have_v no_o civil_a magistrate_n which_o may_v correct_v and_o reform_v those_o declining_n when_o they_o happen_v 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you_o yourself_o confess_v that_o the_o pastor_n be_v the_o chief_a of_o the_o signiory_n which_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v if_o the_o state_n be_v either_o popular_a or_o aristocratical_a of_o the_o universal_a church_n only_a christ_n be_v the_o head_n and_o chief_a and_o therefore_o the_o state_n of_o it_o be_v monarchical_a but_o of_o the_o state_n and_o kind_a of_o government_n of_o 8._o tract_n 8._o the_o church_n in_o every_o kingdom_n or_o province_n i_o have_v particular_o and_o at_o large_a speak_v in_o the_o treatise_n of_o archbishop_n i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o will_v the_o reader_n once_o again_o to_o mark_v how_o you_o bend_v your_o force_n against_o a_o monarchy_n for_o your_o principle_n be_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n monarchy_n c._n t._n bend_v his_o force_n against_o a_o monarchy_n must_v be_v frame_v according_a to_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o it_o may_v not_o be_v a_o kingdom_n but_o rather_o a_o popular_a 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their_o ministry_n and_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o word_n of_o god_n do_v necessary_o put_v upon_o they_o lest_o the_o strength_n of_o their_o mind_n and_o of_o their_o body_n be_v distract_v unto_o many_o thing_n they_o shall_v be_v the_o less_o able_a to_o accomplish_v their_o ministry_n unto_o the_o full_a which_o may_v also_o partly_o appear_v by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v allege_v out_o of_o cyprian_a which_o will_v not_o permit_v they_o so_o much_o as_o to_o be_v executor_n of_o a_o testament_n and_o in_o the._n 80._o canon_n of_o those_o which_o be_v ascribe_v unto_o the_o apostle_n it_o be_v enjoin_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o entangle_v themselves_o with_o worldly_a office_n but_o attend_v upon_o their_o ecclesiastical_a affair_n io._n whitgifte_n if_o you_o compare_v the_o state_n of_o the_o church_n before_o the_o time_n of_o christian_a king_n with_o the_o state_n of_o it_o under_o christian_a king_n you_o make_v a_o unequal_a comparison_n for_o how_o can_v 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in_o my_o answer_n to_o the_o admonition_n what_o worldly_a affair_n a_o minister_n of_o the_o word_n may_v not_o entangle_v himself_o with_o chap._n second_o the._n 8._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 168._o sect._n ult._n further_o in_o the_o *_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n it_o be_v decree_v that_o none_o of_o the_o clerk_n &_o clergy_n 3._o tom._n 1._o can_v 3._o as_o it_o term_v they_o shall_v receyve_v any_o charge_n of_o those_o which_o be_v under_o age_n unless_o they_o be_v such_o as_o the_o law_n do_v necessary_o cast_v upon_o he_o which_o it_o call_v inexcusable_a charge_n mean_v by_o all_o likelihood_n the_o wardship_n of_o his_o brother_n child_n or_o some_o such_o thing_n where_o be_v also_o declare_v the_o cause_n of_o that_o decree_n to_o have_v be_v for_o that_o there_o be_v certain_a minister_n which_o be_v steward_n to_o noble_a man_n and_o 〈◊〉_d the._n 7._o canon_n of_o the_o same_o council_n it_o be_v decree_v that_o none_o of_o the_o clergy_n shall_v either_o go_v 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dryven_v to_o take_v the_o tuition_n and_o care_n of_o such_o as_o be_v under_o age_n or_o those_o to_o who_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o city_n have_v commit_v the_o government_n of_o ecclesiastical_a thing_n and_o of_o orphan_n and_o widow_n which_o be_v without_o succour_n or_o of_o such_o person_n which_o