in the matter of the real presence after Consecration What Luther and Calvin have said unto you as about your Worship Doctrine and Practice hath been made good by themselves while they were living and in the body and what they said did not onely inform the minds of many of the Roman Catholicks but reform'd them too which were not of the silliest amongst you not onely one but thousands did see your error and deceit though they in some particulars did but differ from you But now that is manifest which denieth your Foundation in the very ground And what I have said as about the real presence of Christ's Body being in the Bread and Wine after consecration if thou dare put it and endeavour the trial thereof according as I have in reasonableness propounded unto thee it wil convince many of the Roman Catholicks of their error or else many of the Protestants of their error and so if thou dar'st adventure it make no more boasts but let it come to trial as before is propounded unto the Church of Rome if she or any of her Agents dare admit of it 3. The third Argument which he promiseth If it can be proved from the Scripture which he calls God's written Word that the Sabbath-day is commanded by God to be kept on Sunday and that little Children are to be baptized What others have said as to these two partibulars who were but departed a little way from you in diverse things as to their judgments I shal not stand to vindicate because the Church was rather but a coming out of the Wilderness rather then come already into her first purity but I am one of those amongst many thousands in Europe who denyes the Church of Rome as to be the Bride the Lamb's wife and yet I shall not vindicate either the one nor the other but deny both as amongst Christians viz. 〈◊〉 to keep the Jewish Sabbath upon Sunday as the Author calls it and Sprinkling of little Children is like the other an invention in the Apostacy never that we read of commanded commended or practised in the Apostles dayes as such The first day of the week the Apostles met together and worshipped God not by virtue of the Jewes commandment but in the power of God and you onely have them both and keep them both by Tradition and Custom without Commandment and so are out of the power of God and out of the Saints life 4thly The Fourth Argument Can the Sectaries with reason and ground sufficient condemn all Catholicks that were so many Ages before Luther and Calvin for being no better then Heathens and convince me that adhering to you I shall be more secure in my salvation then in joining to them that have time out of mind been of the onely saving Religion Ans. The Sectaries have not gone about to condemn every individual man before Luther and Calvin for no better than Heathens we believe some were and we believe many were as bad if not worse they that walk in the practice of the Heathen and bring forth fruit but not unto God are in the Heathens Nature but the generallity of the Church of Rome have for these many hundred years brought forth no better fruit than the Heathen and therefore are in the nature of the Heathen for like as the Heathen persecuted the Christians in former dayes even so hath the Church of Rome persecuted the true Christians in their day and in this are no better than Heathens instance the bloodshed murther cruel deaths you have put many unto since you have had the Name of a Church and therefore are no better than Heathens in nature And for Antiquity it proveth nothing without Verity and there can be no assurance in your Church seeing that it stands upon tradition and hear-say and outward performances and bodily exercises that profiteth little but some whom you call Sectaries have more assurance for it is the Spirit of God that gives it and as there is obedience yeilded unto the Lord that Spirit he giveth them assurance and them that are born of it do overcome the world and his Spirit beareth witnesse to their spirits that they have overcome by which they cry Abba Father And this Spirit of truth that leadeth into all truth bringeth more assurance unto them that are led by it and worship it in than can be had in all your outward Formalities Ceremonies and Traditions 5. Argu. Can you make evident at least that in your Flock and Luther and Calvin their Guides there is more holiness and virtue than can be found among the Catholicks and that you go the narrow way that leads to life I answer Yes I am one among many thousands who are not of the Church of Rome yet am of Christ's Flock which he hath cleansed by his blood and revealed his virtue in and his holy life and it 's made manifest that they are in the narrow way more than the Church of Rome they are in the way that leads to life and abide in Christ's Doctrine We love them that hate us we bless them that curse us we pray for them that persecute us but so doth not the Church of Rome but kill them and persecute them that oppose her We say Without righteousness and holiness be revealed and wrought in our hearts we can bring forth no fruit unto God neither can be members of the true Church but if any conform unto the practice of your Church