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A31663 An impartial account of the Portsmouth disputation with some just reflections on Dr. Russel's pretended narrative : with an abrigdment of those discourses that were the innocent occasion of that disputation / by Samuel Chandler, William Leigh, Benjamin Robinson. Chandler, Samuel.; Leigh, William.; Robinson, Benjamin, 1666-1724. 1699 (1699) Wing C1933; ESTC R24745 96,620 125

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have_v more_o reason_n to_o hope_n the_o promise_n will_v be_v make_v good_a to_o they_o than_o other_o the_o vein_n of_o election_n frequent_o run_v in_o the_o channel_n of_o believe_a parent_n and_o their_o seed_n 5._o they_o be_v put_v into_o a_o new_a covenant_n relation_n as_o abraham_n receive_v the_o sign_n of_o circumcision_n as_o a_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n to_o himself_o and_o seed_n rom._n 4.11_o so_o this_o ordinance_n of_o baptism_n shall_v be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o righteousness_n of_o faith_n to_o believer_n and_o their_o seed_n 6._o if_o they_o die_v during_o their_o infant_n state_n they_o shall_v be_v save_v our_o saviour_n use_v this_o argument_n for_o the_o proof_n of_o the_o resurrection_n i_o be_o the_o god_n of_o abraham_n mat._n 22.32_o now_o for_o god_n to_o be_v the_o god_n of_o any_o be_v to_o distinguish_v they_o from_o other_o by_o his_o reward_n he_o do_v not_o do_v thus_o for_o abraham_n and_o his_o family_n in_o this_o world_n therefore_o there_o be_v another_o heb._n 11.16_o now_o when_o god_n be_v say_v to_o be_v a_o god_n to_o believer_n and_o their_o seed_n the_o meaning_n be_v he_o will_v be_v a_o rewarder_n of_o they_o therefore_o if_o they_o die_v in_o their_o infant_n state_n they_o have_v a_o promise_n to_o rely_v on_o that_o god_n will_v receive_v they_o to_o salvation_n whereas_o other_o must_v leave_v their_o child_n to_o the_o unfathomable_a depth_n of_o divine_a mercy_n as_o they_o do_v the_o heathen_a world_n 3._o the_o practical_a use_n of_o infant_n baptism_n beyond_o that_o of_o year_n this_o i_o do_v the_o rather_o to_o take_v off_o the_o common_a objection_n that_o infant_n baptism_n be_v a_o useless_a ordinance_n 1._o by_o baptise_v our_o infant_n we_o practical_o own_o our_o original_a pollution_n those_o baptise_a at_o r●per_a year_n own_o themselves_o sinner_n by_o practice_n but_o do_v not_o necessary_o own_o that_o there_o be_v a_o fountain_n of_o sin_n within_o but_o when_o we_o offer_v our_o child_n to_o be_v baptise_a we_o acknowledge_v that_o we_o have_v be_v instrument_n of_o convey_v pollute_a nature_n to_o our_o infant_n and_o that_o they_o need_v wash_v by_o the_o blood_n and_o spirit_n of_o christ._n thus_o the_o prophet_n set_v forth_o our_o sinful_a state_n by_o the_o pollution_n of_o a_o new_a bear_v infant_n ezek._n 16.4_o 2._o hereby_o we_o practical_o acknowledge_v the_o necessity_n of_o god_n free_a grace_n in_o order_n to_o our_o recovery_n as_o a_o infant_n can_v contribute_v to_o his_o baptism_n but_o be_v pure_o passive_a so_o we_o can_v contribute_v nothing_o by_o any_o work_n or_o merit_n of_o our_o own_o towards_o obtain_v the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o regenerate_a influence_n of_o his_o spirit_n it_o be_v not_o in_o he_o that_o will_v nor_o in_o he_o that_o run_v but_o in_o god_n that_o show_v mercy_n rom._n 9.16_o 3._o hereby_o we_o practical_o own_o christ_n universal_a headship_n that_o he_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o of_o all_o age_n sex_n and_o condition_n those_o that_o deny_v their_o child_n to_o be_v in_o covenant_n with_o god_n hereby_o deny_v they_o to_o be_v visible_a member_n of_o christ_n and_o thus_o rob_v he_o of_o a_o great_a part_n of_o his_o subject_n and_o indeed_o rob_v themselves_o of_o that_o comfort_n they_o may_v enjoy_v