Selected quad for the lemma: christian_n
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A70556
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A briefe or generall reply, unto Mr. Knuttons answers unto the VII. questions, about the controversie betwen the Church of England, and the separatist and anabaptist briefly discussed. By John Mabbatt.
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Mabbatt, John.
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Wing M112; ESTC R223722
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