in outward things he is counted a good Member of your Church though righteousnesse and holiness self-denial humility and love be wanting Therefore we are the Church in which there is more holiness virtue and life enjoyed than in the Roman Church 6. Can you shew us any miracles that ever were wrought in testimony of your Religion or that the Catholicks Miracles are wrought by Belzebub And now thou hast askt us a resolution of the doubts and let all that are illuminated judge how we are deluded It 's an adulterous generation that seeks a sign and what Christ wrought was reckoned as no miracles by them that are in the unbelief yet these signs have accompanied the Gospel which is the power of God the blind have been restored to sight and the dead have been raised and the deaf have heard and the lame have been made whole and this hath been witnessed by many and we have a cloud of witnesses which your Church know not of and by the effectual working of God's power these things have been done which doth give testimony and confirm our Religion And for your Miracles the most that ever I heard of hath been done by Pictures and Images as you have testified which are but fabulous stories And now let them who are lightned with the true Light of Christ judge who are in the delusion and now let all judge whether these be not satisfactory Resolutions unto the aforesaid Doubts or Questions which may convince them that have erred from Christ the power of God
narrow way that leads to life Again Because the Church of Rome keeps Sunday instead of Saturday by Tradition therefore she is the Church of Christ. To the first If that Church is not to be heard neither her censures regarded whose Authors and Teachers have been Cozeners and Impostors then the church of Rome is not to be heard nor her censures regarded because the chief Authors have been Cozeners Cheaters and Impostors who have been out of the power of God and have taught for Doctrine the traditions of men as Purgatory prayer for the dead onely to cozen and cheat by to fill the Bags and Coffers of the Popish Clergy which Doctrine is contrary unto the Doctrine of Christ and the Apostolick Church therefore the Church of Rome is not to be heard 2. That the Church of Rome hath the marks of the true Church and no other as Antiquity Holiness of life Miracles and Universality This is false there were Churches before Rome that had these marks and there hath been since and are now more then the Church of Rome Antiquity some of them called Sectaries will allow you a thousand years to be called a Church and yet prove you Apostates both in Doctrine and Practice Your Miracles are but cheats deceits and lying stories if your own Authors be searched you confess most of your Miracles are wrought by your Images works of your own hands 2. Antiquity without Truth proveth nothing and holiness of life if your Church be holy which is prophane tolerating as I said before Whoredoms Stage-Playes vain sports and pastimes which draw people from the fear of God and many foolish sopperies which I shall not now mention so that there are them that have dissented from you which are more ancient in the Faith more holy in life and conversation more agreeable in doctrine and practice to the true primitive Church then you are And as for Miracles which are wrought by the true power and finger of God there hath been and are more amongst them called Sectaries than in the Church of Rome The blind have received their sight the Lepers have been cleansed the Lame have been made to walk and the deaf have heard and the dumb have spoken the dead have been raised and many that have been bound by Satan fourty yeares are loosed and there are thousands that are Witnesses of it and can testifie the truth thereof even in this time and in this year in Scotland England Ireland Germany and America 1662. So there is a true Church which hath the Marks of the true Church of Christ more than the Church of Rome therefore the Roman Church is not the alone true Church 3. To the third argument That the Church of Rome keeps Gods commandments and walks in the narrow way of Christ's counsel therefore she is to be heard How she keepeth the commandments of God is known if he mean the ten commandments Thou shalt not make to thy self any graven Image nor the likeness of any thing that is in Heaven or Earth neither bow down nor worship them Now you make Images of things in Heaven as of God and Christ and the Holy Ghost and of Mary and as for things in Earth you have Images of all sorts witnesse your Masse-Houses called Churches your Cloisters Fryaries and Covents so that every place is filled ful worship unto them is taught by you for Doctrine contrary to God's Doctrine your distinction of Latria Doulia wil not serve for it 's meer deceit he that honors an Image and bows down before it in his heart whether you may judg it represents this or that is an absolute Idolater knoweth not the spirit which Christ said he would send to the true Church which should bring all things to their remembrance both what he did and said and the Saints life and example to remembrance without