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A62668 To receive the Lords Supper, the actual right and duty of all church-members of years not excommunicate made good against Mr. Collins his exceptions against The bar removed, written by the author : and what right the ignorant and scandalous tolerated in the church have to the Lords Supper declared : many thing belonging to that controversie more fully discussed, tending much to the peace and settlement of the church : and also a ful answer to what Mr. Collins hath written in defence of juridical suspension, wherein his pretended arguments from Scripture are examined and confuted : to which is also annexed A brief answer to the Antidiatribe written by Mr. Saunders / by John Timson ... Timson, John.; Timson, John. Brief answer to the antidiatribe written by Mr. Saunders. 1655 (1655) Wing T1296; ESTC R1970 185,323 400

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to_o eat_v at_o the_o sacrament_n only_o proper_o as_o it_o be_v too_o difficult_a to_o prove_v so_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o he_o will_v prove_v the_o same_o by_o the_o same_o for_o then_o the_o sense_n of_o his_o proposition_n be_v this_o that_o it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o give_v the_o sacrament_n unto_o such_o that_o we_o may_v not_o give_v the_o sacrament_n unto_o but_o there_o be_v some_o not_o cast_v out_o we_o may_v not_o give_v the_o sacrament_n unto_o ergo._n take_v his_o argument_n in_o what_o sense_n you_o can_v there_o be_v nothing_o in_o 1_o cor._n 5._o to_o stand_v upon_o or_o in_o the_o least_o to_o make_v it_o good_a his_o proof_n of_o his_o minor_n fall_v too_o short_a i_o will_v grant_v he_o 1._o that_o there_o may_v be_v such_o in_o the_o church_n that_o the_o apostle_n call_v old_a leaven_n 2._o that_o it_o be_v unlawful_a for_o the_o church_n to_o connive_v at_o their_o wickedness_n that_o be_v that_o old_a leaven_n and_o keep_v the_o feast_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n with_o they_o but_o what_o be_v this_o for_o his_o purpose_n himself_o say_v its_o a_o plain_a case_n that_o the_o apostle_n do_v chide_v the_o corinth_n in_o that_o they_o do_v not_o cast_v out_o the_o incestuous_a person_n that_o leaven_v their_o communion_n by_o excommunication_n pag._n 35._o in_o this_o he_o say_v true_a and_o they_o of_o corinth_n put_v this_o decree_n into_o execution_n concern_v the_o incestuous_a person_n as_o the_o only_a remedy_n to_o purge_v themselves_o of_o that_o leaven_n that_o sour_v the_o whole_a by_o their_o connivance_n and_o sinful_a indulgence_n what_o then_o do_v it_o follow_v because_o they_o be_v chide_v for_o their_o neglect_n of_o exercise_v church-censure_n therefore_o they_o be_v chide_v for_o admistr_v the_o sacrament_n unto_o he_o before_o he_o be_v juridical_o put_v out_o of_o all_o communion_n with_o they_o if_o the_o apostle_n have_v understand_v that_o suspension_n from_o the_o sacrament_n only_o have_v be_v a_o sufficient_a remedy_n to_o purge_v the_o church_n and_o reform_v the_o sinner_n then_o doubtless_o he_o will_v have_v blame_v they_o for_o admit_v he_o to_o the_o sacrament_n and_o he_o will_v have_v give_v the_o remedy_n in_o prescribe_v a_o rule_n to_o suspend_v he_o from_o the_o sacrament_n only_o but_o as_o their_o whole_a communion_n be_v leaven_v by_o their_o sinful_a indulgence_n so_o they_o be_v urge_v to_o cast_v that_o scandalous_a person_n out_o of_o all_o christian_a communion_n sacred_a and_o civil_a with_o such_o a_o