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A88943	Church-government and church-covenant discussed, in an answer of the elders of the severall churches in New-England to two and thirty questions, sent over to them by divers ministers in England, to declare their judgments therein. Together with an apologie of the said elders in New-England for church-covenant, sent over in answer to Master Bernard in the yeare 1639. As also in an answer to nine positions about church-government. And now published for the satisfaction of all who desire resolution in those points.	Mather, Richard, 1596-1669.; Mather, Richard, 1596-1669. Apologie of the churches in New-England for church-covenant.; Peters, Hugh, 1598-1660.; Davenport, John, 1597-1670.	1643 (1643)	Wing M1270; Thomason E106_8; Thomason E106_9; ESTC R18913	104,756	140

particular Congregation 1 Cor. 5 4 14. 23. 11. 17. 20. and having power of judgeing her own Members as all visible Churches have yet had no power of Judgeing any but such as were within that particular Congregation as all them they had power to judge whether they were believers in Christ or no. Mr. B●i●● as we said before is very large and cleare in proving this Position that the Churches instituted by Christ and the Apostles were only such as might meet in one Congregation ordinarily and answers many objections to the contrary Di●ces tryal Q. 1. 4. For the Question it selfe we hold that every believer if possibly he can is alwayes bound to joyne himselfe as a Member to some particular Congregation or other and yet not because else he is a Heathen and Publican or out of possibilitie of salvation as this Question suggests but upon other grounds 1. Because of the Commandment of God Cant. 1. 8. Math. 6. 10. 33. 2. Because willingly not to doe this is a secret disparagement to the wisdome of God that hath ordained Churches with giving power and privilegdes therunto Mat. 18. 17. 1 Cor. 5. 4. and promises of his gracions presence to be with them and amongst them Mat. 18. 20. Rev. 2. 1. Exod. 20. 24. Now to what end were all these if believers should live and no● joyne themselves to some Church These priviledges and promises would in such case be all in vain and the mercy of God offered therin unthankfully neglected Thirdly voluntarily abstaining from joyning to the Church is noted and condemned as a sinne Heb. 10. 25. and a signe of fearefull unbelievers Act. 5. 13. of the rest durst no man joyne unto them Fourthly good men in Scripture have been forward in practise this way Isay 2. 2 3. Zach. 8. 23. Act. 2. 41 42. and 9. 26. and have mourned with much bitternesse when they have been deprived of Liberty so to doe Isay 56. 3. and Ps 42. and 63. and 84. Fiftly this joyning is a part of that Order and orderly walking which is required of believers Col. 2. 5. 1 Cor. 14. 40. Sixtly If Believers doe neglect this joyning it is not onely a wrong to themselves but also a great unkindnesse to God for if one believer may doe this why not another and if two why not three foure c. and if all believers should doe thus God should have no visible Churches upon Earth unles he will acknowledge the Assemblies to be of unbelievers Churches foras stones in the Mountains are not an house untill they be joyned together though they be digged up out of the Quarry and squared hewn and hereby are made fit to be joyned together and so to become an house so believers are not a Church till they be joyned in holy Covenant in some Congregation though the worke of Grace and Faith in their soules have made them fit and meete to be a Church of God which is the House of the living God or as the humane soule and body are not a man unlesse they be united so Christian or believers are not a visible Church without visible union into some particular Congregation Mr. Perkins having said that forth of the militant Church there are no meanes of salvation no preaching of Gods word no invocation of Gods Name no Sacraments and therefore no Salvation concludes with these words For this cause every man must be admonished evermore to joyn himselfe to some particular Church being a sound Member of the Catholick Church Expos of Creed in the Article of the Church and Doctor Ames gives 6. Reasons why every Christian should ioyne himselfe to some particular Church or other Cas Cons● L. 4. c. 24. Q. 1. and in another place he hath these words Illi igitur qui occasion●● habent adjungendi sese Ecclesiae ●am negligunt gravissimè peccant non tantum in Deum ratione Institutionis sed etiam in suas proprias animas ratione benedictionis adjunctae etsi obstinatè persistant in ipsa incu●ia quicquid alias profitentur vix possunt haberi pro fidelibus Regnum Dei verè quaerentibus Medul Theol. l. 1. c. 32. Sect. 28. First whereas this 13th Question speakes of private and illiterate persons into a Church Body combined wee looke at this as an incongruous expression if not a contradiction For a company so combined as to make a Church are not fitly called private though they be illiterate in respect of humane learning in as much as a Church or a Church-body especially in times and places of peace and liberty is a publike Congregation and society and the acts of Communion which they