Selected quad for the lemma: christian_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
christian_n	baptize_v	child_n	infant_n	1,168	5	9.1746	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A17192	A moste sure and strong defence of the baptisme of children, against [the] pestiferous secte of the Anabaptystes. set furthe by that famouse clerke, Henry Bullynger: & nowe translated out of Laten into Englysh by Ihon Veron Senonoys	Bullinger, Heinrich, 1504-1575.; Véron, John, d. 1563.	1551 (1551)	STC 4069; ESTC S109521	39,895	92

Paul saith with Moises The sonne of the bond woman shal not be heire with my sonne Isaac he was heyre then wtout doubte he was of the familie for they that be not heires as seruantes fre men are of the familie Exo. xii We reade after thys maner If ani stranger wil come to dwel emong you kepe the passeouer of the lorde let al his male children be circumcised thē he shal kepe it well Why is it said al his male childrē Doth this pertein onely to them the be of age It is your part then to proue that they which receiue the seale of the church of god according to the religion of theyr parents are not of the familye and housholde of their parentes But I wil bryng an oher testimonye In the .xxi. of Acts Luk writeth after this maner And after certen daies we departed frō thens they al brought vs on our way with their wiues children Were al these children of age Or if they were not of age were they not of the familie houshold of theyr parents What myracle or what affectiō was it if the men did onely bring forth the apostle on his way with their wiues yong men But this was the greate affection that the fathers with their wiues did beare draw their children with them as in suche a busines it is wont to be Now they dyd not draw with them other mens but their own childrē Ergo they were of their familie SI What though they pertain to theyr familie houshold Doth it folow therfore that they wer baptized IO. How shuld then Paul say that he hath baptized the houshold of Stephana which he had not baptized if there were children in it whō he had not admitted or receued Again in the Acts it is said He was baptyzed that is to say the keper of the prison al his houshold At the begininge of the church the faythfull wer wont to folow the example of Abraham and of his posteritye Why wil ye not se that at the beginning the faithfull wer wont to do as Abraham his posteritie which did circumcise al their seruants not only their childrē And in the .xii. of Exodus as it is said alredy before al the male childrē of the familie are cōmaunded to be circumcised yet there no mention of faith or of the knowlege of god which thinges ought to be cared for aboue al thinges is made there SI Thou semest too me alwaies to leaue those things the make agaynst ye. For in the epistle to the Corin. Paule nameth such a familye and houshold doth manifestly declare that not infants yong babes but suche as haue reason vnderstanding ought to be vnderstanded For he saith ye know the house of Stephana that they are the first frutes of Achaia haue giuen thē selues to the seruice of the saints be ye obedient to thē and to all the worke labour with them Why do ye not speake of suche a familie housholde IO. We haue said alredy that often that thys is a Sinecdochicall phrase or maner of speaking such as is .i. Cor. x. Al our fathers were vnder the cloude for infantes were also vnder the cloude but no expresse mētion is made of them Al went through the sea but the infants could not go through Thei went through then that went not thorow but were born by them that went thorow So there were some in the familye of Stephana that beleued first of al Achaia there were also some of the congregatiō that could not yet beleue in dede for lack of age nor giue thē selues to the ministerye seruice of the Saints Al wer baptized in Moses he speketh al things of the fathers that is to lay of the aunceters grandfathers whō notwithstandinge we do so take that thei that were then children are now called fathers by Paul For the people of Israel was of thē Therefore not onely they that were of age were baptized in Moises but also the infants For if they that were then infants were not baptized in the going thorough of the red sea thē Paul said not wel that al were baptized in Moises For they were also as we haue said afore the fathers of them that came after SIM This was a figure what shalt thou then proue by it IO. I am wel content It was a figure that as the infants were then of the family as wel of the earthly father as of the heauenly and were signed or sealed with theyr sacramentes that so now they that are the children of the christians syth that they are the chyldren of god also ought to vse the sacramente of the children of god Thou canst finde no starting hole to escape at For ye do folyshlye vpon factes and exaumples brynge in a negatiue yea rather vpon neyther factes nor examples that is to say ye do vnwisely make your argument after this maner Thys thing was done as we maye proue both by testimonies examples Ergo that thinge oughte not to be done For what other thing can ye alege for your selfs but we do not read that the apostles did baptise infantes ergo they ought not to be baptized We do not so but we might stay our selues vpon facts examples if ye woulde stand to after this maner The infantes of the Hebrues were al baptized vnder the cloud in the sea● as well as ours For Paul doth altogether proue there in the foresaid place that they were no lesse initiated with our sacraments thē we are our selues First formeste then it foloweth that in Paules time The fathers had the same sacramēts that we haue the apostles were wont to baptise infants Secondly that whosoeuer denieth that he doth deprauate marre the sentence of Paul For what other thing doth he there but make al things equal and that we are not aboue or superiours vnto thē nor they inferyours vnto vs For he attributeth the same sacramentes vnto thē that we haue the same vnto vs that thei had as Colloss ii Now al those auncient fathers could not haue bene baptized as wel as we yf we be not al baptized with our familie housholdes Them al therefore being baptized and made equall vnto vs it is manifest and plain that as all their infātes were baptized in the red sea in Moises that so in the apostles time al the children of the christians This figure Senecdoche is when eyther some whol thynge is taken for parte of it or part of it for the wholl as ye shall herafter haue examples enowghe were baptized in Christe It is then Sinecdochically spokē of the children of Israel They went al through the sea where as after the letter or literally the going thorough is applyed onely vnto thē that were in health of age to go through their selfes And al thei did eate one spiritual meate where as thei only did eate that were spiritual yet