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A05037 A collection of certaine sclaunderous articles gyuen out by the bisshops against such faithfull Christians as they now vniustly deteyne in their prisons togeather with the answeare of the saide prisoners therunto. Also the some of certaine conferences had in the Fleete according to the bisshops bloudie mandate with two prisoners there. Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. aut 1590 (1590) STC 1518; ESTC S101231 40,961 58

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