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against factious unchristian Whigs S. Faction has no part in Religion but let him not under that Notion draw in and comprehend all Men that dissent from the Church of England as he has too often done Let him rail against the Factious as much as he pleases they may be on the one hand as well as the other but he has endeavoured by that means to shoulder out all Protestant Dissenters under the Titles of Fanaticks and Whigs however the evil Spirit came to be allay'd at this time N. He had spent much of his Gall before and his Cholodock Vessels were empty S. But they will soon fill again for Choller is the predominate humor of his Constitution and you shall hear him shortly as hot as ever against Dissenters and make them as very Devils and Hobgoblings as his Pen can paint them N. I think you are a Witch for the very next appearance he makes he 's at his old Vomit Choller and Gall Whiggish Murthers and Massacres Whiggish Blasphemy and Treasons Whiggish Plots and Rebellions he spends like Thunder on the old scent S. Don't you know the reason of that He has told you himself That he must needs go whom the Devil drives N. There he calls the Parliament or the Commons at least Devils by craft they are all of them very Belphegors to him and will send him again into the Netherlands But 't is you Mr. Dissenting Some body that by assuming the appellation of Protestant has brought the dignity of that Profession into Contempt S. Or rather have not the Tories and Tantivies of your Acquaintance brought a scandal and suspicion upon many of the Church of England by their strange Methods of justifying them and condemning all Protestants in the World besides N. Be advised and leave Luther think on the name no more there is no such denomination in Scripture let it be hence forward Christian for I am almost ashamed of the other name now since your taking it upon you being a dissenting Whig has so much abused it S. I am content friend I like the Name well but tell me mayn't I be still a dissenting Christian or a Christian Dissenter and will not that render me then to a Tory or a Papist lyable to be compared with a Mahometan as most religiously is observed by the Observator N. Why to tell you truly if you will be a Dissenting Christian according to the Tory Creed you shall be no more than a Turk or a Iew nor so much neither but look you if you will live in submission to your Superiours the Pope and his Priests and be so charitable as to believe all for Gospel what some will tell you then you may own the Name but to take up the Name of Proestant as the Whigs do to steal Horses only or to take up money upon Credit is a plous fraud that the Church of Rome itself has not been hold enough to venture upon S. How tender of the Church of Romes Reputation are you grown Good Christians all that seem what they are True haters of Hereticks and all sorts of Protestants But since we are not to be called Protestants and that Dissenting Christians implys the same thing what Name shall we have N. As for that your Godfathers the Observator and Heraclitus have given you Names sufficient as Fanaticks Whigs Traytors Rebels Villains and many other such like most Christian Appellations to distinguish you from the Romish Church But we will allow you to be a Dissenting Protestant or a Dissenting Christian but by no means a Protestant Dissenter or a Protesting Christian. S. What Fiddling is this upon words It jingles like a tinkling Cymbal with a noise without Musick N. Something like Le Strang's Notes upon Colledg S. I see you are about to speak against the Government therefore I 'll leave you for I fear 't is to draw me in with your new Irish ●way of Dialoguising To speak against L. S. or any of his pious words is to speak against both Religion Law King Court Council and all that c. N. Nay Sir He 's more than all that I 'll assure you but as to his Notes upon Colledg I have nothing more to observe to you but that he begins well to his Reader It is not the part of a Christian nor indeed of a man except himself to insult upon the miserable either in their Memorys or in their Persons besides that the Criminal here in Question has already satisfied Publique Iustice c. S. Then comes a Yet this doth not hinder but that a man may according to his Talent honestly satisfie this Morality by endeavouring to say as much ill of an Executed Dissenter as he can and that notwithstanding all his knowledge in Heathenish and Christian Morals for the Cause and something Else sake he may honestly be permitted to rake in the Ashes of the Dead disturb their Memory fling Dung on their Words Execute them over again play a second Ketch's part and dissect their bowels draw out with twisting inferences their words shew their thoughts expound their meanings and let no part of their Quarters rest in quiet N. But to leave this stuff what say you to Heraclitus's last Ballad of The Whigs Save-all S. I don't care if I give you another 't is called The Torys burn all