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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A64381	A true account of a conference held about religion at London, Septemb. 29, 1687 between A. Pulton, Jesuit, and Tho. Tenison, D.D. as also of that which led to it, and followed after it / by Tho. Tenison.	Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715.	1687 (1687)	Wing T723; ESTC R18602	49,387	102

to be contrary to the Bible and therefore that which is tenderest they are not so willing to touch in popular Conferences It is enough if they can get them to the Authority of their Church and then the obedient Child swallows whatsoever the Mother gives it 3. It is said no particular Answer was given it will be found otherwise in the account of the Conference But if a sufficient Sum be tendered and Mr. P. be out of humour to receive it he ought not to complain that he cannot have his Debt paid him If Dr. T. had said less certainly it had not been out of unreadiness to answer seeing in that matter he was prepared he having publish'd a Tract about the Rule of Faith of which a second Edition came forth but a while ago and no Answer has been yet made to it whether out of contempt of the imperfections of it or for other Reasons he cannot tell And here seeing Self-defence is not vanity he takes occasion to make mention of another Tract scribbled by him against the Romish Author of the Protestants Plea for a Socinian at the latter end of which Mr. Meredith's Question about being judg'd by another or going on our own head is answer'd tho not so fully as by another Pen and to be perpetually answering Questions answered already is a Task which a person of good breeding will not impose till the Answer first given is refuted by him It is true there was one who cited a few lines of the latter Tract who if he had cited a few more had spoil'd his design of Misrepresentation His words are these If you have seen the Answer to the Protestants Plea for a Socinian you 'l find there Pag. 26. he points it out for the mark of a Right Socinian to make Reason the Rule of the Scriptures Such a one says he makes Reason the Rule of the Rule He goes no farther for that which follows shews the Author to have spoken of their Reasonings not of Reason it self which if any Man allows them in their own Doctrines he in effect does yeild them the Cause That which there follows is this Though he the Right Socinian thinks a Doctrine is plain in Scripture yet if he believes it to be against HIS REASON He assents not to it And P. 27. A Man of this Church of England suspects not Reason it self but his own present Art of Reasoning whensoever it concludes against that which he reads and reads without doubting of the Sense of the Words If the Representer can come no nigher the Likeness he may if he please lay down his Pencil D. T. owns that this is a Digression but he judged it better seeing there was no more needed to write a Paragraph in defence of himself against a publick unjust Cavil than to trouble the World with a whole Book 4. Whereas it is said that by the Universal Church Dr. T. said he meant the several Bodies who make up the Number of Christians which Mr. P. afterwards calls distinct Bodies Dr. T. did not use that Phrase For his Words were remarkable enough that he meant by the Universal Church what he called it every Lords Day before Sermon the Congregation of Christian People dispersed throughout the World. And he added that he took in the Testimony of Jews and Heathens and might believe Men sincere when they spake against themselves and that he also took in the Roman Church in the better Ages and honest Men in it who in the corrupter Ages gave Testimony against its Corruptions as they arose And he always inserted this Caution that he took this Testimony from such Universal Consent with Considerations of the Persons as agreeing Witnesses and not from their Authority 5. There is Craft in putting in the words distinct Bodies as if the Being of a Church could not be continued and the Corruptions of it opposed and relinquish'd without going forth to some other Body of Men free from all such Corruptions Mr. P. may please to answer Dr. T. in this Point about the Church of the Literal Israel besides which there was then no other Church and enlighten him by the Resolution of this Query whether there may be a Reformation in a Church without leaving of it The Learned Dr. Jackson said it long ago That our Church was in the Romish Church before Luther's Time and yet in it neither as a visible Church altogether distinct from it nor as any native Member of it To his Arguments and Explications at present I refer Mr. P. tho there are others of other kinds of equal weight and clearness For the rest the aforesaid Account of the Conference will shew how far this Paper of Mr. Pulton's is true and whether it contains a fair Proposal when it offers in Exchange for the Contents of it that which is really thinner Stuff and much shorter Measure The Account written by Mr. Pulton A True Account of a Conference had about Religion between Dr. T. and A. P. on the 29th of September 1687 in Long-Acre London Dr. T 's Note MR. P. scattered Copies of this Account and Dr. T. saw three of them on Monday October the 10th Dr. T. and Mr. P. spent their time very ill if so lame an Account as this of a four-Hours Conference be a true one How far it is from the whole Truth has been already shewn in Dr. T 's fuller and more impartial Relation And it is so ill repeated that Mr. P. having by so doing made it his own may take the whole to himself For Dr. T 's part he will not be his Stirrop to be let down and taken up at his Pleasure That which is against him is omitted by him and that which he thinks is for him is added tho never spoken Mr. Pulton's Account ON Monday there came a Youth to A. P. who desir'd to know if he was willing to accept of a Conference with D. H. concerning Religion He answer'd that he was But on Tuesday it was told him Dr. T. would be the Person he must meet at 3 in the Afternoon on Thursday Accordingly the Parties met on the said Thursday being Michaelmas Day A. P. came with one Witness no Priest Dr. T. alone And when the Doctor excepted against the Gentleman A. P. was willing he should retire and pitch'd upon another who casually came in at the same time tho not so much as known by name to A. P. If the Doctor would have no Witness present then A. P. desir'd all might depart except the young Man upon whose account they met the Room being now full The Doctor not assenting to that a A. P. press'd much that whatsoever should be said on either side might be writ down but this not being accepted of the Subject of the Conference was proposed by A. P. who desir'd the Doctor to give the young Man b a Rule of Faith which might keep him in the Church of England After some Preambles the Doctor was pleas'd