need_v the_o help_n of_o the_o church_n for_o the_o fear_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n this_o canon_n contain_v nothing_o contrary_a to_o my_o assertion_n the_o word_n of_o the_o canon_n be_v plain_a i_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o use_v any_o exposition_n of_o it_o only_o i_o will_v have_v the_o reader_n mark_v the_o weight_n of_o your_o argument_n which_o be_v this_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n say_v that_o clerk_n may_v not_o for_o filthy_a lucre_n sake_n hire_v other_o man_n possession_n or_o take_v upon_o they_o for_o covetousness_n sake_n the_o government_n of_o other_o man_n possession_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o there_o may_v be_v no_o civil_a office_n commit_v unto_o they_o i_o will_v ask_v no_o better_a commentary_n to_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o apostle_n before_o allege_a or_o any_o other_o such_o like_a than_o this_o very_a canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o chalcedon_n to_o what_o purpose_n do_v you_o allege_v the._n 7._o canon_n of_o that_o council_n do_v you_o ever_o hear_v i_o say_v that_o i_o will_v have_v a_o minister_n to_o be_v a_o soldier_n or_o a_o captain_n in_o war_n or_o enjoy_v any_o such_o secular_a honour_n or_o office_n wherefore_o you_o lack_v probation_n when_o you_o be_v constrain_v to_o use_v this_o ¶_o the_o reason_n use_v in_o the_o answer_v justify_v chap._n 3._o the._n 1._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o lin._n 4._o &_o sect._n 1._o 2._o now_o i_o come_v to_o m._n doctor_n argument_n which_o he_o bring_v to_o establish_v this_o disorder_n and_o first_o he_o say_v minister_n of_o the_o word_n may_v not_o occupy_v themselves_o in_o worldly_a business_n as_o to_o be_v merchant_n husbandman_n craft_n man_n and_o such_o like_a 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person_n your_o jest_a taunt_n i_o leave_v to_o those_o that_o profess_v that_o cunning_a chap._n 3._o the._n 2._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n 2._o for_o whereas_o he_o say_v it_o be_v a_o help_n and_o maintain_v religion_n in_o deed_n that_o be_v the_o reason_n of_o the_o 11._o lib._n 4._o cap._n 11._o papist_n which_o m._n caluin_n confute_v in_o his_o institution_n and_o although_o it_o be_v good_a and_o necessary_a to_o punish_v vice_n and_o iniquity_n by_o corporal_a punishment_n and_o by_o civil_a correction_n yet_o it_o do_v no_o more_o follow_v that_o that_o shall_v be_v do_v by_o the_o minister_n than_o it_o follow_v that_o for_o that_o preach_n and_o minister_a the_o sacrament_n and_o excommunication_n be_v good_a and_o necessary_a therefore_o the_o same_o be_v fit_v to_o be_v execute_v
whereunto_o he_o be_v call_v of_o god_n by_o his_o prince_n and_o by_o the_o law_n of_o that_o realm_n wherein_o he_o be_v a_o subject_n it_o be_v true_a that_o a_o ecclesiastical_a minister_n do_v much_o differ_v from_o a_o civil_a magistrate_n jurisdiction_n minister_n may_v execute_v some_o kind_n of_o civil_a jurisdiction_n touch_v his_o ministry_n and_o spiritual_a call_n yet_o be_v he_o not_o so_o distincte_n that_o he_o may_v exercise_v no_o such_o civil_a office_n wherein_o he_o may_v do_v good_a and_o which_o be_v a_o help_n to_o his_o ecclesiastical_a function_n as_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n may_v in_o some_o thing_n exercise_v jurisdiction_n ecclesiastical_a and_o meddle_v in_o matter_n of_o the_o church_n so_o may_v the_o ecclesiastical_a person_n in_o some_o cause_n use_v civil_a jurisdiction_n and_o deal_v in_o matter_n of_o the_o common_a wealth_n if_o it_o shall_v be_v think_v expedient_a or_o necessary_a by_o the_o chief_a magistrate_n caluine_n caluine_n m._n 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