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A85045 A discourse of the visible church. In a large debate of this famous question, viz. whether the visible church may be considered to be truely a church of Christ without respect to saving grace? Affirm. Whereunto is added a brief discussion of these three questions. viz. 1. What doth constitute visible church-membership. 2. What doth distinguish it, or render it visible. 3. What doth destroy it, or render it null? Together with a large application of the whole, by way of inference to our churches, sacraments, and censures. Also an appendix touching confirmation, occasioned by the Reverend Mr. Hanmore his pious and learned exercitation of confirmation. By Francis Fulwood minister of the gospel at West-Alvington in Devon. Fullwood, Francis, d. 1693. 1658 (1658) Wing F2500; Thomason E947_3; ESTC R207619 279,090 362

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mystery_n many_o eminent_a divine_n join_v issue_n hecein_o trelcatius_n trelcatius_n trelcatius_n teach_v page_n 185._o that_o materia_fw-la seu_fw-la subjectum_fw-la participans_fw-la sunt_fw-la ij_o omnes_fw-la qui_fw-la per_fw-la baptismum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la membra_fw-la facti_fw-la jam_fw-la adulti_fw-la sanam_fw-la doctrinam_fw-la profitentur_fw-la &_o sanctae_fw-la aquavitae_fw-la testimonium_fw-la habent_fw-la to_o which_o he_o add_v that_o hereby_o be_v exclude_v 1._o mortui_fw-la 2._o aegroti_fw-la moriturii_fw-la 3._o pveri_fw-la ac_fw-la infant_n 4._o qui_fw-la propter_fw-la haeresius_n &_o dissolutam_fw-la vitam_fw-la excommunicati_fw-la sunt_fw-la legitime_fw-la bucanus_n loc_fw-la come_v 48._o qu._n 8._o to_o this_o question_n quibus_fw-la est_fw-la bucanus_n bucanus_n instituta_fw-la coena_fw-la domini_fw-la answer_n non_fw-la omnibus_fw-la promiscuè_fw-fr vrsine_n cat._n quae_fw-la 8._o to_o the_o same_o question_n answer_n tantum_fw-la pii_fw-la ursin_n ursin_n 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