your Pictures And how you are in the narrow way is known to many thousands that you do not walk in it at all neither take up the crosse of Christ which is to crucifie the lusts affections and desires of the flesh but taketh up outward crosses and bears them on your necks or pin them on your sleeves or hang them about your necks and all because Christ was crucified on the cross And here you are honorers of Pilate and the Jews who crucified Christ upon the crosse as a blasphemer rather then honorers of Christ and the strait and narrow way you are ignorant of and Christ's sufferings you are strangers to What! your Popes are as Emperors your Cardinals as Lawgivers your Ecclesiastical Officers as Lords of great possessions in the Earth except some begging Fryars which you have prest into a voluntary humility without necessity And how do you love your Enemies How many Indians have you destroyed and killed as dogs and how many that have professed the Name of Christ have you burned and destroyed as though they had been Wood and onely fewel for the fire And how can you say your Pater Noster about which you make so much ado and say Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us if the Heathen have trespassed against you if them you call Sectaries have trespassed against your Church how do you forgive them and how do you fulfil the Law of Christ and keep his Counsel seeing that you are out of his Doctrine away with such deceit and hypocrisie God hath found it out and is judging it by his Saints who rejoice in Christ Jesus and have no confidence in the flesh nor in fleshly Traditions and Imaginations but lives in the power of God and walks in the Spirit and therefore because you walk contrary to the Command of God and Christ's Counsel and are out of the narrow way that leads to life your Church is neither to be heard minded nor heeded The fourth Argument that the Church of Rome is the true Church because they keep their Sabbath of the Sunday by Tradition and not upon the Saturday as the Jewes did and therefore the Church of Rome is to be heard because they have Tradition solid Reason on their side Thy speech bewraies thee which bespeaks thee rather a Heathen then a Christian for the Heathens had a day that they celebrated to an Idol made like the Sun called Sunday and another day which they celebrated to an Idol called Saturnus called Saturday and in this your Church is not to be heard who is out of the form of sound words but the Seventh day was the Jews-Sabbath which none that professes Christianity ought to keep seeing that Christ put an end to the shadows and the Saints Sabbath is a stranger to the Church of Rome he that hath overcome the World and the Divel onely knows God's rest and the true Sabbath of which the Jewes was a figure and the Sundays thou calls it is no more a Sabbath reckoned by the Lord of Life then that which thou calls Saturday for every day is
divers others as about your Lent your fasts feasts and invented holy-dayes which the true Church of Christ did not allow of but you have brought those things in as Apostolical and excommunicated all the rest that would not bow unto you As for example about the Feast of Easter the time when it should be celebrated though Victor the Bishop of Rome excommunicated all the Eastern Churches because they did not accord with Rome Euseb Lib. 5. cap. 23. At which Iraeneus Bishop of Lyons in France sharply reproved him ibid. cap. 23 So in many more things which I shall not now stand neither to trouble my self nor the Reader which the church of Rome hath departed in her practice from the primitive Church as you may see farther in a Book entituled The Glory of the true church discovered Published by F. H. And whereas the Author desires to be satisfied by what General Councils she was ever condemned or which of the Fathers wrote against her or 3dly By what Authority she was otherwise approved Ans. Because the Author is so confident in his assertions as though they were unanswerable I return this short answer which if I hear any more from the Author may be amplified For instance In the year 287. there was a Council of Bishops called at Sinvisâ—â— where the Pope was condemned which your Church hath taught could not err for sacrificing to Idols At a Council held at Carthage decreed That Clergy men should not meddle with temporal affairs At a Council held at Valentia in France a Decree was made that Priests should not marry and these were called Christians and some of Rome's Visible Universal Church And this was again reproved and condemned in the first Council held at Tolledo in Spain they decreed that Priests should marry And now Rome look to thy unity Again at a Council held at Caesar Augusta accursed all them that eat not the Sacrament in the Church but the church of Rome hath decreed that it may be kept and ready to carry abroad to sick people and upon other occasions out of the Church At a general Council at Constantinople decreed That Mary shall be called the Mother of God as though God were generated by natural generation which is Blasphemy The Council of Armenium decreed for the