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A85045 A discourse of the visible church. In a large debate of this famous question, viz. whether the visible church may be considered to be truely a church of Christ without respect to saving grace? Affirm. Whereunto is added a brief discussion of these three questions. viz. 1. What doth constitute visible church-membership. 2. What doth distinguish it, or render it visible. 3. What doth destroy it, or render it null? Together with a large application of the whole, by way of inference to our churches, sacraments, and censures. Also an appendix touching confirmation, occasioned by the Reverend Mr. Hanmore his pious and learned exercitation of confirmation. By Francis Fulwood minister of the gospel at West-Alvington in Devon. Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1658 (1658) Wing F2500; Thomason E947_3; ESTC R207619 279,090 362

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yet_o not_o so_o great_a as_o to_o render_v that_o party_n no_o member_n or_o that_o church_n no_o church_n 3_o it_o must_v be_v also_o heretical_a such_o as_o be_v cause_v by_o or_o accompany_v with_o the_o renounce_n of_o some_o fundamental_a doctrine_n for_o as_o willet_n observe_v if_o schysmaticks_n retain_v that_o be_v in_o a_o body_n purity_n of_o doctrine_n and_o the_o right_a use_n of_o ordinance_n as_o some_o schismatical_a congregation_n in_o augustine_n time_n do_v and_o now_o do_v they_o make_v up_o a_o true_a visible_a church_n a_o flock_n of_o sheep_n be_v true_o such_o though_o consist_v of_o particular_n stray_v from_o their_o several_a fold_n supra_fw-la schismaticus_fw-la potest_fw-la esse_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la haereticus_fw-la ut_fw-la siquis_fw-la credens_fw-fr omnes_fw-la articulos_fw-la fidei_fw-la nolit_fw-la tamen_fw-la cum_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la vera_fw-la communicare_fw-la in_o actionibus_fw-la piis_fw-la ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la to_o which_o they_o ought_v notwithstanding_o to_o return_v as_o to_o their_o proper_a and_o lawful_a place_n yet_o i_o conceive_v it_o possible_a that_o a_o person_n may_v by_o a_o total_a and_o universal_a schism_n though_o not_o heretical_a that_o be_v if_o he_o neither_o join_v himself_o to_o a_o ancient_a or_o to_o the_o schismatical_a church_n cease_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o catholic_n organical_a church_n hereby_o though_o positive_a schism_n be_v usual_o a_o great_a aggravation_n of_o negative_a schism_n yet_o it_o be_v rather_o a_o diminution_n of_o it_o when_o the_o negative_a schism_n be_v as_o before_o universal_a and_o total_a the_o reason_n be_v supra_fw-la si_fw-mi separatio_fw-la pertinaciter_fw-la fiat_fw-la vel_fw-la ab_fw-la omnibus_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la veris_fw-la vel_fw-la ab_fw-la ulla_fw-la propter_fw-la causam_fw-la communem_fw-la tum_fw-la tale_n schismat_fw-la quamvis_fw-la fieri_fw-la possit_fw-la ut_fw-la fidem_fw-la retinentes_fw-la sint_fw-la membra_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la catholicae_fw-la non_fw-la possunt_fw-la pro_fw-la visibilibus_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la membris_fw-la haberi_fw-la ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la because_o it_o be_v better_a to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o schismatical_a church_n where_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n be_v in_o any_o measure_n exercise_v then_o of_o no_o church_n at_o all_o and_o consequent_o to_o join_v in_o no_o kind_n of_o public_a worship_n at_o all_o though_o doubtless_o it_o be_v best_o of_o all_o to_o remain_v with_o or_o to_o return_v again_o unto_o the_o communion_n and_o worship_n of_o the_o true_a and_o ancient_a congregation_n of_o the_o lord_n so_o that_o we_o may_v add_v as_o a_o four_o property_n of_o such_o schism_n as_o destroy_v church-membership_a it_o must_v be_v negative_a as_o well_o as_o total_a universal_a and_o heretical_a object_n it_o may_v be_v think_v that_o this_o enumeration_n of_o the_o mean_n whereby_o a_o person_n or_o a_o people_n unchurch_n themselves_o be_v too_o short_a see_v idolatry_n and_o apostasy_n do_v as_o well_o unchurch_n as_o schism_n or_o heresy_n answ_n i_o answer_v concern_v idolatry_n 1._o idolatry_n can_v be_v 171._o idolatry_n papismus_fw-la est_fw-la pernitiosa_fw-la haeresis_fw-la quia_fw-la pracipuam_fw-la partem_fw-la pietatis_fw-la evertet_fw-la variis_fw-la modis_fw-la in_o falso_fw-la cult_v &_o idolatria_fw-la de_fw-la consc_fw-la p._n 171._o consider_v distinct_o from_o schism_n and_o heresy_n indeed_o it_o be_v make_v up_o only_o of_o they_o 1._o a_o deny_v the_o true_a god_n or_o a_o deny_v the_o true_a worship_n of_o the_o true_a god_n and_o a_o give_v of_o deity_n or_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o deity_n to_o a_o creature_n in_o our_o mind_n or_o opinion_n which_o be_v mental_a idolatry_n be_v nothing_o else_o but_o high_a heresy_n therefore_o ames_n give_v this_o reason_n to_o prove_v papacy_n to_o be_v heresy_n because_o it_o overturn_v the_o principal_a part_n of_o piety_n in_o false_a worship_n and_o idolatry_n again_o second_o the_o other_o great_a part_n of_o idolatry_n be_v schism_n both_o negative_a in_o withdraw_v from_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o true_a god_n or_o a_o withdraw_a worship_n from_o the_o true_a god_n and_o positive_a by_o set_v up_o a_o false_a worship_n to_o the_o true_a god_n or_o give_v the_o worship_n of_o the_o true_a god_n practical_o or_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la to_o a_o false_a god_n 382_o idolatria_fw-la est_fw-la tribuere_fw-la ei_fw-la rei_fw-la divinitatem_fw-la ac_fw-la honorem_fw-la dei_fw-la quae_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la deus_fw-la ac_fw-la adimire_v cultum_fw-la dei_fw-la &_o creaturae_fw-la tribuit_fw-la zegid_a de_fw-fr idol_n p._n 382_o and_o therefore_o practical_a idolatry_n be_v proper_o and_o direct_o oppose_v to_o the_o true_a worship_n as_o mental_a idolatry_n be_v to_o true_a faith_n 2._o idolatry_n as_o such_o on_o all_o kind_n of_o idolatry_n be_v not_o inconsistent_a with_o the_o true_a church_n or_o true_a church-membership_a and_o indeed_o it_o 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