they_o look_v upon_o their_o infant_n as_o in_o the_o same_o case_n and_o state_n with_o the_o heathen_a world_n if_o christ_n save_v they_o it_o be_v by_o a_o prerogative_n of_o mercy_n and_o not_o as_o his_o member_n or_o covenant_n child_n but_o for_o this_o cause_n christ_n both_o died_n use_v rose_n and_o revive_v that_o he_o may_v be_v the_o lord_n of_o the_o dead_a and_o living_n rom._n 14.9_o and_o as_o christ_n whilst_o a_o infant_n himself_o be_v head_n of_o the_o church_n so_o he_o be_v please_v to_o admit_v of_o infant_n member_n in_o covenant_n with_o he_o 4._o infant_n baptism_n lay_v strong_a obligation_n on_o parent_n to_o train_v up_o their_o child_n for_o god_n certain_o it_o be_v a_o mighty_a obligation_n on_o a_o parent_n to_o consider_v 1._o i_o have_v solemn_o devote_v my_o child_n to_o god_n solemn_o promise_v before_o the_o minister_n and_o in_o the_o face_n of_o a_o great_a congregation_n that_o i_o will_v endeavour_v by_o hearty_a prayer_n serious_a instruction_n and_o a_o religious_a example_n to_o train_v up_o my_o child_n for_o god_n the_o vow_n of_o the_o lord_n be_v upon_o i_o and_o i_o shall_v add_v perjury_n to_o the_o rest_n of_o my_o sin_n if_o i_o neglect_v they_o the_o prophet_n make_v it_o a_o great_a agravation_n of_o the_o israelite_n sin_n that_o they_o have_v take_v their_o son_n and_o daughter_n that_o they_o have_v bear_v unto_o god_n and_o sacrafice_v they_o to_o idol_n ezek._n 16.21_o and_o it_o follow_v thou_o have_v slay_v my_o child_n god_n call_v they_o his_o child_n as_o bear_v in_o his_o family_n and_o solemn_o devote_v to_o he_o so_o the_o sin_n of_o christian_n will_v be_v high_o aggravate_v if_o they_o bring_v up_o their_o child_n for_o the_o destroyer_n and_o neglect_v those_o parental_a instruction_n they_o have_v oblige_v themselves_o to_o 5._o infant_n baptism_n engage_v child_n to_o acquaint_v themselves_o with_o the_o term_n and_o tenor_n of_o the_o covenant_n when_o child_n be_v tell_v by_o their_o parent_n how_o solemn_o they_o be_v enter_v into_o covenant_n with_o god_n this_o engage_v they_o to_o inquire_v betimes_o what_o they_o be_v by_o nature_n what_o they_o may_v be_v by_o grace_n and_o to_o understand_v all_o the_o principle_n of_o religion_n in_o order_n to_o that_o end_n 6._o infant_n baptism_n engage_v we_o against_o sin_n betimes_o we_o be_v prepossess_v with_o a_o happy_a prejudice_n against_o sin_n in_o our_o early_a year_n and_o this_o be_v a_o great_a advantage_n when_o hannibal_n be_v but_o 9_o year_n old_a his_o father_n make_v he_o la●_n his_o hand_n upon_o the_o altar_n and_o swear_v that_o he_o will_v be_v a_o irreconcilable_a enemy_n to_o the_o roman_n and_o this_o be_v the_o reason_n he_o will_v never_o admit_v of_o any_o peace_n with_o they_o my_o friend_n we_o be_v engage_v for_o god_n against_o sin_n and_o the_o devil_n as_o our_o irreconcilable_a enemy_n not_o at_o 9_o year_n old_a but_o in_o our_o infant_n state_n and_o this_o oblige_v we_o to_o maintain_v a_o constant_a enmity_n against_o they_o for_o ever_o 7._o infant_n baptism_n be_v a_o great_a encouragement_n for_o faith_n in_o prayer_n with_o respect_n to_o our_o child_n those_o that_o have_v dedicate_v their_o child_n to_o god_n in_o baptism_n may_v pray_v to_o god_n with_o large_a measure_n of_o faith_n and_o hope_n than_o such_o as_o have_v neglect_v this_o duty_n they_o may_v say_v lord_n i_o have_v resign_v they_o up_o unto_o thou_o bring_v they_o to_o thou_o authorize_v representative_a to_o be_v list_v into_o thy_o family_n consent_v for_o they_o to_o the_o claim_v of_o thy_o covenant_n and_o the_o token_n of_o thy_o covenant_n have_v be_v apply_v to_o they_o let_v the_o promise_n of_o thy_o covenant_n be_v make_v good_a to_o they_o they_o be_v call_v by_o thy_o name_n do_v thou_o receive_v they_o they_o be_v visible_a member_n of_o thy_o church_n oh_o give_v they_o the_o