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A80339 Confidence corrected, error detected, and truth defended; or Some farther reflections upon the two Athenian Mercuries lately publish'd about infant-baptism. By Philalethes Pasiphilus. Pasiphilus, Philalethes. 1692 (1692) Wing C5803A; ESTC R223470 47,010 51

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