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A62668 To receive the Lords Supper, the actual right and duty of all church-members of years not excommunicate made good against Mr. Collins his exceptions against The bar removed, written by the author : and what right the ignorant and scandalous tolerated in the church have to the Lords Supper declared : many thing belonging to that controversie more fully discussed, tending much to the peace and settlement of the church : and also a ful answer to what Mr. Collins hath written in defence of juridical suspension, wherein his pretended arguments from Scripture are examined and confuted : to which is also annexed A brief answer to the Antidiatribe written by Mr. Saunders / by John Timson ... Timson, John.; Timson, John. Brief answer to the antidiatribe written by Mr. Saunders. 1655 (1655) Wing T1296; ESTC R1970 185,323 400

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out_o of_o his_o antecedent_n as_o will_v have_v spoil_v his_o consequence_n ●nd_v prevent_v he_o in_o urge_v those_o inconsequence_n that_o follow_v upon_o it_o in_o the_o whole_a page_n although_o i_o must_v confess_v the_o case_n he_o instance_n in_o have_v need_n to_o be_v speak_v unto_o with_o wisdom_n and_o tenderness_n so_o that_o the_o truth_n be_v not_o prejudice_v as_o to_o the_o case_n of_o member_n that_o be_v so_o notorious_o scandalous_a that_o of_o right_a aught_o to_o be_v excommunicate_a but_o be_v not_o as_o he_o instance_n in_o incest_n and_o adultery_n immediate_o before_o a_o sacrament_n he_o see_v i_o have_v large_a principle_n if_o i_o will_v admit_v such_o a_o one_o 1._o answ_n either_o such_o be_v under_o the_o suspicion_n of_o these_o sin_n or_o 2._o be_v under_o evident_a conviction_n a_o suspicion_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o ground_n church_n censure_v upon_o if_o this_o be_v
their_o child_n unto_o baptism_n if_o no_o promise_n belong_v to_o he_o to_o make_v use_n of_o as_o he_o be_v not_o his_o child_n baptism_n a_o considerable_a use_n the_o absolute_a promise_n of_o the_o first_o grace_n to_o the_o unregenerate_a be_v the_o main_a encouragement_n to_o the_o use_n of_o mean_n for_o the_o attainment_n of_o grace_n this_o be_v that_o which_o open_v a_o door_n of_o hope_n unto_o all_o and_o as_o they_o be_v sinner_n destitute_a of_o the_o work_n of_o grace_n they_o may_v right_o go_v to_o god_n and_o pray_v for_o a_o new_a heart_n and_o for_o his_o spirit_n to_o beget_v regenerate_v grace_n it_o their_o graceless_a spirit_n oh_o turn_v thou_o we_o lord_n and_o we_o shall_v be_v convert_v unto_o thou_o for_o thou_o never_o say_v to_o the_o seed_n of_o jacob_n seek_v you_o my_o face_n in_o vain_a and_o we_o be_v the_o seed_n of_o thy_o church_n and_o people_n who_o thou_o have_v promise_v to_o be_v a_o god_n unto_o and_o to_o make_v we_o thy_o people_n for_o thy_o name_n sake_n forsake_v we_o not_o but_o put_v forth_o 〈◊〉_d work_n of_o thy_o mighty_a power_n to_o open_v our_o hear●_n to_o receive_v the_o grace_n of_o thy_o promise_n we_o 〈◊〉_d object_n of_o and_o without_o which_o we_o be_v undou●_n i_o say_v ask_v and_o you_o shall_v have_v for_o the_o lor●_n will_v give_v his_o spirit_n to_o they_o that_o ask_v it_o an●_n this_o i_o hope_n be_v of_o good_a use_n to_o the_o unregenerate_a it_o be_v a_o special_a ground_n to_o pray_v for_o renew_v grace_n themselves_o and_o likewise_o for_o other_o that_o have_v grace_n to_o pray_v for_o they_o as_o minister_v for_o their_o people_n and_o parent_n for_o their_o