one_o no_o not_o eat_v but_o how_o do_v this_o prove_v that_o there_o may_v be_v some_o in_o the_o church_n not_o excommunicate_v with_o who_o its_o unlawful_a to_o eat_v the_o sacrament_n but_o he_o go_v on_o with_o his_o proof_n of_o his_o second_o thing_n that_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o communicate_v with_o scandalous_a sinner_n let_v we_o therefore_o keep_v the_o feast_n not_o with_o the_o old_a leaven_n of_o malice_n and_o wickedness_n from_o hence_o be_v easy_o gather_v say_v he_o that_o christian_n ought_v not_o to_o keep_v the_o feast_n with_o scandalous_a sinner_n true_o i_o say_v so_o too_o answ_n where_o a_o church_n be_v in_o a_o capacity_n to_o deal_v with_o the_o scandalous_a juridical_o and_o thereby_o put_v they_o out_o of_o all_o christian_a communion_n as_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n do_v but_o i_o deny_v still_o that_o they_o be_v blame_v for_o admit_v such_o unto_o god_n ordinance_n before_o they_o be_v juridical_o by_o the_o censure_n of_o the_o church_n separate_v from_o the_o congregation_n search_v and_o see_v if_o you_o can_v find_v one_o syllable_n of_o a_o sentence_n in_o this_o chapter_n tend_v that_o way_n mr._n collins_n make_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o do_v about_o keep_v the_o feast_n but_o at_o last_o i_o think_v he_o fasten_v upon_o a_o good_a honest_a safe_a interpretation_n pag._n 38._o from_o isai_n 25.6_o where_o the_o lord_n promise_v to_o make_v a_o feast_n of_o fat_a thing_n unto_o all_o people_n gentile_n as_o well_o as_o jew_n by_o which_o say_v he_o be_v promise_v all_o gospel_n ordinance_n and_o a_o holy_a communion_n with_o they_o in_o all_o his_o ordinance_n etc._n etc._n and_o hence_o the_o sacrament_n be_v a_o part_n of_o this_o feast_n etc._n etc._n pag._n 39_o but_o if_o that_o be_v the_o sense_n answ_n then_o upon_o his_o own_o confession_n the_o sacrament_n be_v but_o a_o part_n of_o that_o feast_n why_o how_o do_v this_o prove_v then_o that_o we_o ought_v not_o to_o keep_v the_o feast_n with_o scandalous_a sinner_n when_o mr._n collins_n allow_v scandalous_a sinner_n the_o liberty_n of_o all_o the_o other_o dish_n and_o part_n of_o this_o feast_n but_o be_v aware_a of_o this_o he_o add_v that_o the_o lord●_n supper_n be_v the_o only_a proper_a feast_n of_o this_o feast_n that_o be_v his_o sense_n first_o he_o will_v be_v honest_a and_o let_v every_o gospel_n ordinance_n have_v a_o share_n in_o this_o feast_n and_o then_o attribute_n all_o to_o this_o one_o and_o make_v it_o the_o proper_a feast_n of_o the_o feast_n they_o be_v to_o keep_v and_o he_o tell_v we_o doubtless_o it_o must_v be_v so_o because_o some_o communion_n with_o on_o incestuous_a person_n in_o other_o ordinance_n may_v be_v allow_v thus_o you_o see_v let_v the_o scripture_n say_v what_o it_o will_v and_o although_o mr._n collins_n be_v force_v to_o confess_v his_o assent_n unto_o a_o rational_a sense_n you_o may_v see_v how_o his_o private_a opinion_n and_o fancy_n draw_v he_o off_o again_o and_o make_v he_o venture_v to_o give_v the_o denomination_n of_o this_o feast_n to_o the_o lord_n supper_n only_o and_o it_o must_v be_v so_o because_o against_o his_o own_o reason_n and_o sense_n he_o will_v have_v it_o so_o be_v that_o a_o reason_n to_o make_v it_o good_a for_o some_o communion_n with_o a_o incestuous_a person_n in_o other_o ordinance_n may_v be_v allow_v direct_o contrary_a to_o the_o apostle_n decree_n and_o direction_n when_o he_o command_v they_o to_o put_v out_o from_o