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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A82508	A defence of sundry positions, and Scriptures alledged to justifie the Congregationall-way; charged at first to be weak therein, impertinent, and unsufficient; by R.H. M. A. of Magd. Col. Cambr. in his examination of them; but upon further examination, cleerly manifested to be sufficient, pertinent, and full of power. / By [brace] Samuel Eaton, teacher, and Timothy Taylor, pastor [brace] of [brace] the church in Duckenfield, in Cheshire. Published according to order.	Eaton, Samuel, 1596?-1665.; Taylor, Timothy, 1611 or 12-1681.	1645 (1645)	Wing E118; Thomason E308_27; ESTC R200391	116,862	145

the old Testament for patterns for it if you can but produce one instance from the new Testament that ever Elders of one Church ordained Officers in another or any good reason for it grounded thence the controversie about ordination shall be ended betwixt us and the pattern of Numb 8. shall be waved You tell us that it is a pillar of Popery to proportion the Church now Answer to the outward policy of Israel It is notoriously known Reply that the foundation of the Antichristian Hierarchy is laid in the proportion which some would have betwixt the Jewish policy and the policie of the Christian Church yet this debarres not but that use may be made of the old Testament where the new is silent Do not you rest upon the new Testament for the change of the Seal of the Covenant and conclude Baptisme is to be imbraced in stead of Circumcision because the new is cleer in that matter and yet run to the old to finde out the latitude and extent in the application of it to the subject and conclude Infants must be baptized not because the new expressly saith so but because you finde it in the old The Jewes children were circumcised therefore Christians children must be baptized You tell us that Christs faithfulnesse above Moses Answer consists in as full determination of Gods worship in the new Testament and that we are as strictly tied to the Gospel-pattern as the Jewes were to the old Testament Why then should we in ordination of Officers be guided by the old Testament and not by the new It is our Argument against those that hold that there is no platform of discipline laid down in the new Testament Reply but that any is lawfull that the State will authorize but it was never asserted by us that all things without limitation are directly determined for we have alwayes restrained it to substantialls neither have we ever said that we have had a perfect knowledge of all things that are revealed And why should we follow the ordination of Levites rather then of Priests for a pattern for the ordination of Elders Answer except to gratifie you You cannot gratifie us by following the one or the other Reply because ye cannot advantage your selves whether of them soever ye betake your selves unto For 1. If the people laid their hands upon the Levites there were no hands at all laid upon the Priests they were anointed and consecrated and holy vestments put upon them but ordained by the imposition of hands they were not but you would not have ordination of Elders turn'd into a consecration after the manner of the Priests 2. What was done to the Priests was not performed by any Ecclesiasticall person but by Moses the chief Magistrate of the people but you are not so weary of ordination as to transferre it from the Presbyterie to the Magistracie 3. The Elders of the new Testament are rather the successors of the Levites then of the Priests because there is no Hierarchie amongst them and therefore the pattern of their ordination is rather to be followed then the ordination of the Priests and yet not to gratifie us Consult better the next time with Scripture before you proceed to such triumphing POSITION XI When the Apostles were sent out by Christ The words of the Answer to 32. q. p. 71. there was no mention of Ordination in that Commission of theirs but only of teaching and baptizing Mark 16.15 Matth. 18.19 20. If Ordination of Ministers had been such a speciall work there would be like have been some mention of it in their Commission Neither is there mention of the celebration of the Eucharist Answer The Eucharist is an ordinance Reply sealing the same Covenant that Baptisme sealeth therefore the Apostles having Commission for the one could not want it for the other though it be not mentioned Preaching and Baptizing were first to be done to the Nations Answer therefore they are there mentioned That is not the sole reason Reply but because they were principall works and in reference to the subject persons about which they were exercised more Apostolicall for they might preach and baptize in all the world whereas ordinary Officers in an ordinary way may not do such works in all the world but only in the Church We find the Apostles did practise ordination Answer and yet we suppose they went not beyond their Commission Acts 6. c. 13. 14. and a Commission to Elders we reade 1 Tim. 5. The Position saith not Reply that ordination was not within their Commission but saith That there is no mention thereof when they first received their Commission and the page out of which the Position is exerted makes mention of some other works within their Commission not mentioned viz. Prayer and Acts 6.4 is quoted for it But indeed Brother you are injurious to the Authors of those words of the Answer to 32. q. p. 71. for Ordination is not denied to be within the Commission of the Apostles but those Reverend men do grapple with Hierarchicall persons in that place and we see no reason why you should take offence thereat if you would not have your self judged to be one of them their words are these Some indeed have so highly advanced ordination that they have preferred it above preaching ministring of Sacraments Prayer making it and the power of excommunication the two incommunicable prerogatieves of a Bishop above an ordinary Minister who are these sons Prelaticall mens against them the Authors of the Position fight And first would beat them with the words of the Apostles first Commission which was to preach and to baptize and afterwards they do shew that preaching was the great work that they were to attend upon and do alledge 1 Cor. 1.17 for it and next after preaching they mention prayer and alledge Acts 6.4 and then they speak of the Sacraments not of Baptisme alone but of the Lords Supper So that Brother you had no reason to take such offence because of the Eucharist for they gave it its due place in the Apostles Commission after this they render another reason why preaching was a greater work then ordaining because Paul went about the work of preaching and left Titus an inferiour Officer to himself to the work of ordaining Indeed afterwards when those Reverend men had proved that ordination was not superiour to Preaching Baptisme c. they then indevour to shew that it is not equall to those works so as that none but those which may perform those works may ordain and they bring this Argument Ordination being nothing else but the accomplishment of Election it may be performed by the people of God who yet have no office even as Election may upon whom it depends and they bring the testimonies of many Protestant Writers among the rest D. Whitakers Answer to Bellarmine If Bellarmine grant the calling of those Bishops to be lawfull there is lesse cause why we should doubt of Ordination For those who