have among themselves such as is the election and deposing of Ministers whereof the Question makes mention are not private acts but publike or people-like Neither are literate or learned men therefore publike because they are indued with humane learning unlesse withall they be called to publike office or imployment in Church or Common-wealth and therefore if illiterate be an exegesis of private we conceive that exegesis is not good Secondly whereas this Question asketh Whether it be lawfull and convenient that such a company should themselvs ordinarily examine elect ordain and depose their owne Ministers if ordinarily be as much as frequently we answer three things First that if one Church doe frequently come to such actions that is to take in and put out the same men this is not without suspition of much levity and rashnesse in the people or unfaithfulnesse or unworthy walking in the Ministers or both and therefore ordinar●ly that is frequent taking in and putting out againe in this manner is as much as may be to be avoided Secondly when such things doe often and frequently fall out it is doubtlesse a Judgement of God upon such a people to have so many changes in their Ministers as was that of which it was said three shepheards have I cut off in one moneth Zach. 11. 8. that People should be so oft as sheep having no Shepheard for the transgression of a land many are the Princes thereof Pro. 28. 2. So in like sort for the transgressions of a Church many are the Ministers thereof we meane when they have many Ministers by the comming in and going out of the same men or the removing of some and the taking in of others in their roome for otherwise it is a blessing of God when a Church is furnished with variety of Ministers at the same time Acts 13. 1. 21. 18. Phil. 1. 1. Thirdly yet this word ordinarily doth seeme to imply that in your judgement sometimes this may be lawfull and convenient to be done Now upon the same ground on which it may be done sometimes upon the same it may be done at other times if there be just occasion Thirdly for the assistance of the Ministers of other Churches of which this Question maketh mention if this be onely by way of counsell or advice we know nothing unlawfull or

the proper fruit and effect of the word Preached by a Minister alone and that by vertue of his Office alone or that it is alike common to ministers and Lay persons so they be gifted to preach 30. Whether all and every of your Churches including Plimouth c. do precisely observe the same course both in Constitution and Government of themselves 31. VVhether would you permit any Companie of Ministers and People being otherwise in some measure approvable to sit downe by you and set up and practise another forme of Discipline enioying like libertie with your selves in the Common-wealth and accepted as a sister Church by the rest of your Churches 32. VVhether hold you it lawfull to use any set forms of Prayer in publique or private as the Lords prayer and others either made by himselfe that useth the same or else by some other man THE ANSWERS TO THE Aforegoing QUESTIONS The first Question Answered ALL the English and others also are freely admitted to be present in our Congregations at the reading of the Scriptures and exposition thereof which is wont alwayes to goe along therewith at the preaching of the word singing of Psalmes Prayers Admitting of Members and dispencing of Censures And many also are admitted to Church Communion and so to partake in Church Ordinances and priviledges as Sacraments power of Election Censures c. though many also there are who are not yet admitted to this Church Communion But whether is the greater number those that are admitted hereunto or those that are not we cannot certainly tell But in the Churches in the Bay where most of us are best acquainted we may truely say that for the heads of Families those that are admitted are farre more in number then the other besides whom there are likewise sundry children and Servants that are Admitted also And for the Reason● why many are not yet received to Church Communion they are sundry 1. Many are not admitted because they are not yet knowne Every yeare hitherto God hath replenished the Country with many new commers and these at the first are not suddainly taken in as Members of Churches till by time there have been some triall of them and better occasion to know them what they are Sometimes once a yeare there are in the Land many hundreds and some thousands of this sort 2. When by time they come to be knowne many do appeare to be carnall and give no Testimony of being Members of Christ and therefore if they should offer themselves to be Members of Churches the Churches would not see Warrant to receive them because the Church is the body of Christ 3. Some that are Godly do of their own accord for a time forbeare to offer themselves till they be better acquainted with the Church and Ministry where they intend to joyne and with the wayes in which the Churches walke in this Country and and till they be better informed what are the duties of Church Members 4. Those that are knowne to be Godly are all admitted in some Church or other presently upon their own desire