among_o yourselves_o that_o wicked_a person_n verse_n the_o last_o but_o still_o the_o very_a main_a thing_n of_o his_o argument_n want_v proof_n that_o there_o may_v be_v some_o in_o the_o church_n not_o excommunicate_a with_o who_o it_o be_v unlawful_a for_o the_o church_n to_o eat_v in_o his_o proof_n of_o this_o he_o must_v make_v good_a these_o several_a thing_n that_o in_o this_o 5._o chap._n 1_o cor._n the_o church_n be_v blame_v for_o eat_v with_o the_o scandalous_a brother_n before_o the_o church_n trial_n and_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n be_v inflict_v that_o the_o church_n be_v not_o leaven_v for_o their_o careless_a connivance_n and_o tolerate_v such_o a_o scandalous_a brother_n but_o only_o for_o admit_v of_o he_o to_o the_o sacrament_n that_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n have_v do_v their_o duty_n if_o they_o have_v only_o suspend_v he_o from_o the_o lord_n supper_n that_o we_o be_v as_o much_o forbid_v the_o company_n and_o civil_a friendly_a familiarity_n in_o eat_v and_o drink_v with_o a_o scandalous_a brother_n not_o cast_v out_o as_o with_o a_o excommunicate_a person_n i_o shall_v refer_v myself_o to_o those_o that_o be_v learned_a &_o sober_a if_o it_o be_v not_o of_o necessity_n to_o prove_v those_o thing_n before_o he_o can_v conclude_v from_o this_o chapter_n that_o there_o may_v be_v some_o in_o the_o church_n not_o cast_v out_o with_o who_o it_o may_v be_v unlawful_a to_o eat_v the_o sacrament_n or_o that_o the_o unexcommunicate_a member_n shall_v be_v suspend_v from_o the_o sacrament_n and_o allow_v the_o liberty_n of_o all_o other_o ordinance_n in_o the_o church_n as_o member_n but_o mr._n collins_n in_o stead_n of_o make_v good_a his_o argument_n he_o trifle_n about_o make_v that_o word_n feast_n to_o be_v mean_v only_o the_o sacrament_n after_o he_o have_v grant_v it_o be_v but_o a_o part_n thereof_o as_o it_o be_v one_o ordinance_n with_o the_o other_o of_o gospel_n worship_n he_o quote_v mr._n gillespy_n that_o tell_v we_o this_o feast_n can_v be_v restrain_v unto_o the_o lord_n supper_n only_o and_o mr._n rutherford_n that_o understand_v it_o of_o church_n communion_n in_o the_o dainty_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o ravenella_n that_o say_v it_o be_v take_v for_o all_o gospel_n worship_n from_o zach._n 14.16_o 17_o 18._o and_o yet_o he_o will_v go_v beyond_o his_o own_o author_n and_o prove_v with_o reason_n beyond_o they_o all_o that_o by_o this_o feast_n be_v mean_v the_o sacrament_n only_o i_o confess_v i_o have_v think_v to_o prevent_v tediousness_n to_o have_v pass_v by_o his_o reason_n but_o lest_o he_o shall_v be_v wise_a in_o his_o own_o conceit_n i_o shall_v take_v some_o notice_n of_o they_o all_o he_o say_v amount_n to_o this_o sure_o it_o be_v not_o a_o civil_a feast_n nor_o a_o moysaicall_a feast_n but_o mean_v of_o
this_o to_o juridical_a suspension_n distinct_a from_o excommunication_n as_o it_o be_v usual_o practise_v in_o some_o church_n indeed_o mr._n collins_n need_v not_o have_v be_v so_o hasty_a in_o asperse_v mr._n boteman_n pag._n 98._o unless_o he_o can_v in_o some_o ordinary_a case_n prove_v juridical_a suspension_n from_o the_o sacrament_n distinct_a from_o excommunication_n the_o which_o he_o have_v not_o yet_o do_v and_o it_o be_v a_o great_a question_n whether_o he_o ever_o will_v or_o can_v it_o be_v true_a that_o our_o church_n in_o prudence_n leave_v the_o deny_v of_o the_o sacrament_n to_o some_o to_o the_o discretion_n of_o particular_a minister_n