child_n etc._n etc._n exclude_v they_o from_o these_o promise_n and_o you_o exclude_v they_o from_o your_o prayer_n for_o we_o have_v no_o warrant_n to_o pray_v for_o that_o which_o god_n do_v not_o promise_v to_o give_v my_o five_o proposition_n that_o the_o sacrament_n be_v visible_a representation_n of_o christ_n death_n on_o which_o those_o promise_n be_v found_v and_o by_o which_o they_o ●ne_a confirm_v the_o use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n belong_v to_o those_o who_o those_o promise_n do_v immediate_o respect_v unto_o this_o he_o have_v nothing_o considerable_a but_o what_o have_v be_v answer_v already_o only_o he_o grant_v the_o main_a of_o this_o and_o yet_o say_v that_o sacrament_n be_v seal_n as_o well_o as_o sign_n 1._o sacrament_n be_v seal_n as_o they_o be_v sign_n answ_n and_o not_o otherwise_o 2._o they_o be_v but_o representative_n of_o the_o real_a seal_n that_o confirm_v the_o absolute_a promise_n namely_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n and_o so_o not_o seal_n proper_o but_o by_o way_n of_o resemblance_n give_v the_o name_n to_o the_o sign_n that_o be_v only_o proper_a to_o the_o thing_n signify_v namely_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v all_o one_o to_o imagine_v the_o sacrament_n real_a seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n with_o real_a presence_n if_o i_o mistake_v not_o hence_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o which_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o sacrament_n be_v seal_n of_o but_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o promise_n of_o first_o grace_n which_o respect_v the_o unregenerate_a in_o the_o church_n therefore_o the_o use_n of_o these_o seal_n belong_v to_o they_o i_o see_v not_o but_o that_o the_o sacrament_n as_o they_o be_v seal_n to_o confirm_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o covenant_n in_o which_o be_v include_v promise_n of_o first_o grace_n to_o the_o unregenerate_a in_o the_o church_n the_o unregenerate_a may_v use_v the_o seal_n for_o their_o encouragement_n to_o wait_v upon_o god_n in_o the_o use_n of_o that_o and_o all_o ordinary_a mean_n in_o hope_n of_o the_o blessing_n of_o regenerate_a grace_n according_a to_o what_o be_v promise_v in_o the_o word_n and_o seal_v in_o the_o sacrament_n who_o else_o shall_v use_v the_o seal_n if_o not_o those_o that_o have_v a_o right_n unto_o what_o be_v seal_v shall_v not_o but_o then_o he_o 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be_v please_v to_o withhold_v the_o ordina●_n mean_v of_o their_o conversion_n from_o they_o th●_n they_o be_v object_n of_o that_o promise_n this_o be_v certain_a truth_n where_o the_o lord_n have_v a_o people_n to_o save_v he_o will_v either_o send_v his_o word_n to_o 〈◊〉_d they_o or_o bring_v they_o under_o the_o word_n by_o so●_n providence_n or_o other_o to_o that_o end_n as_o for_o tho●_n that_o be_v leave_v to_o wander_v in_o their_o own_o idolitrous_a way_n there_o be_v no_o hope_n to_o such_o if_o 〈◊〉_d gospel_n be_v hide_v it_o be_v hide_v to_o they_o that_o perish_v an●_n whereas_o mr._n collins_n say_v the_o sacrament_n belong_v only_o to_o those_o who_o by_o faith_n apply_v the_o promise●_n alas_o this_o he_o take_v for_o grant_v although_o be_v know_v we_o have_v deny_v it_o upon_o considerable_a ground_n take_v faith_n in_o his_o sense_n can_v any_o man_n imagine_v that_o all_o the_o people_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v able_a by_o faith_n to_o apply_v the_o promise_n