Armenians That Christ was not God The Council of Chalcedon which was one of the four Councils that Pope Gregory compared to the four Gospels and that their Decrees were sure and certain as the Scripture yet Pope Leo did not stick to condemn it and all of them as unadvised viz. the whole Council So Councils have erred as is evident and that which some have decreed for Apostolick Doctrine since the Apostles dayes other Councils have condemned as Heresie though called Christians as well as the Church of Rome and yet they have condemned that which some Councils did allow So the Pope hath erred the Councils have erred as is manifest in what I have said that I shall not trouble my Reader in large things which I could and might do upon another occasion if I hear any more from the Church of Rome 2. By what Authority she viz. the church of Rome is reproved In short Leo the fourth Bishop of Rome made void the the acts of Adrian Bishop of Rome Stephanus made void and abrogated the Decrees of Formesus and Sabian Christ's Vicars so called commanded that Pope Gregory another Vicar so called his Writings and Decrees should be burned And all these before-mentioned did say and the Church of Rome holds it as such that they were Peter's Successors So here one Father or Head of the church as they reckon the Bishop of Rome hath confounded another 3. The Nicene council determined That Images were not onely to be placed in the churches but also worshipped and the then Pope said that Images were lay-mens Calenders The Latterane council under Julius did repeal the Decrees of the Pissan council The Bazil council decreed that a council was above the Pope but the Latteran council decreed that the Pope was above the council that he that should think otherwise should be counted a Heretick Yet the Bazil council aforesaid decreed that they that judged that a council was not above the Pope were Hereticks And yet the Church of Rome layes claim to visibility and universality over all the World and yet one as distinct from another as black is to white and is as unsuitable as Snow is in Summer or Rain in Harvest One word more and I have done Boniface the eighth a great Father of the Church of Rome and a Pope That no man in the World can be saved unless he be subject to the Roman Church like this Author And Pope Paschal thus said That no Council could make Laws for the Church of Rome And so much of General Councils and of the confusion of the Church of Rome a few words more of Synods and I have done 1. Bernardus saith the Church of Rome was polluted with many Superstitions that the Bishops were biters of the Sheep rather than true Shepherds Sometimes saith he I have admired that there should be a Traytor among the twelve Disciples but now I much more wonder that among so great a company of Bishops and Prelates one upright Disciple cannot be found Apop Chr. Lib. 13 p. 260. Gregorius Theologus who lived about three hundred years after Christ did determine never to come more at Councils or Synods Because saith he there comes more evil than good out of them for the contention and ambitiousnesse of the Bishops is above measure said he Anno 300. D. Paraeus said Often hath the Truth suffered wrong in Synods because all that were assembled agreed in one error so that Truth came to be passed by with silence Iren. pag. 57. Again Gregorius Nazianzius used to say That he never had seen any good end of any Council or Synod Vide Inst. Clav. 4. Lib. 9. cap. 11. And some Synods have said That remedy was not to be expected from the Clergy who were the cause of the Disease Anno 1616. So the Author saith Whose company did the Church of Rome leave And from whom did she go forth And where was the Church that she did forsake that she should be counted Heretical and Schismatical I say She left the company and society of the Primitive Church in Christ's and the Apostles days and she went forth from the rest of the Churches that were planted as I instanced The Church of Rome in the year 193 did excommunicate all the Eastern Churches And where was the true Church that she did forsake saith the Author Not onely one I say but many to wit The Doctrine that the Apostles had laid down and preach'd at Antioch at Philippi at Corinth at Ephesus and the rest of the Churches of Asia And so the Church of Rome is proved to be an Apostate in the Apostacy in Heresie in Schism so that there is an absolute defection from the Life and Power of God which was manifested in the Apostles dayes and therefore the church of Rome is not the true Church What I have said as to the Doctrines and Grounds which have been laid down by the Author I shall refer it and the answer unto Gods Witnesse in every man's Conscience and if I hear any more of the Author his great Boasts or ambitious challenges which may reach to all that do dissent from the Church of Rome as to be Hereticks I shall engage in the strength of the Lord to vindicate the Truth however opposed and shall further if God permit be ready to give a more large and full answer unto the Doctrines and Practices and Worship of the Church of Rome and prove them to be contrary to the Scriptures and the Apostolick Doctrine and the Faith that was once delivered unto the Saints So in what I have said I hope may convince the Authour of his vain assertions and them that are enclined towards Babylon it may put a stop to that which would too readily close with every thing which goes under the name of ANTIQUITIE But in what I have said upon the whole matter I hope will be sufficient unto all who read with a single Eye without prejudice and unto such I say The Lord give them an Understanding that they may see and discern the way which leadeth to Life and Felicity from that which leadeth to the Chambers of Death and the pathes that take hold on destruction FINIS