Or The Tories Candles End upon the Whigs Save-all To London make hast While the Candle doth last Now the People are all in a maze For our old cause here Does in Triumph appear Tho' our Candle is e'en at last blaze We'ave borrow'd Whigs Save all That our Candle might have all Th' advantage that we can give it Our Lies tho but shallow Do serve us for Tallow With which we take care to relieve it We'ave more tricks than one And turn every Stone To bring in the Popish Religion Let no Man then blame us For sham Ignoramus To cheat a Whig or a Protestant Widgeon O now for a Jury Of Papist and Tory To believe all that is a mear a As e're was swore by the true Papistical Crew And against Tapsky to find Billa Vera. We can hang we can burn If once the Tyde turn We then shall have our Mandamus Then Whigs you must turn all Or else you shall burn all We 'll ne'r find a Bill Ignoramus If Candles-End doth last Till some time be past Tho it grow so neer to the Snuff To affect our desire In kindling a Fire It will serve all our turns well enough Then will we remember Whigs Fifth of November And their burning of so many Popes Th' Image shan't serve turn Live Whigs we will burn And their Save-alls hang up in our Ropes Then it shall appear We can domineer And in our damn'd Crimes we can glory For when we expire We fear not Hell-Fire And can be pray'd out of Furgatory London Printed for El. Smith at the Elephant and Castle in Cornhil 1081. Numb 3. A New DIALOGUE BETWEEN Somebody Nobody OR THE
is no Witch he may be mistaken in his blind Observations as well as his friend Gadbury in the Stars and in his Prognosticks though he brags they can hardly piss but he knows it and has the History of all their Haunts Practices Consults and all the little accidents 78. N. Nay he is down-right I assure you and loves to speak plain S. He speaks plain enough but it would be well if he spoke truth too but he is for plain downright lying and accusing They says he Numb 78. meaning the Dissenters have already assassinated one Protestant Prince and involved 3 Kingdoms in Bloud Sacriledge and Confusion and they are now contriving the same over again by a more audacious and Diabolical Association This is an high Charge N. But he tells you that they are Hypocrites neither Protestants nor Papists that take upon them the name of Protestants and brand all the Sons and Servants of the Government such as himself for Papists These are the only men he speaks against that have made an Association and Confederacy S. And let him in Gods Name but he should do more than write or speak against such for he should bring them forth and shew their particular persons to the world that Justice might be done on them and not by his Caterwauling endeavour to make us believe all the Dissenters are such kind of persons and enter'd into an Hellish Plot and Association against the Government N. If you would have let him alone he would have shewn you the particular persons one by one they say Mr. Somebody has a list of them but the Ignoramus Iurys spoyl'd the sport and the folly of the Tories in overdoing has quite undone the Presbyterian Plot. But do you think that he who will translate out of French an Apology for the Protestants and justifie their departure from the Church of Rome will be so wicked to undermine them and make them guilty of Plots when innocent S. He can do more than that when in his Conscience he believes no such thing N. The Observator says Numb 79. There is no Protestant Plot but indeed that there is a Phanatic Plot but they are no Protestants no more than a Turk who puts forth English Colours is a Christian. S. But who are these he calls Phanatics He tells you in several places they are the Dissenters and the Protestants are only those of the Church of England so that 't is clear all Dissenters are Plotters against the Government false Christians or Hereticks and so according to the Tory Principle may be lawfully knockt on the Head or swore out of their Lives or any way put out of the way N. That is Because their Religion is a mass of Errors wrapt up under one denomination a medly of Opinions united in a Conspiracy and divided in Truth Numb 79. S. Yes We know what he says of them well enough and that he makes them the Gunpowder of the State but they are Trains of his own laying and which he would set fire too if he could and were these Dissenters such persons he has represented them to be he had done it long since N. I confess he cares not for the Damn'd Vertue Patience Obs. 80. S. O that Medicine for a Mad Dog A virtue in Religion but not in State ibid. He hates Patience on either hand that Vertue in the Whigs troubles him because they won't run horn mad at his luteing and in the State because it nips not the Phanaticks in the bud that is hang up all that take the liberty of contradicting the State Scavengers N. I find this Patience has done much mischief S. It has disappointed the Tantaras and makes them blow Sedition so long till they are almost weary London Printed for El. Smith 1681.