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A15732	Whyte dyed black. Or A discouery of many most foule blemishes, impostures, and deceiptes, which D. Whyte haith practysed in his book entituled The way to the true Church Deuyded into 3 sortes Corruptions, or deprauations. Lyes. Impertinencies, or absurd reasoninges. Writen by T.W. p. And dedicated to the Vniuersity of Cambridge. Cum priuilegio.	Worthington, Thomas, 1549-1627.	1615 (1615)	STC 26001; ESTC S120302	117,026	210

much as intimated here at all And what praises are here ascribed to the Scriptures may truly belonge vnto them after we are assured of their being and expositions by the warrant of Gods Church Thus we fynde that the further we enter into our ministers booke the greater ouercharge of bootelesse and vnnecessary testimonies do euer present them selues to vs manifesting vnto the iudiceous and obseruant Reader that this worke though the first borne of his braine is abortiue imperfect and weake from all which stoare of impertinent proofes thus vauntingly by him alledged demonstratiuely forsooth to confirme what he still pretendeth to prooue We may euict one irrefragable demonstration ex posteriori to wit that M. Whyte is absolutly ignorant in the doctrine of demonstrations The 5. Paragraph Wherein are examined strange kindes of arguinges against the authority of the Church M. Whyte labouring to depresse the Churches auuhority and euer more and more venting out his venome and poysen against her in the some of that good spirit wherein he speaketh vndertaketh pag. 126. some others following to proue that the teaching of the Church is to be examined for so he entituleth those leaues As also he saith It is necessary for euery particuler man to examine and iudge of the thinges the Church teacheth him thus geuing the raynes to euery priuate and ignorant fellow vnder the tecture pretext of gods secret illuminations to iudg his owne iudg and so to call in question the reputation honour of her from whose chast loynes euen him self is at least originally descended But that we may better see how little conducing his testimonies alledged are to the purpose let vs first set downe what the Catholickes do freely graunt teach in this point They ioyntly teach that the bound of subiecting ones self to the Churches Authority is properly incumbent vpon Christians who are made members of the Church by baptisme and consequently do owe their obedience thereunto and not vpon infidels or Iewes who are not obliged to embrace Christian Religion except they see it confirmed by miracles or some other enforcing reasons of credibility Neuerthelesse though an heritike do sinne in doubting of the Churches Authority yet supposing that his doubt and sinne he doth not euill to examine the doctrine of the Church according to the Scriptures if so be he procedeth herein onely with a desyre of fynding the truth Now let vs see what Authorities M. Whyte alledgeth to proue his former positions First he vrgeth those wordes of the Apostle Try all thinges hould that which is good As also those of our Sau. If any man will do the will of God he shall know of the doctrine whether it be of God or whether I speake of my self And againe that of S. Iohn Derely beloued beleue not euery spirit but try the spirits whether they be of God In like sort those wordes of Christ. Beware of false prophets by their frutes you shall know them And finally besides the example of the men of Beraea searching the Scriptures he vrgeth that where the Apostle counseleth the Hebrewes that Through longe custome they should haue their wittes exercised both to discerne good and euill But for greater perspicuity let vs shape one or two of these textes to the true point here of the question Thus then Try all thinges and hould what is good therefore euery priuate man may vndertake to censure the whole Church of God Which wordes indeede do not presse the doubt seeing both those wordes and that place of S. Iohn c. 4. are directed properly to such onely to whom it belongeth to trye and examine both doctrine and spirits to wit not to euery particuler member of the Church but onely to the Bishops and Pastors thereof who are Speculatores domus Israel Againe if by this text euery priuate man may trye reiect or allow all thinges at his pleasure then may he reiect or allow as him self thinketh good the holy Scriptures for in the former wordes of the Apostle there is no limitation at all But to procede to an other text Beware of false prophets by their frutes you shall knowe them therefore euery priuate man is to examine the doctrine of all the Prophets and Pastors of the Church assembled together in a lawfull generall Councell Againe the men of Berea who were no Christians were allowed to trye the doctrine of S. Paule therefore euery Christian who by force of his second birth or regeneration is made a member and sonne of the Church may examine controule and reiect the publick faith of the said Church Doctor-lyke inferred as if there were no disparity herein betwene him who is not a Christian consequently acknowledgeth not any submission or reuerence to gods Church and an other who is a Christian and therefore in his