they be ruled that may not read them without a Licence or a Toleration from the Superior If it be lawful to read with Toleration it 's lawful to read without Toleration for the toleration of men neither addeth to nor diminisheth from any spiritual exercise and Timothy read the Scriptures of a youth and who gave him his Toleration And Apollos was a mighty man and a knowing man in the Scriptures from whence had he his License 3. Because thou judgest according to the judgement of this present evil world that they are onely fit to read the Scripture and give interpretations upon it who are naturally learned and have the wisdom of this world I say Nay the world by wisdom knew not God neither know him now and them that had natural learning rejected the Foundation them that had the Hebrew Language set Christ at nought they that had the Greek tongue withstood Paul and called him a babler them that had the Latine Tongue the Tongue of the Whore your Mother persecuted the Christians in the first three hundred years after Christ as your own Histories do relate So according to all these who had onely the knowledg in the natural Languages they did not understand the things of God and it was the wise builders which builded by art skill in the Earthly Wisdom that rejected the true Foundation and Corner-stone but on the contrary we say according to the Apostolick Doctrine that the Scriptures may be read and ought to be read for they are profitable for instruction and correction and information to make the man of God perfect and thorowly furnisht to every good work through faith in Christ Jesus And I would have the Author know that we do not look upon Cardinals Fryers Monks and Bishops to be the alone men of God so that they alone have the sole power to tolerate the reading of Scriptures for he is a man of God who is born of the spirit which sanctifieth and leadeth into the clear pathes of Equity and Righteousness who walks not after the flesh neither fulfils the lusts thereof and such there are and have been which have been unlearned in natural Tongues but this is the way to keep your Church in reputation to believe as you believe and every man to put out his own eyes and live by another's sight and hang his faith upon another's shoulders this is not like Apostolick Doctrine for the Apostle said Let every one be perswaded in his own mind not by other mens minds and he that believeth hath the witness in himself and hath it not to seek among the litteral Rabbies who darken Counsel through words and it is not for want of natural learning that one understandeth the Scriptures this way and another that way but because they want the understanding of that Spirit which gave forth the Scriptures which Spirit universally is given to all men and women a measure of it to lead into truth and through which the deep things of God are revealed And it 's not your Traditions Inventions natural Learning Schools Colledges Fryeries and Covents in which the Spirit of God is onely limited but every one that seeks finds whether learned or unlearned for of a truth God is no respector of persons And so the mind of Christ is manifest unto them that believe and the one Spirit into which the Saints were baptized is that which opens the Scriptures truly as they are and discerneth the times and the seasons and fulfilleth it in the hearts of them that believe and manifests the state unto which they were spoken And if the Scriptures be so hard to be understood by reason of the hard sayings or because of the Translations what have you been doing these fourteen hundred years with all your learning with all your Councils Popes Bishops and Clergy that you have not translated them aright or so plain that they may be understood by all that reads But then your Doctrine Worship and Practice would be soon manifest not to be Apostolical nor consonant and agreeing to the practice of the true Church of Christ. And now I come to the effectual Arguments and pregnant wayes which the Author tells of which will work upon the Sectaries to make them return to the Catholick Church which he saith they have groundlesly forsaken and now I shall come to try his arguments and search the force of them which he layeth down as the most efficacious way to convince all Sectaries as he is pleased to stile them to come to the Church of Rome but the hope of this man will be like a Spider's Web for unto all whose Eyes God hath illuminated in any measure will come to see the weakness of this Philosophy and vain deceit which he hath laid down as a chief instrument to convince all that the Roman Church is the true Church and that salvation is onely concluded in her 1. The first argument he takes from Matth. 