as_o he_o allege_n but_o then_o let_v i_o tell_v you_o this_o do_v not_o reach_v the_o argument_n for_o 1._o this_o be_v only_o in_o case_n of_o obstinacy_n be_v deal_v with_o all_o by_o the_o minister_n who_o be_v by_o the_o canon_n and_o rubric_n of_o the_o church_n authorize_v thus_o to_o do_v 2._o such_o act_n of_o discipline_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o church_n judgement_n and_o censure_n afterward_o the_o person_n conceive_v themselves_o wrong_v may_v complain_v and_o those_o minister_n be_v liable_a to_o be_v censure_v for_o go_v beyond_o the_o rule_n as_o some_o have_v be_v suspend_v from_o officiate_a themselves_o for_o put_v person_n by_o upon_o slender_a proof_n even_o such_o as_o their_o ordinary_a upon_o hear_v do_v not_o judge_v competent_a 3._o the_o church_n urge_v the_o act_n of_o receive_v as_o a_o necessary_a duty_n incumbent_a upon_o all_o of_o year_n and_o upon_o that_o ground_n both_o earnest_o exhort_v all_o to_o come_v and_o punish_v those_o that_o careless_o neglect_v it_o 4._o the_o church_n jurisdiction_n consist_v of_o excommunication_n only_o in_o case_n of_o obstinacy_n but_o in_o case_n of_o penitency_n admonition_n and_o public_a penance_n the_o offender_n confession_n of_o his_o sin_n humble_o in_o the_o body_n of_o the_o church_n crave_v the_o forgiveness_n of_o their_o sin_n 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not_o deny_v but_o must_v yield_v it_o what_o say_v i_o then_o that_o the_o idol_n be_v any_o thing_n or_o that_o which_o be_v offer_v in_o sacrifice_n to_o idol_n be_v any_o thing_n he_o grant_v they_o that_o still_o which_o they_o so_o much_o stand_v upon_o but_o yet_o he_o say_v this_o be_v something_o that_o the_o thing_n which_o the_o gentile_n sacrifice_v they_o sacrifice_v unto_o devil_n and_o not_o to_o god_n and_o i_o will_v not_o that_o you_o shall_v have_v fellowship_n with_o devil_n that_o be_v the_o consequence_n and_o here_o lie_v the_o argument_n if_o as_o you_o be_v christian_n by_o eat_v the_o institute_v bread_n you_o have_v communion_n together_o and_o partake_v of_o christ_n the_o end_n of_o that_o bread_n then_o as_o you_o eat_v and_o partake_v with_o the_o gentile_n in_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v consecrate_v and_o sacrifice_v to_o the_o devil_n you_o have_v communion_n with_o devil_n or_o as_o israel_n which_o eat_v of_o the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o altar_n be_v partaker_n of_o the_o altar_n even_o so_o christian_n with_o heathen_n that_o eat_v of_o the_o thing_n sacrifice_v unto_o devil_n be_v partaker_n of_o devil_n this_o by_o consequence_n be_v a_o great_a evil_n than_o they_o be_v aware_a of_o and_o therefore_o he_o tell_v they_o i_o will_v not_o that_o you_o shall_v have_v fellowship_n with_o devil_n which_o have_v they_o be_v aware_a of_o doubtless_o they_o will_v have_v decline_v it_o the_o apostle_n have_v thus_o bring_v the_o sin_n home_o by_o such_o a_o argument_n that_o can_v not_o be_v evade_v than_o he_o conclude_v from_o hence_o that_o you_o can_v drink_v of_o the_o cup_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o of_o the_o cup_n of_o devil_n you_o can_v be_v partaker_n of_o the_o table_n of_o the_o lord_n and_o of_o the_o table_n of_o devil_n do_v you_o provoke_v the_o lord_n to_o jealousy_n be_v you_o strong_a than_o he_o etc._n etc._n vers_fw-la 21_o 22._o well_o now_o we_o be_v come_v to_o the_o place_n that_o mr._n collins_n make_v 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