yet_o they_o be_v all_o bind_v to_o keep_v the_o passeover_n conceive_v how_o improbable_a it_o be_v that_o all_o that_o submit_v unto_o baptism_n in_o the_o apostle_n age_n be_v able_a by_o a_o true_a say_v to_o apply_v the_o promise_n yet_o none_o be_v deny_v the_o supper_n that_o come_v under_o baptism_n do_v mr._n gollins_n think_v that_o all_o in_o our_o church_n be_v able_a by_o a_o true_a sincere_a faith_n to_o apply_v the_o promise_n yet_o we_o administer_v baptism_n unto_o their_o child_n a_o seal_n of_o the_o same_o promise_n upon_o the_o account_n of_o their_o parent_n and_o i_o very_o judge_v that_o the_o parent_n be_v in_o as_o good_a a_o capacity_n for_o the_o holy_a supper_n as_o their_o child_n be_v for_o holy_a baptism_n if_o the_o child_n right_n may_v be_v derive_v more_o remote_a then_o much_o more_o the_o parent_n of_o that_o child_n as_o be_v a_o generation_n near_o that_o right_a if_o the_o promise_n include_v the_o grand_a child_n much_o more_o his_o own_o child_n and_o wherein_o be_v the_o holy_a supper_n a_o different_a seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n from_o baptism_n so_o that_o in_o give_v baptism_n to_o their_o child_n you_o clear_o yield_v their_o right_n to_o use_v the_o supper_n provide_v they_o be_v not_o excommunicate_v but_o mr._n collins_n argue_v against_o i_o thus_o in_o his_o late_a book_n pag._n 104._o those_o who_o if_o they_o be_v heathen_n may_v not_o be_v baptize_v though_o they_o be_v baptize_v and_o in_o the_o church_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n but_o those_o who_o be_v ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a if_o they_o be_v heathen_n shall_v not_o be_v baptize_v ergo_fw-la i_o grant_v his_o minor_a be_v true_a answ_n that_o ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a heathen_n shall_v not_o be_v baptize_v but_o i_o deny_v his_o major_n that_o ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a christian_n be_v heathen_n suppose_v they_o unbaptise_v which_o they_o be_v not_o for_o i_o will_v suppose_v that_o their_o covenant_n relation_n hold_v still_o though_o they_o be_v unbaptise_v they_o be_v the_o issue_n of_o person_n in_o the_o church_n and_o they_o never_o as_o yet_o have_v renounce_v the_o covenant_n but_o adhere_v to_o the_o public_a administration_n thereof_o which_o may_v be_v the_o case_n of_o some_o in_o these_o exorbitant_a time_n for_o there_o be_v many_o a_o grow_n up_o to_o year_n of_o discretion_n that_o through_o the_o delusion_n 〈◊〉_d their_o parent_n be_v unbaptise_v the_o which_o 〈◊〉_d think_v be_v no_o heathen_a be_v christian_n bear_v nor_o cut_v off_o from_o covenant_n relation_n no●_n church-membership_a notwithstanding_o their_o parent_n wickedness_n to_o dispute_v they_o ou●_n of_o the_o covenant_n and_o consequent_o ou●_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o from_o baptism_n a_o privilege_n thereof_o
suppose_v faith_n it_o be_v sufficient_a for_o our_o opinion_n because_o all_o in_o the_o church_n do_v accept_v of_o the_o covenant_n and_o have_v faith_n and_o we_o do_v not_o plead_v for_o heathen_n until_o they_o believe_v and_o come_v under_o baptism_n but_o sure_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n confirm_v the_o everlasting_a covenant_n out_o of_o which_o faith_n with_o the_o fruit_n thereof_o free_o flow_v and_o i_o think_v sacrament_n be_v no_o other_o way_n seal_n than_o they_o be_v sign_n of_o his_o death_n as_o it_o be_v say_v this_o cup_n be_v the_o new_a covenant_n in_o my_o blood_n