baptisme doth implicitly resigne him self and his Iudgment to the Authority of the Church With the lyke want of connection or true referēce M. Whyte presseth to the same purpose the testimonies of certaine auncient Fathers whose drift in such their writinges was to wish men to examine by the Scriptures the doctrine of priuate and particuler men lest as the Apostle saith Circumferantur omni vento doctrinae all which he will needes extend to the discussing of the doctrine of the whole Church And thus particulerly he alledgeth that saying of S. Chrysostome Seeing we take the Scriptures which are so true and plaine it will be an easy matter for you to iudge And tell me hast thou any wit or iudgment For it is not a mannes part barely to receaue whatsoeuer he heareth Say not I am no scholler and can be no Iudg I can condemne no opinion for this is but a shift c. The scope onely of which place is as is said to refute the doctrine of euery new sectary euen from the Scriptures a course which we willingly admit and allow Thus you see how our minister is not ashamed to peruert and detort the graue Authotitie of this auncient Father But here the Reader is to vnderstand that M. W. his cheif proiect in this first part of his booke is to depresse with all contempt scorne the venerable authority of the Church For the more facilitating whereof he masketh this his intent vnder the shadow of ascribing all reuerence and honour to the Scriptures both for their sufficiency as contayning expresly all thinges necessary to saluation as also for their absolute Soueraignty and Prerogatiue in determininge inappealeably all controuersies of faith and religion whatsoeuer The which course is not embraced by him or any other sectary so much for any peculier honour they beare to the Scriptures But that by this sleight and euasion they may declyne the waight and force of all proofes authorities deduced either frō the vnanimous consent of Fathers from Oecumenicall and generall Councels or vnintermitted practise of the Church And so all doubtes of Faith being for their proofes

or before shall refuse to obey the same but for that neare to the tyme of Antichrist and consummation of the worlde there is lyke to be a greate reuolt of Kingdomes people and Prouinces from the open externall obedience communion thereof c. when for the few dayes of Antichristes reigne the externall state of the Romane Church and publick entercourse of the faithfull with the same way cease yet the due honour and obedience of Christians towardes it and Communion in heart with it and practise thereof in secret and open confession thereof if occasion requyre shall not cease no more then it doth now in the Christians of Cyprus and other places where open entercourse is forbidden Here now the parcels of this testimony which are purposly omitted do show that the Rhemistes do euen peremptorily affirme that gods Church shall neuer no not in the tyme of Antichristes greatest persecutions be latent and inuisible Thus doth our M. you see vpon a sudaine breake of with the Rhemistes in alledging their wordes yet after some lyne or two curteously ioyneth with them againe and then after that once more vnkindly leaues them to them selues all this in one poore testimony And here good reader thou art to take notice of an other sleight of our minister touching this particuler place For whereas he in the first Edition of his booke which I here folow setteth downe the Rhemistes wordes as thou seest aboue in no sorte intimating that any one word of their said testimony is pretermitted he in some other of his Editions as it should seme being aduertised that this his egregious corruption was espyed by his aduersaries thought therefore in some sort to salue the matter haith at the last wordes where he breaketh of from the rest of the whole sentence added a virgula or lyne as this ingeniously forsoth to acknowledge that he omitteth some part of the sentence But this I say auaileth him nothing for first it doth not warrant his sincerity in his first Edition Againe though in alledging of a testimony we are not bound to set down euery word thereof yet as I haue before premonished that which is omitted ought to be impertinent to the mayne point for which the testimony is produced But subtily to pretermit with an c. or some such like marck that which punctually doth touch or explicate the true sence of the sentence alledged that directly contrary to that construction there pretended as here it falleth out it is no lesse then most impious corrupting and corrading of other mens writinges And therfore I say M. Whyte is nothing aduantaged hereby but doth for the tyme plaster one euill with an other euill but no meruell for it is a high mistery amongst heritikes to support deceipt with deceipt till at the length all do tumble downe with it owne weight and so erit nouissimus error petor priori Mat. 7. Thr 3 Paragraph S. Augustine corrupted concerning the same subiect of the Churches inuisibility In lyke sort pag. 103. he alledgeth S. Augustine de bap con Don. li. 6. ca. 4. thus to say The Church may be so obscured that the members thereof shall not know one an other S. Augustines wordes are these none