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christian_n	call_v	church_n	congregation_n	1,735	5	9.2238	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A78137	A reply to the frivolous and impertinent ansvver of R.B. to the discourse of P.B. In which discourse is shewed, that the baptisme in the defection of Antichrist, is the ordinance of God, notwithstanding the corruptions that attend the same, and that the baptisme of infants is lawfull, both which are vindicated from the exceptions of R.B. and further cleared by the same authour. There is also a reply, in way of answer to some exceptions of E.B. against the same.	Barbon, Praisegod, 1596?-1679.	1643 (1643)	Wing B755; Thomason E96_20; ESTC R5151	48,062	73

same so the Church and Baptisme neede no new raising they remainning the same But he conclude●h the sprinkling of infants was never Gods Ordinance indeed if hee were a Christ a Moses Eltas or prophet from heaven his bare affirmation might passe and be taken for good but it is well wee neede not beleeve him unlesse wee will So hee saith the Argument is to no purpose hee might well say so of his simple answer he pleaseth himself withall He propoundeth a case I shal not trouble my self to take away the content hee hath in it being assured any one that hath reason in him will see it is but a fancie Another exception is to a passage in my discourse wherin I said it was marvellous they had not patience about raising Baptisme lost seeing some of them expect Christ personally to appeare in the world againe I said happily he might bee angrie at their suddaine attempt that they did not stay his comming or at least till hee had given them Commission as hee did John to prepare his way before him this he setteth downe corruptly sayth I say some hold Christ is to come and raigne at Hierusalem He sayth I say I would have had them stay til then for the ordinance I said only I marvelled they had not patience to stay I shall beare his charges and take notice of his answer If the want of the visibilitie of the Church maketh Christ a widower The Church P. B. is a Member of was unheard of till within these two hundred yeeres this he learned of the Papist where was your Church before Luther well two hundred yeeres is some Antiquitie more then two or three yeeres such as is the descent of the totall dippers in this Kingdome hee foolishly concludeth so Christ a widower till then But he might know that though the Reformed Churches came then out of Bondage and Corruption to freedome and puritie yet there might be other Churches in Asia or in Affrica though there remained none but so corrupt in Europe so as Christ should not need to bee a widower for want of such a visible Church as P. B. is of being but of two hundred yeeres standing But the aforsaid inference he maketh with a promise and that is unlesse I hold the Church of Rome a true Church I hold not the Church of Rome a true Church nor never did but this I hold that the Church estate remained in or under the Romane deffection the man of sin sitting in the Temple of God so as Christ was not widower though his Church was polluted and defiled kept under and suppressed as it fared in like case with the spouse of Christ the Church when she went a whoring from him and polluted Ezek. 23. 17. 30 14. 11. 26. Esay 13. her selfe and had other Lords to reigne over her At length he turnes his confutation into a quaere and asketh how I dare separate from her how durst he separate from the Church he was left a Member of for which hee was dealt withall by them he may resolve the case himselfe But for satisfaction to others in this matter I shall give some account Christianitie and the estate of the Church I hold remained under the great defection of the man of sin God in time called out his people Reve. 18. 4. The Waldenses first the Reformed Churches in France Germany Belgia then came forth into freedome and puritie in obedience to that call and served God apart as sometimes the Christians did leave the Church of the Jewes In Babylon is Gods people yea his people in Covenant these words Reve. 4. 18. being the words of the Covenant Iere. 31. So as the matter of the Church remaining is clearely gathered from thence none being the people of God in Covenant so but onely those of his Church the Church estate and ordinances in some consideration there remaining they comming out of her to wit Babylon they must come out of and separate from the Church so either remayning so farre as concernes Member-ship So as I might answer we separa●e from her because we are so bidden by Almighty God though in some sence the Church be there remayning And if E. B. or any other would please but to minde M. Iunius and Duplesis Lord of Mornay as they doe M. Rogers they might learne this at least they might see that such an opinion is neither singular nor new to further his daring question touching separation I say separation is totall For it is in part E. B. professeth totall separation from Rome and England which he accounteth on but he is nothing true to his principle for all hee casteth away the Baptisme he received there for why by like reason doth hee not separate from the same Saviour and Redeemer Jesus professed by them why doth hee not renounce the Scriptures by them maintained especially the Translation of them this being an outward thing as is Baptisme why holdeth he with them the doctrine of the Trinitie the two natures of Christ in one person why observeth he with them the Lords day and retaineth their Marriages and submitteth to Magistracie and government there sure the man is partiall he practiseth but separation in part though he professe totall he commeth much short of his owne principle and it is well he doth for surely he ought but to separate in part from the evill of a person or thing and so from the evils there for so it is said that ye partake not of her si●s but of the vertues or good there or in any what ever we may and ought and it is as great an evill to separate from good that being of God as it is not to separate from evill and sin But he hath another daring quaere how dare they set up a state before Christ come They the reformed Churches he meaneth that are he saith but of two hundred yeeres standing To which I say it is likely they expect no such personall comming of Christ And further I say if he please to looke into the harmony of their Confessions they will informe him and tell him the ground of their practice not onely in forsaking Babylon and comming out of the Church in deepe defection But also of their Congregating together and worshipping of God purely according to his word And this not by way of new beginning either in regard of matter or form but by way o● reforming themselves being Christians or baptized beleevers and so matter and also there Congregated in regard of forme though in deepe defection and in a verie corrupt condition so as in regard of matter or forme there was no need of our Lord Christ Moses or Elias or a prophet from heaven personally to appeare about the matter for at the most they being baptized Christians It is but a multiplying of congregations which is sure lawfull and ever was and E. B. will not be against it The whole answer to this daring quaere is but according to the injunction of the Apostle after the defection Thes 22. 15. Stand fast and keep the instructions yea have beene taught by word or Epistle the rest o● his exceptions I have replied unto in answere to R. B and so shall not trouble my selfe nor the Reader about them but shall referre the whole matter to the censure of the Godly-wise FINIS ERRATA Pag. 1. L. 11. for the. r. he p. 4. l. 9. for is said r. I said l 16. for where r. wherefore l. 25. put out apart p. 5. l. 7. for so before r. see before p. 6. l. 5. adde to where might he might p. ● l. 33. for deection r. defection p. 11. l. 1. for R. B. r. P. B. p. 12. l. 19. put out r. no p. 1● l. 33. for my r. the p. 14. l. 33. for neither r. whither p. 15. l. 4. adde on ● p. 20. l. 7. for matter r. water l. 33. to made adde voide p. 21. l. 30. make a stop at the end of notwithstanding p. 22. l. 6. for our r. out l. 21. for written r. write p. 26. l. 9. for that is r. that dipping is p. 28. l. 28. the end 29. the beginning for all cases r. a case p. 29. l. 22. for dipping r. dip p. 30. l. 8. for R. B. were r. R. B. way p. 31. l. 9. for slipping r. skipping p. 32. l. 5. for but something r. but at something p. 33. l. 6. put out our blood l. 11. for some r. sonne p. 37. l. 14. for common r. come upon p. 41. l. 19. for nature considered r. by nature considered p. ●● l. 27. for or r. for p. 48. l. 19. for making r. mocking l. ●8 for 〈◊〉 r. the same p. 50 l. 31. leave out children in the p 51. l. 3. r. for it l. 29 for and in r. and o● Courteous Reader passe by the escapes in correcting and amend them with thy pen if thou please Take notice that there is some mistakes in stops and the quotations in the Margent are not placed even