when they offer themselves thereto except any have given offence by walking in any particular in their Conversation otherwise then becomes the Gospell and then such are to give satisfaction to them to whom they have given offence by acknowledgeing their offence and shewing repentance for it and then they are Admitted It is one thing what Churches ought to be by the appointment of Jesus Christ another what weaknesse and swerving● from his appointment he may beare withall for a time before he renounce and cast off a People from being his Church In respect of the former our Answer is That when a Visible Church is to be e●rected planted or constituted by the Appointment of Christ it is necessary that the matter of it in regard of quality should be Saints by calling Visible Christians and Believers 1 Cor. 1. 2. Eph. 1. 1. And in respect of Quantity no more in number in the dayes of the New Testament but so many as may meet in one Congregation 1 Cor. 11. 20 14. 23. Acts 14. 27. 15. 22 30. And the forme a gathering together of these visible Christians a combining and uniting of them into one body by the bond of an holy Covenant for which we refer you to the Apolgie of the Churches in N. E. sent the last yeare in way of Answer to Mr. Bernard For the latter we deny not but visible Churches rightly constituted at the first may degenerate and great corruptions may grow therein both in respect of matter and forme and likewise in respect of their walking and Administrations and yet the Lord in his patience may beare long with them before he give them a Bill of Divorce and make them Lo-ammi not a People as the example of the Church of Israel in the old Testament Of the Church of Corinth the Churches of Galatia the 7 Churches of Asia and others in the New Testament doe abundantly manifest But what degrees of corruption may be before the soule as it were and life and being of a Church be destroyed is hard for us precisely and punctually to determine or to say thus farre a Church may erre and yet remaine a Church but if it proceed any further then it ceaseth to be a Church any more onely in the generall this we observe the Lord doth not presently cast off a Church or give them a Bill of Divorce no not for fundamentall errors in Doctrine or Idolatry in Worship or Tyranny in Government till after obstinate and rebellious rejection of Reformation and the meanes thereof for all these were found in the Church of Israel when they crucified Christ yet the Apostles rejected them not till after the light of Grace offered and blasphemously rejected Acts 13. 45 46. But if your selves have so Studied this point as to have ripened and formed thoughts therein we should gladly receive light from you We do not know any visible Church of the N. T. properly so called but onely a particular Congregation and therefore when this Question in the first and last clause of it speakes of Believers within the visible Church as Members thereof although they be not Members of that particular Congregation where for the present they reside nor of any other this speech seemes to us according to our apprehension to imply a contradiction They that are within the visible Church as Members thereof must needs be Members of some particular Congregation because all visible Churches are Congregationall as Mr. Baine sheweth at large from the Church of Antioch Act. 14. 27. the Church at Corinth 1 Cor. 11. 14. and other examples and Reasons with Answers to the objections to the contrary in his Dioces Triall Quest 1. Whereto we referre you in this Point neither is he alone in this Tenent for Mr. Parker and many other teach the same Those silenced and deprived Ministers that wrote the Booke called The Christian and

modest offer of Disputation laying downe 16. Propositions which they offer to maintaine against the Prelats give this for the fourth of them viz. There is no true visible Church of Christ but a particular ordinary Congregation onely Doubtlesse every true visible Church hath power from Christ to exercise Excommunication and other Ordinances of Christ so that they proceed therein according to the Rules of the word 1 Cor. 5. 4. 5. Mat. 18. 17. Now Dr. Whitakers sheweth against Bellarmine that Excommunication belongs not to the universall Church but onely to a particular Congregation Qui justè excommunicantur saith he co satanae traditos esse concedimu● non t●men posse pr●priem D●●i eject●s ex Ecclesia Catholica Quia Excommunicatio non Catholica sed particularis Ecclesiae censura est De Eccles Qu. 1. c. 6. Wherefore if Excommunication which belongs to the visible Church belongeth to a particular Congregation it followeth that there is no visible Church but onely a particular Congregation Secondly As all visible Believers are not without Christ but in Christ according as they are believers so we easily grant that those without of whom the Apostle speakes 1 Cor. 5. were unbelievers Pagans and Heathens both without Christ and also without the visible Church For those that were in Christ and believers in Him were not wont to abstaine from joyning to some particular Congregation or other and so it come to passe that as they were in Christ by their Faith so by such joyning they