favour_n that_o belong_v to_o thy_o child_n a_o visible_a relation_n to_o god_n be_v a_o good_a encouragement_n for_o faith_n in_o prayer_n we_o be_v call_v by_o thy_o name_n thou_o bear_v not_o rule_v over_o they_o jer._n 14.9_o those_o that_o have_v not_o thus_o dedicate_v their_o child_n to_o god_n can_v only_o say_v lord_n be_v merciful_a to_o they_o though_o they_o be_v not_o call_v by_o thy_o name_n and_o make_v they_o thou_o but_o we_o have_v a_o better_a plea_n and_o can_v say_v lord_n they_o be_v call_v by_o thy_o name_n 8._o infant_n baptism_n add_v to_o the_o parent_n comfort_n they_o may_v comfortable_o hope_v as_o to_o their_o live_a seed_n that_o if_o they_o be_v faithful_a in_o train_v they_o up_o for_o god_n he_o will_v according_a to_o his_o promise_n is._n 44.3_o pour_v out_o his_o spirit_n and_o blessing_n upon_o they_o and_o as_o to_o those_o that_o die_v in_o a_o infant_n state_n they_o have_v reason_n to_o believe_v and_o hope_v that_o they_o be_v happy_a because_o god_n have_v promise_v to_o be_v a_o god_n to_o they_o and_o to_o their_o seed_n whereas_o those_o that_o neglect_v this_o ordinance_n have_v no_o more_o reason_n to_o hope_v for_o the_o salvation_n of_o their_o infant_n than_o the_o heathen_n must_v only_o leave_v they_o to_o the_o unfathomable_a depth_n of_o god_n goodness_n have_v no_o promise_n to_o rely_v upon_o 4._o i_o shall_v answer_v some_o principal_a objection_n against_o this_o truth_n 1._o there_o be_v no_o precept_n nor_o example_n for_o infant_n baptism_n in_o all_o the_o new_a testament_n this_o be_v
parent_n faith_n as_o the_o infant_n of_o believe_a jew_n so_o be_v the_o infant_n of_o christian_n nor_o be_v this_o at_o all_o unreasonable_a for_o as_o infant_n contract_v gild_n from_o their_o parent_n why_o may_v they_o not_o also_o partake_v of_o mercy_n on_o account_n of_o their_o parent_n except_o god_n be_v more_o incline_v to_o act_n of_o justice_n than_o mercy_n as_o many_o be_v heal_v of_o their_o bodily_a disease_n by_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o parent_n math._n 15.28_o so_o why_o may_v they_o not_o be_v admit_v into_o god_n church_n on_o the_o same_o account_n as_o the_o jewish_a infant_n covenant_v with_o god_n in_o and_o by_o their_o parent_n deut._n 29.11.12_o so_o why_o may_v not_o christian_n infant_n covenant_n in_o and_o by_o they_o as_o child_n be_v say_v to_o come_v to_o christ_n be_v bring_v in_o the_o arm_n of_o their_o nurse_n or_o parent_n luk._n 18.15.16_o so_o why_o may_v they_o not_o be_v say_v spiritual_o to_o come_v to_o christ_n in_o the_o arm_n of_o their_o parent_n faith_n as_o parent_n enter_v their_o child_n name_n in_o lease_n and_o covenant_n and_o the_o child_n be_v oblige_v to_o stand_v to_o these_o covenant_n and_o do_v enjoy_v these_o privilege_n when_o they_o come_v to_o year_n so_o why_o may_v they_o not_o enter_v their_o child_n name_n into_o the_o covenant_n and_o church_n of_o god_n though_o at_o present_a they_o be_v uncapable_a of_o personal_o engage_v themselves_o 2._o infant_n be_v oblige_v to_o these_o duty_n as_o soon_o as_o they_o be_v capable_a and_o their_o early_a engagement_n in_o baptism_n lay_v the_o more_o strong_a and_o forcible_a obligation_n upon_o they_o to_o do_v so_o if_o afterward_o they_o revolt_v from_o god_n their_o sin_n will_v be_v more_o high_o aggravate_v as_o add_v perjury_n and_o apostasy_n to_o the_o rest_n of_o their_o sin_n and_o this_o may_v be_v one_o reason_n why_o sometime_o the_o child_n of_o believer_n be_v worse_o than_o other_o because_o they_o sin_n against_o great_a light_n and_o love_n and_o strong_a engagement_n than_o other_o man_n and_o therefore_o just_o provoke_v the_o holy_a spirit_n to_o forsake_v they_o the_o levite_n of_o a_o month_n old_a be_v say_v to_o keep_v the_o charge_n of_o the_o sanctuary_n because_o they_o be_v devote_v to_o this_o office_n