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A05223 Dutifull and respective considerations vpon foure seuerall heads of proofe and triall in matters of religion Proposed by the high and mighty prince, Iames King of Great Britayne, France, and Ireland &c. in his late booke of premonition to all christian princes, for clearing his royall person from the imputation of heresy. By a late minister & preacher in England.; Dutifull and respective considerations upon foure severall heads of proofe and triall in matters of religion. Leech, Humphrey, 1571-1629.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. aut 1609 (1609) STC 15362.5; ESTC S100271 179,103 260

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for_o that_o it_o cast_v a_o man_n out_o of_o the_o say_a church_n out_o of_o which_o be_v no_o salvation_n what_o be_v to_o be_v infer_v where_o so_o many_o condenned_a assertion_n be_v hold_v against_o the_o know_a church_n &_o authority_n thereof_o 75._o to_o the_o second_o also_o to_o wit_n whether_o lutheran_n and_o sacramentary_n who_o make_v the_o first_o division_n of_o protestant_n whilst_o luther_n himself_o be_v yet_o alive_a be_v true_o and_o proper_o heretic_n the_o one_o to_o the_o other_o and_o consequent_o that_o the_o salvation_n of_o one_o be_v the_o damnation_n of_o the_o other_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o any_o sectary_n can_v be_v save_v this_o be_v with_o as_o great_a facility_n prove_v as_o the_o former_a and_o that_o first_o by_o the_o testimony_n of_o martin_n luther_n himself_o the_o original_a author_n of_o all_o these_o late_a sect_n and_o then_o by_o the_o mutual_a and_o concur_v consent_n of_o all_o the_o lutheran_n doctor_n pastor_n and_o prelate_n that_o succeed_v he_o 76._o first_o i_o say_v it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o luther_n himself_o ever_o repute_v the_o sacramentary_n that_o comprehend_v both_o zwinglians_n and_o caluinist_n for_o dammnable_a and_o intolerable_a heretic_n let_v his_o own_o testification_n often_o reiterated_a and_o serious_o aggravate_v in_o diverse_a of_o his_o book_n be_v a_o sufficient_a confirmation_n of_o this_o his_o first_o serious_a censure_n denounce_v against_o they_o all_o be_v this_o haereticos_fw-la seriò_fw-la censemus_fw-la &_o alienos_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la dei_fw-la zuinglianos_fw-la sacramentarios_fw-la omnes_fw-la qui_fw-la negant_fw-la christi_fw-la lovaniens_fw-la corpus_fw-la &_o sanguinem_fw-la ore_fw-la carnali_fw-la sumi_fw-la in_o venerabili_fw-la eucharistia_n we_o do_v serious_o censure_v for_o heretic_n and_o alien_n from_o the_o church_n of_o god_n the_o zwinglians_n and_o all_o other_o sacramentary_n who_o do_v deny_v that_o christ_n sacred_a body_n and_o heretic_n 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