other Idem spiritus Sanctus ea dimitit qui datus est omnibus sanctis sibi Charitate cohaerentibus siue se nouerint corporaliter siue non nouerint The same holy Ghost which it geuen to all the Sainctes or holy men agreing together in Charity whether they know one an other or not remitteth the sinnes But what is this to the inuisibility of the Church or by what Sintax or Grammar can M. W. translate thus the former latin lynes Finally by what sublimation or art can he extract such a refyned sence from the bare minerals of the former wordes Neither can he slubber the mater ouer in saying that he here gathereth onely some necessary Illation prouing the Churches latency for the sentence alledged by him is set downe in a different letter of caracter frō his owne and he there perticularly geueth them as the very wordes Now S. Augustine in that place doth not so much as glance at the Churches visibility or inuisibility but there showing how sinnes are remitted as effectually by the bad preistes as the vertuous proueth it by Anology of reason to wit that the power of the holy Ghost may aswell be geuen to a wicked Preist as to a good and vertuous as it is geuen alyke to all the godly though they know not one an other But M. Whyte fynding that parcell of the sētence sine nouerint se corporaliter siue non nouerint to be ment of the faithfull and vertuous thought presently that he lighted vpon a bootie and so hoping thereby to entrappe the incautelous reader was the more easely induced to create the world of this his deprauation out of a mere nothing of a sound of wordes And thus farre of his corruptions touching the Churches inuisibility from the mantayning whereof we Catholickes do so far disclame as that euen in the most tempesteous and raging tymes of persecution that either haue or shall happen we acknowledg innumerable members thereof to be euer visible and in faith permanent and vnmoueable for we reade that the beames of the house of Christ his Spouse are Cedars the rafiens are of firre Can. ● The 4. Paragraph Doctor Stapleton abused in behalfe of the Protestantes markes of the Church The next corruption which I here will shew shall be concerning the markes of the Church whear● he to proue that we absolutely embrace the markes thereof deliuered by the Protestantes to wit the proaching of the word as acknowledging it to be a more infallible marke to euery Christian then our Catholicke markes are Antiquity Succession Vniuersality c. all which notes he after endeuoreth to confute To this end I say pag. 105. he produceth Doctor Stapleton thus wryting princip doctrinal li 1. ca. 22. The preaching of the Gospell is the proper and a very cleare note of the Catholick Church so it be done by lawfull Ministers Mark heare how he declareth this authors meaning by concealing the wordes in him that there are immediatly subioyned for thus that Catholick Doctor Praedicationem Euangelii We graunt that the preaching of the Gospell by lawfull Ministers is a very cleare and proper note of the Catholick Church H●c est enim ordinaria c for by this is that ordinary and perpetuall Succession of Bishops Preistes and Pastors d●ryued in a continued order euen from the Apostles them selues to vs. From which latter part of the sentence purposly omitted by M. W. it is euident that D. Stapleton doth allow the preaching of the Gospell by lawfull pastors so far forth onely to be a note of the Church as it is included in the Catholick note of Succession and in no other sence which point is made more cleare besides his mayne drift in that Chapter diuers others of

at all and lying vpon the ground in steed of a bed 11 Abstinence from flesh wyne other dainty meates vpon deuotion 12 Keping set houres of prayer as in the morning at the Third the Sixt the Ninth Evensong and a Midnight 13 The difference of litle and greate sinnes 14 The vnlearned reading the Scriptures hauing a learned mā for their Maister 15 The learnedst confessing their doubtinge and ignorance in their explication of the Scriptures 16 Bishopes and Preist● a singing carying of Candles in the day tyme at the burials of the dead 17 Church seruice song vsed in the Hebrew Greeke Latin and Syrian language● And for the Conclusion as including many thinges in one remember S. Ieromes prayer made to S. Paula after her death Vale o Paula Cultoris tui vlt●●am senectu●●● orationibus iuua fides opera tua Christo te sociant praesens facilius quod postulas imp●trabis And now let any man iudge whether S. Ierome was a papist as also what wisdome learning or honesty M. Whyte sheweth in objecting that which but truly seene and considered doth manifestly confound and condemne himselfe The 2. Paragraph S. Cyrill of Alexandria abused for the same purpose It was the reproch saith Whyte pag. 22 that Iulian the Tpostatalaide on Christians that their women were medlers with the Scriptures and from him the papistes haue borrowed it for which he cyteth Cyril Alex. Iul. l. 6 If our Minister had cyted Iulian reprehending the auncient Christians of his tyme for not Adoring Iubiter adoring the Crosse and making the signe thereof in their forheades and vpon houses the lawfulnes and profit wherof S. Cyrill defendeth