18. 17. Christ sends us to the Church saith he if any neglect to hear her they must be counted as Heathens and Publicans From hence this is the Argument That that Church is to be heard in which there is most assurance to be had that one is in the way to salvation but in the Roman Church there is most assurance therefore the Roman Church is to be heard Ans. The Minor is false and also the Conclusion That Church which hath the foundation of its assurance without it is not the true Church of Christ neither is to be heard but the Roman Church hath onely their assurance of salvation without them therefore are not to be heard it is manifest their assurance stands onely in outward things as Antiquity and Visibility which are not the alone Marks of the true Church Cain was ancient enough and there were them that were in Cain's way before Rome was so highly elevated and that for Universality and Visibility there is no assurance in that for all the World hath wondered after the Beast and the Whore hath sitten upon Nations Kindreds and People and so the first argument is denied and proved to be false I shall lay down another 1. That Church which hath always been so visible and Universal since the Apostles dayes as hath had its seat over Nations Kindreds and Tongues is not the true Church of Christ but the Harlot but the Church of Rome hath been universal over Nations Kindreds Tongues and People therefore the Church of Rome is the Harlot and not the true Church of Christ. But I shall not traduce thee in thy vain deceit but return thy arguments upon thy self which thon chargest upon others 1. As first That Church is not to be heard whose Authors and Doctors are Cozeners and Impostors 2. But all are Cozeners and Impostors but the Church of Rome Again That the Church of Rome hath the Marks of the true Church and no other as Antiquity Miracles holiness of life Universality Again That the Church of Rome takes the
kept holy to the Lord by him that witnesses the work of Redemption and this is according to the Apostolick Doctrine and if because of example the Christians whom you are pleased to stile Sectaries do observe the first day of the week in the Power of God for his Worship then they are as much if not more to be heard than you and have as much solid reason on their side as you and thou must not think to carry the matter on with such frivolous arguments as this to advance Mysterie Babylon for this is a a knowing age blessed be the Lord wherein the wisdom of God is revealed and that which comprehendeth all shadows types dayes times years meats drinks washings and other figures they are all seen over and he is come and manifest which is Head of the true Church and not the Pope who was is and is to come life it self truth it self power strength and everlasting satisfaction to thousands and ten thousands who have believed and to a numberless number which are yet to be gathered into God's sheep-â—old and into the narrow way of Christ which will deny and doth deny upon good grounds and infallible Testimony from the Eternal Spirit that the Church of Rome is either in whole or in part any part of the true Church of Christ. And seeing this valiant Champion hath made so fair a proffer that all their Priests Jesuits and Catholicks over all the world will turn to the Sectaries way as he calls them if they can but get a clear and satisfactory resolution to the following doubts Answ. I am one which do acknowledge my self to be reckoned by him as a Sectarian yet as a Sectarian is reckoned by the true Church of God in the Primitive time in the Apostles and Christ's dayes I do not reckon my self as such and that I am a Minister of the Everlasting Gospel I dare not deny seeing a necessity is laid upon me to acknowledge the same yet herein I do not glory but in him who hath called me for the work sake and I know the Teaching of Christ Jesus and his Doctrine and no other thing this many years have I published but that which I received of the Lord and from him by his Spirit which is according to the true Faith and Godliness which was in the Primitive Church before ever Rome did lay claim to be the onely true Catholick Church excluding all others but her self to be in the way that leads to salvation I which am as one amongst many thousands which God hath manifested his mind unto shal answer in clearness and according to Apostolick Doctrine and the manifestation of his Spirit but when I have so done I am afraid this Champion with the rest of the Priests and Jesuits and the rest of the Catholicks over the World wil hardly own his Challenge or consess that Doubts are answered yet however if it satisfie but one of a thousand I have my reward and shal put it to tryal The first thing the Author who it seems knows the mind of the Church of Rome in all things both as to Doctrine and Practice vvhich they do allovv of and the contrary they vvil deny he knovvs to the full or else he vvould never sure have made such a bold challenge The first thing that they vvould be resolved in is Whether any can clearly shew that any Teachers Doctors or Ministers are sent of the Almighty God to preach and reform the Roman Catholick Church and that they are not some who say the Lord saith when the Lord hath not spoken unto them neither sent them Ezek 13. 