became also to be within the visible Church 3. But this we conceive is cleare also that unlesse Believers be Members of this or that particular Congregation to whose inspection and Government they have commended themselves in the Lord they also in some respect may be said to be without that is without the jurisdiction and power of the visible Church and without right to the priviledges of it as long as they continue in that State for the Church hath nothing to do either to dispence censures and Church priviledges to Pagans who are without all Churches and without Christ also or to such Christians who though they are not without Christ yet are not within any particular Church for neither the Church nor the Ministers thereof may be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And though those without of whom the Apostle speakes 1 Cor. 5. were Pagans and Heathens both without Christ and without the visible Church also yet when hee speaketh of Judgeing and saith they might judge them that are within and not judge them that are without hee must not be understood as if he meant it simply of being in Christ or without Christ and no more then so but also of being in that particular Congregation and without it for it is plaine that those that were in Christ if they were not also within their particular Congregation they had nothing to do to judge them and those that were within their particular Congregation them they might judge though they were not in Christ 4. And that Church priviledges do not belong to Believers as such but onely to such as withall are Members of some particular Church the Grounds and Reasons in the Answer to the third and fourth Proposition sent the last yeare do seeme to us to make manifest whereto we do referre you for further Answer to this Question It is an opinion of the Anabaptists that the Church is made by Baptisme and therefore when they constitute or erect a Church they do it by being all of them Baptized which was the manner of Mr. Smith Mr. Helwis and the rest of that company when they set up their Church The Papists also do imagine that men enter into the Church by Baptisme and it is said that their Founts were set neere the doores of their Temples to signifie mens entring into the Church by Baptisme and they thought themselves to be christened or made christian soules by being Baptized But we do not believe that Baptisme doth make men Members of the Church nor that it is to be Administred to them that are without the Church as the way and meanes to bring them in but to them that are within the Church as a seale to confirme the Covenant of God unto them For 1. This is one point of the dignity and priviledge of the Church that Baptisme and all Church Ordinances are given and committed to it as Circumcision and Church Ordinances were given and concredited to the Church of the Jewes Ioh. 7. 22. Now if Baptisme in its first being and institution be given as a benefit and priviledge to the Church then Baptisme is not that which makes the Church but the Church is presupposed and must be before it for the dones or persons to whom a thing is given must needs be before the gift that is given to them 2. The nature and use of Baptisme is to be a seale to confirme the Covenant of Grace between God and his Church and the Members thereof as circumcision also was Rom. 4. 11. Now a seale is not to make a thing that was not but to confirme something that was before and so Baptisme is not that which gives being to the Church nor to the Covenant but is for confirmation thereof To bring in Baptisme before the Covenant and before the Church with whom God makes the Covenant and then to bring in the Church afterwards is to make Baptisme a seale unto a Blanke or to a falshood When the Jesuits of Rhemes had said that Christ sent 12 Apostles to the Jewes to move them to penance and so by Baptisme to make them of his Church And that Paul was sent to the Gentiles to move them also to faith and penance and by Baptisme to make them of his Church This saying of making men of the Church by Baptisme though uttered by them as it were by the way and not being the chiefe scope of their discourse yet seemed to Mr. Cartwright so erroneous and unsound that hee would not let it passe without bearing speciall witnesse against the same And therefore in opposition thereunto he hath these words and in another Character for more conspicuousnesse viz. That Baptisme makes not men of the Church but sealeth their incorporation into it hath been declared afore Argument of Acts 6. 1. And that Catechisme which is commonly said to be penned by our Reverend Brother Mr. Ball or Mr. Nicholas now with God giving this for the definition of Baptisme that it is a Sacrament of our ingrafting into Christ communion with him and entrance into the Church doth in the Exposition plainely declare that when they called Baptisme a Sacrament of our entrance into the Church they did not meane that Baptisme made men Members of the Church but signified and sealed that they were Members afore The seed of Abraham say they Pag 144. Gal. 3. 7. or children of Christian Parents are within the Covenant are Christians and Members of the Church 1 Cor. 7. 14. Rom. 11. 16.