he might haue truly shewed what him self other heritikes had borrowed from Iulian in impugning the worship of the Crosse and signing therwith but in that which he obiecteth in the behalf of women medling with Scriptures him selfe borroweth from Iulian the libertie of lyinge for Iulian onely reprehendeth Christ and his Apostles for that for that they propoūded the heauēly preaching vnto all calling vnto their doctrine men and women of baifer sorte which S Cyrill defendeth shewing thereby the benignity of our Sauiour but as for mention of the Scriptures or women medling therewith he haith no word at all our black-whyte haith only inuented it to proue him self a true Apostata Chapter 3. Concerning the Church the Pope The 1. Paragraph Vincentius Li●inensis wilfully corrupted in proofe that the true Church may erre WE will now take into our consideration his corrupt proceding concerning the supposed generall erring of the whole Church not remembring that in regard of Christes solicitude care affection to his Spouse it is said Cant. 1. My welbeloued is a cluster of Cypre vnto me in the vyneyardes of Engaddi That the vniuersall Church may erre he laboreth to euict from the testimony of old Vincentius Lirinensis whom our minister pag. 83. maketh thus to speake Aduers proph nouit ca. 4. Not onely some portion of the Church but the whole Church it selfe is blotted with some new contagion Obserue the true wordes of this Father and then you can not but admyre to fynd such Blacknes in Whyte and such perfidiousnes in him who styleth him self a minister of Gods word for thus the wordes doe lye in latin Quod si nouella aliqua contagio non iam portiunculam tantum sed toram pariter ecclesiam commaculare conetur What is to be done if some contagion shall endeuour to blot not any one parte but the whole Church then saith he further must a mā be carefull to cleeue to antiquity Now here our D. abuseth his reader in two sortes one way in concealing the word Conetur and so commaculare conetur he translateth is blotted and consequently making Vincentius to confesse for our minister most impudently saith that the whole Church is actually blotted with some contagion of heresy whereas at the most he saith that heresy may endeuour to blott the whole Church But who knoweth not that euery thing which is endeuored to be effected is not actually effected Another way in deliuering these wordes in a Categoricall and absolute Ennuntiation which are Hypotheticall or spoken merely of a supposal as appeareth by the first wordes Quid si which M. Whyte thought good not to translate The difference of which two kind of propositions is very markable as euery yong Sophister knoweth as for example if a man do say what if diuers of Suffolk do report that M. Whyte is extremely geuen to his bely to Epicurisme and to say Diuers of Suffolke reporte that M. Whyte is extremely geuen to his bely and to Eicurisme where we see the first is merely of a doubtfull surmise and supposition the second is a peremptory and absolute proposition that they do so reporte● the truth or falshode whereof notwithstanding any intelligence whatsoeuer I here quietly passe ouer The 2. Paragraph The Rhemistes corrupted for the Churches inuisibility Now to the next point which consisteth in the mantayning of a Mathematicall aety inuisible Church for the vphoulding whereof among others he strengthneth his cause with the supposed confession of the Rhemistes thus bringing the whole Colledg of Rhemes vpon the stage to speake in the dialect of protestantes and so sorteably thereto he styleth that page 88. and some other pages in this maner The Papists also say the Church it inuisible The words wherwith he chargeth thē in this point are these vpon the 2. Thes. ca. 2. It is very lyke be it spoken vnder the correction of Gods Church and all learned Catholickes that this great defection or reuolt shall not be onely from the Romane Empyre but especially from the Romane Church and withall from most pointes of Christian Religion for that neare to the tyme of Antichrist and the consummation of the worlde there is lyke to be a great reuolt of Kingdomes People and Prouinces from the externall open obedience and communion thereof For the few dayes of Antichrists reigne the externall state of the Romane Church and the publick entercourse of the faithfull with the same may cease Here good Reader let me entreate thee to arest stay thyne eye and iudgment a whyle to obserue what strange corruptions he is forced to practise before he 〈◊〉 make an Israelite to speake a Babilonians language This place as you fynd it here vrged beareth a faire show to proue by the Rhemistes confession that the Church may somtymes be inuisible and yet in this very place being truly set downe in their owne wordes they doe affirme that the Church shall at no tyme be inuisible Theire true wordes are these It is very lyke be it spoken vnder correction of Gods Church and all learned Catholickes that this great defection and reuolt shall not be onely from the Romane Empyre but especially from the Romane Church and withall from most pointes of Christian religion not that the Catholick Christians either in the tyme of Antichrist