2. Ans. What the Roman Church and their Members will take for a satisfactory resolution as to themselves I somewhat question and do doubt the resolving of the most but however by the same commandment that the Apostles did evidence their commission that they were sent to reform the Church of the Jews and also them that had made defection from the Faith amongst the Gentiles this may be shown 1. The Apostles of Christ Jesus did declare their commission which they had received from Christ and for other proof they sought none amongst them that were auditors or hearers but the witness and testimony of God unto which they desired to be approved in the sight of God 2. They shewed the Jews that they held the types and the figures but did not receive or believe him who was the substance in whom they all ended they were sent to bear testimony to the true Light that lighteth every one that cometh into the World and to preach down dayes times months years fasts feasts sabbaths circumcision temples and offerings the priesthood and the sacrifice which were but to continue until th time of reformation and the bringing in of a better hope by which they drew nigh unto God and had an accesse unto him and they declared their Commission against a voluntary humility and worshipping of Angels all which things the Church of Rome do stick in and vindicate for Apostolick Doctrine and many more things which the Church of Rome is run into contrary to the true Church of Christ and therefore had need of Reformation So that which is contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and the Apostles and practice of the primitive Church in the first hundred years is in the apostacy but Rome is in many practices and doctrines contrary to the true Church therefore needs reforming And so God hath manifested himself in this his day of Power and hath discovered the Church of Rome to be contrary in doctrine and practice to the true Spouse of Christ and hath stirned up and moved many by his Power and Spirit to preach the everlasting gospel and to declare also against the defection of the Church of Rome and her apostatizing from the Faith and they are not of those whom the Prophets spoke of which ran and the Lord sent them not for them were the false prophets in Israel and they were manifest by their fruits of which there are great store in Rome who are manifest by their fruits and they are such as are in Cain's way who would kill and such as are seekers of gain from their quarter and such as take the Jews tythes and these the Lord never sent to be Teachers or Ministers to bring to the knowledge of Christ but we deny all these things and your Church in the very ground and foundation and know that it will be swept away when the Beast is taken alive upon which your Church now rides then shall you see that that which you long put off among people as Apostolick Doctrine will not be received any more neither traditions nor inventions of men for the Worship of God The second doubt which the Author would be resolved in is Whether we can make good what Luther and Calvin with all Protestants have boasted that they would do to reform convincingly one of the silliest Roman Catholicks that is and to begin do it
Marriages new Moons and Sabbaths and voluntary humility and worshipping of Angels and praying unto them and praying for the dead and if you brought the Christian Faith so called into the rest of the Nations first and the aforesaid Doctrines mentioned and preached them up for Apostolick Institutions then you brought in a Doctrine and a Gospel that is accursed which you have received of your fore-fathers who wondered after the Beast and received his mark and have been drunken with the Whore's Cup to wit the Universe which you lay claim to and none but you called Christians So that it is manifest your Visible Universal Church is the Harlot and hath brought in another Gospel and other Doctrines than the Apostles and so are anathomized for the Apostles preached the Power of God to be the Gospel and you have preached traditions inventions old Wives Fables and outward ceremonies for the Gospel and so have deceived the Nations and now when they begin to dislike your Traffick you are angry but the day hath made manifest that discovers all your deceit And now I have answered the substance of the Book and also the eight Propositions proposed by the Author and thee I am not yet at the wits end as thou saith the Ministers in Germany the Low Countreys have been neither at Wisdoms end but am in it and ready if you will lay down your carnal weapons to begin with thee and to vindicate the Truth as it is in Jesus against the Doctrines of the Church of Rome whensoever