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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A17505	A replie vnto a certaine libell, latelie set foorth by Fa: Parsons, in the name of vnited priests, intituled, A manifestation of the great folly and bad spirit, of certaine in England, calling themselues seculer priestes VVith an addition of a table of such vncharitable words and phrases, as by him are vttered in the said treatise, aswell against our parsons, as our bookes, actions, and proceedings.	Clark, William, d. 1603.; Barneby, Francis. aut; Clarionet, William, attributed name.	1603 (1603)	STC 4321; ESTC S107159	173,407	232

by others as indeede he was but Fa Parsons will neuer leaue his old tricks of iugling From these higher powers of Popes by one step vp and another downe he commeth vnto the greater part in Wisbich which he saith we make our enemies and he noteth 30. well neere of them and but seauen or eight of ours whereas when these contentions began in Wisbich and during their most aboade there the number was not of such inequallity as he telleth you there being 13. on the vnited part and 19. on the other and no more How they may be increased or diminished since the end of those stirres by new missions from other prisons importeth little to the purpose Yet we assure our selues and know it to be true that necessity forceth some to hang on their sleeues there least otherwise they should starue in prison by the vncharitable subtraction of exhibition caused by the Iesuits as all men know But to come neerer to the purpose Be the number more or lesse what folly I pray you is it in prosecuting of a iust cause to make a few priests in prison our aduersaries Indeede if the cause were euill I would hold with Fa Parsons that we ought to haue respected the grauity and merits of so many Confessours in prison together with the iniustice of the cause by vs taken in hand but seeing our cause is iust and most iust as in the chiefest point of the Archpriest and matter of schisme already is euident and in the rest I doubt not will proue in the end what ouer-sight was it by such honest and lawfull meanes to procure their enmitie if they will thereby make themselues vniustly our enemies or aduersaries Marie saith Fa Parsons because theirs being the greater part in that house euery man of iudgement considering the odds and differences of these two parts to wit the number and qualitie of each side will easily incline to giue sentence against them To this wee say that euery man that taketh father Parsons courses and regardeth multitude and strength more then equitie and iustice will easily condemne indeed the lesser part but euery wise and honest man vvill looke into the cause and not to the number or outward faire shew of the persons which often deceaueth the vulger sort but neuer any discreet indifferent person not caried away with partialitie And as for the cōmendations of fa Weston they had been better out of another mans mouth then fa Parsons and wee haue sufficiently spoken thereof in the first chapter But touching Ma. Pond wee can better commend his constancie in religion and durance then his discretion in his particuler actions which we will omit not indeed intending the disgrace of any rather attributing such things to a defect in nature then otherwise though I must needes tell Ma Parsons that hee tasteth too too much of spight and mallice in disgracing ●oure reuerend and worthy men our friends to wit first Ma Doctor Bagshaw whom in disdaine he calleth a Doctor of his owne procuring without licence of his Superiour Whereas all men know there is no other licence required in taking degree in schooles but sufficiencie in the party proceeding which all the world knoweth was more in him then any Iesuit that euer came into England and approbation of the Vniuersitie where he taketh degree which hee had with great applause See whether this sauoured not of malice against the Doctor in particuler making him further the Author of all contention because he opposed himselfe to theyr ambitious desires and charging him with expulsion out of the Romane Colledge which is most false and that he was of an vnquiet spirit there All these obiections proceed of an old grudge without any iot of veritie The Rector Alphonso Agazara that then ruled the Colledge betwixt whom and the scholers was difference was then thrust out for his troublesome vnquiet gouernment and vniust dealings against the scholers as is well knowne to all that liued then in Rome You may find more of this matter in Ma. Doctor Bagshawes aunswer to the Apologie ioyned with Doctor Ely his notes The second person whom hee so much disgraceth is Ma Bluet a man of great grauitie and for his long sufferance the most worthy Confessor of our Nation and whose person and cariage hath been such as thereby he hath beene and is venerable in the sight of all men euen amongst the Protestants And as touching his hauing once beene a Minister it is a lewd obiection against him no more derogating from his vertues and good parts then S. Augustines beeing once a Manichè derogated from his authority and sanctity vvhen afterwards he was Bishop of Hippo. Who knoweth not that diuers worthy men of our Nation haue beene Ministers and yet doubtlesse are whom we hope to see vnited with vs in the body of the Cath Church Haue not diuers beene called from the very Altars of Idols to become Christians yea and priests to and will you say that the office of the Ministrie is more disgracefull then the office of Idolaters But this still sheweth a spice of too too much malice The other two reuerend priests are Ma. Champney and Ma. Barnbe whose parts and vertues are knowne to be such as all the enuy in fa Parsons cannot impeach Ma. Bluet and Ma. Champney are now in Rome if any iust exceptions could be made against them were it to touch their liues I think fa Parsons would vrge it against them But all that hee or any other saith to discredite them is vntrue and fained of purpose to keepe theyr ignorant affected heere at home in iealousies blinding them with muddy mists of detractions that men should not see into theyr owne sleights and deceits and discouer theyr bad proceedings in these affaires The next ranke of the enemies wee haue procured as hee sayth is Doctor Saunders Ma. Moreton Doctor Web and Cardinall Allen and with these he ioyneth Doctor Stappleton Doctor Bristow Ma. George Martin and Ma. William Reynolds It is a world to see how this man shuffleth and cutteth to draw all famous men to be fauourers of his fond and foolish courses by consequence aduersaries to vs of some of which it was neuer heard that euer they medled in any matter concerning state And if euer they did which to vs is vnknowne as we thinke to the world wee would as vvell dislike of them therein as we do with all actions of that quality proceede they from whom they will Yet is not this to condemne or disgrace the men as we haue said or to make them iustly our enemies no more then to dislike the fact of S. Cyprian in rebaptization is to procure S. Cyprian our enemie but rather the contrary to procure theyr amity greater loue if duly and iustly they consider it speaking of such as are yet liuing in that hereby we giue them sufficient light to see the errors of such proceedings and what harme hath come to Gods cause by such