and_o bind_v to_o it_o when_o capable_a num._n 3.28_o so_o the_o infant_n of_o believer_n be_v devote_v to_o the_o service_n of_o god_n and_o bind_v to_o believe_v repent_v confess_v their_o sin_n and_o glad_o receive_v the_o word_n as_o soon_o as_o capable_a 3._o these_o text_n therefore_o only_o show_v what_o be_v require_v of_o grow_v person_n when_o baptism_n be_v first_o appoint_v in_o the_o christian_a church_n those_o person_n be_v either_o jew_n or_o heathen_n before_o and_o therefore_o must_v renounce_v their_o former_a error_n and_o profess_v the_o christian_a faith_n but_o this_o be_v no_o prejudice_n against_o infant_n who_o be_v to_o be_v admit_v with_o they_o as_o when_o abraham_n be_v circumcise_a he_o first_o believe_v in_o god_n and_o submit_v to_o this_o ordinance_n but_o afterward_o the_o infant_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v circumcise_a in_o their_o infant_n state●_n so_o if_o we_o be_v to_o preach_v to_o the_o indian_n we_o must_v first_o persuade_v they_o to_o believe_v and_o repent_v before_o baptism_n but_o when_o once_o they_o have_v believe_v their_o infant_n will_v have_v the_o same_o right_n with_o themselves_o 4._o as_o to_o mar._n 16.16_o because_o many_o be_v apt_a to_o insist_v on_o the_o order_n of_o the_o word_n and_o argue_v that_o faith_n be_v put_v before_o baptism_n and_o therefore_o aught_o to_o precede_v it_o i_o answer_v the_o order_n of_o the_o word_n be_v not_o always_o to_o be_v exact_o regard_v for_o confess_v ●f_a sin_n be_v put_v after_o baptism_n matth._n 3.6_o beside_o this_o will_v condemn_v all_o infant_n for_o if_o because_o they_o can_v believe_v they_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v baptise_a then_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n they_o must_v all_o be_v damn_v it_o be_v not_o positive_o say_v he_o that_o be_v not_o baptise_a shall_v be_v damn_v baptism_n be_v not_o of_o absolute_a necessity_n to_o salvation_n but_o it_o be_v positive_o say_v he_o that_o believe_v not_o sh●ll_o be_v damn_v if_o the_o latter_a part_n of_o this_o verse_n be_v interpret_v of_o grow_v person_n so_o also_o must_v the●_n former_a as_o for_o grow_v person_n faith_n must_v go_v before_o baptism_n but_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o infant_n be_v hence_o exclude_v from_o baptism_n no_o more_o than_o from_o salvation_n our_o saviour_n do_v therefore_o here_o only_o give_v a_o general_a direction_n to_o his_o apostle_n to_o preach_v the_o gospel_n to_o every_o creature_n and_o admit_v the_o gentile_n to_o the_o same_o privilege_n with_o the_o jew_n and_o show_v they_o the_o issue_n of_o the_o execution_n of_o their_o commission_n that_o those_o jew_n or_o heathen_n that_o will_v renounce_v their_o former_a idolatry_n and_o believe_v y_o submit_v to_o the_o ordinance_n as_o a_o solemn_a entrance_n into_o the_o church_n shall_v be_v save_v bu●_n those_o that_o wilful_o persist_v in_o unbelief_n shall_v be_v damn_v so_o that_o this_o be_v no_o prejudice_n to_o infant_n who_o be_v still_o in_o covenant_n with_o god_n through_o their_o parent_n faith_n and_o be_v never_o cast_v out_o i_o proceed_v to_o the_o 2d_o general_n question_n after_o what_o manner_n the_o outward_a element_n in_o baptism_n aught_o to_o be_v apply_v whether_o by_o dip_v or_o plunge_v the_o whole_a body_n under_o water_n or_o whether_o pour_v water_n on_o the_o face_n be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o which_o i_o answer_v 1._o it_o be_v not_o absolute_o necessary_a that_o this_o ordinance_n shall_v be_v administer_v by_o dip_v or_o plunge_v the_o whole_a body_n under_o the_o water_n there_o be_v many_o mistake_a brethren_n lay_v too_o great_a a_o stress_n on_o this_o but_o it_o proceed_v from_o their_o ignorance_n of_o the_o scripture_n 1._o the_o holy_a ghost_n 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