the_o cup_n be_v not_o real_o the_o new_a covenant_n but_o a_o sign_n thereof_o representative_o as_o i_o have_v hint_v before_o yet_o sure_o say_v mr._n collins_n those_o that_o be_v in_o a_o state_n of_o unbelief_n be_v not_o in_o covenant_n though_o they_o may_v be_v object_n of_o god_n first_o free_a grace_n answ_n if_o they_o be_v not_o in_o the_o everlasting_a covenant_n they_o can_v be_v say_v to_o be_v object_n of_o god_n first_o free_a grace_n for_o doubtless_o god_n give_v grace_n to_o none_o that_o be_v out_o of_o that_o covenant_n himself_o grant_v that_o the_o elect_v be_v enrol_v in_o the_o everlasting_a covenant_n and_o many_o of_o they_o may_v be_v in_o the_o church_n i_o hope_v though_o in_o a_o state_n of_o unbelief_n in_o his_o sense_n and_o doubtless_o it_o be_v for_o the_o elect_v sake_n that_o we_o have_v a_o external_a administration_n a_o church_n consist_v of_o most_o bad_a that_o his_o elect_a may_v be_v gather_v out_o of_o all_o sort_n of_o sinner_n and_o other_o leave_v without_o excuse_n be_v this_o wise_a contrivance_n of_o the_o ever_o bless_v god_n and_o hence_o this_o mingle_a state_n of_o good_a and_o bad_a must_v grow_v together_o until_o the_o harvest_n experience_n do_v tell_v we_o what_o precious_a wheat_n have_v spring_v out_o of_o the_o root_n of_o wicked_a tare_n and_o wicked_a tare_n have_v spring_v out_o of_o the_o root_n of_o the_o choice_a wheat_n let_v that_o convince_v we_o mr._n collins_n say_v that_o argument_n about_o baptism_n have_v be_v answer_v again_o and_o again_o the_o argument_n be_v this_o if_o parent_n that_o be_v ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a in_o the_o church_n be_v so_o much_o in_o covenant_n as_o to_o give_v their_o child_n right_a unto_o holy_a baptism_n a_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n than_o themselves_o have_v right_a to_o the_o holy_a supper_n it_o be_v but_o the_o seal_n of_o the_o same_o covenant_n the_o antecedent_n be_v grant_v by_o mr._n collins_n and_o all_o that_o be_v friend_n to_o his_o judgement_n and_o yet_o they_o deny_v the_o consequence_n because_o they_o say_v more_o be_v require_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n then_o unto_o baptism_n unto_o this_o i_o answer_v it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o in_o in_o the_o apostle_n day_n more_o be_v require_v unto_o the_o supper_n then_o to_o baptism_n of_o person_n of_o year_n it_o be_v clear_a enough_o that_o which_o prepare_v they_o for_o baptism_n bring_v they_o into_o the_o church_n and_o that_o be_v once_o within_o they_o have_v the_o privilege_n of_o the_o church_n according_o be_v without_o question_n less_o be_v require_v unto_o covenant_n seal_v of_o person_n bear_v in_o the_o church_n they_o be_v free_a bear_v to_o all_o the_o privilege_n of_o this_o spiritual_a corporation_n then_o of_o those_o that_o be_v alien_n and_o stranger_n by_o birth_n these_o obtain_v their_o freedom_n upon_o the_o term_n of_o faith_n and_o repentance_n the_o ignorant_a and_o scandalous_a be_v in_o as_o good_a a_o capacity_n of_o the_o supper_n of_o the_o lord_n as_o their_o child_n be_v of_o the_o baptism_n of_o the_o lord_n they_o be_v under_o church_n indulgence_n first_o they_o be_v in_o a_o active_a capacity_n of_o exercise_v the_o understand_a heart_n and_o conscience_n memory_n with_o all_o the_o external_o require_v unto_o that_o service_n their_o child_n be_v mere_o passive_a for_o the_o other_o second_o parent_n be_v in_o 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