I shall hear of thee or any that pertain to your Church make such another bold attempt as to condemn all since the Apostles days for Sectaries Hereticks and Scismaticks who have dissented from you and shal indeavour in the strength of Christ to vindicate and contend though not with Cain's weapons for the Faith and Doctrine which was once delivered to the Saints before the Apostacy and now is manifest again in us and is with us when the Apostacy is coming to an end and the everlasting Gospel is to be preached again to them that dwell on the Earth and to Nations Kindreds Tongues and people that they may come to the true Foundation again and to the Rock of Ages again that they may be established in righteousness for ever the joyful sound whereof is going into the Borders of Babylon which will make the Inhabitants thereof to abhor their City in which they have inhabited and they shall return to Zion with Songs of Deliverance and everlasting joy upon their Heads because the hour of God's judgement is come and coming upon the Harlot and the Year of Redemption is proclaiming to the Captive and the dead shall be raised to life and shall hear the Word of Life and their graves shall be opened and they shall have victory over it and they that hear the voice of the Son of God in themselves shall live and shall deny the voice of many waters and the voice of your Church Mysterie Babylon whose seat hath been upon them And as for Doctor Baily which the Author asserts for his proof and layes down his Reasons wherefore the Church of Rome hath been and is still the true Church by way of demonstration He saith That the Church of Rome was an excellent flourishing Mother-Church this Church could not cease to be such but she must fall either by Apostacy Herefie or Schism Now Apostacy saith he is a renouncing of the Faith of Christ and no man will say that the Church of Rome had ever such a fall 2. He saith Heresie is an adhering to some private and singular Opinion or Error in Faith contrary to the approved Doctrine of the Church Ans. Whatsoever the Author is pleased to boast of the Church of Rome we do not find flourishing for Faith wholsome Doctrine and sound conversation more than other Churches that were planted before her as is evident both by Seripture and the best Ecclesiastical Histories which the Church of Rome her self will allow of and so I can say the Church of Rome hath had a fall and prove it too by Apostacy Heresie and Schism As First she is fallen from her first Love and from the Doctrine of Christ who taught to love Enemies and to do good to them that hate them and to pray for them that persecuted them Now the Church of Rome hath not loved their Enemies neither such as they reckoned as so but have persecuted them to death and to banishment who did not receive their Doctrine And this renouncing of that Faith which was once delivered to the Saints by Christ himself who taught to love Enemies and if they beat them upon the one check turn the other but the Church of Rome is out of this Faith and Doctrine and hath renounced this Faith of Christ and hath denied the power of God and placed it in a Man to wit the Pope that infallibility is in him And this is in the Apostacy 2. If Heresie be an adhering to some private Opinion or Error in Faith then the Church of Rome is in the Heresie for the Faith that was held among the true Churches was that which did overcome the world and give victory over sin and Faith in Christ was that which onely gave an interest into the Kingdom of God but Cardinal Bellarmine a chief Pillar of your Church hath asserted this for the Doctrine of the Church of Rome That a man hath a two fold right to the Kingdom of God first by the merits of Christ Secondly by the merits of man's good works or works of supererogation And this is an adhering to a singular Opinion and is an Error in the Faith that was generally held in the true Churches of Christ as witness He worketh in us to will and to do viz. Christ. So that there is nothing appropriated unto the creature as a creature 3. This is an Error in the Faith of the Church of Rome who teacheth and are taught That there is a place called Purgatory in which men are cleansed from some light faults or venial sins and this is contrary to the faith of the true Christian Churches and is no less than Heresie for the true Church or Churches of Christ taught That the blood of Christ alone cleanseth from all sin and that he is to wit Christ the propitiation for sin and the everlasting Sacrifice and Offering but you have other Offerings as the Sacrifice of the Masse which you call an unbloody Sacrifice which is contrary to the faith of the Christian Church in Christ's and the Apostles days and therefore is Heresie Again praying for the dead and praying to Angels and worshipping of Images is absolute Heresie and contrary to the Faith and Doctrine of the true Church of Christ. 4. And as for Schism the Church of Rome hath separated from many other churches in their practice and also have excommunicated them as Schismaticks and Hereticks witness the Eastern churches the church of Caesaria and