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A53575 Ratiocinium vernaculum, or, A reply to Ataxiae obstaculum being a pretended answer to certain queries dispersed in some parts of Gloucester-shire. Overbury, Thomas, Sir, d. 1684. 1678 (1678) Wing O612; ESTC R24104 94,328 197

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vindicat_fw-la ultore_fw-la gladio_fw-la the_o gospel_n support_v not_o itself_o by_o the_o punish_a sword_n he_o cites_n also_o the_o constitution_n of_o clemens_n athanasius_n and_o chrysostom_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n who_o express_o exclude_v force_n and_o compulsion_n in_o bring_v over_o to_o christianity_n and_o certain_o they_o who_o be_v bring_v over_o to_o it_o ought_v not_o therefore_o to_o be_v treat_v with_o less_o of_o reason_n and_o moderation_n that_o also_o say_v our_o reverend_n and_o learned_a doctor_n be_v remarkable_a which_o bishop_n jewel_n note_v out_o of_o chrysostom_n in_o the_o 19_o homily_n on_o st._n matthew_n nunquid_fw-la ovis_fw-la lupum_fw-la persequitur_fw-la aliquando_fw-la etc._n etc._n do_v the_o sheep_n ever_o persecute_v the_o wolf_n no_o but_o the_o wolf_n the_o sheep_n so_o cain_n persecute_v abel_n not_o abel_n cain_n so_o ishmael_n persecute_v isaac_n not_o isaac_n ishmael_n so_o the_o jew_n persecute_v christ_n not_o christ_n the_o jew_n heretic_n persecute_v christian_n not_o christian_n heretic_n by_o their_o fruit_n therefore_o you_o shall_v know_v they_o whereby_o he_o plain_o imply_v that_o persecution_n for_o conscience_n sake_n be_v a_o very_a unchristian_a or_o antichrstian_a symptom_n and_o smart_o again_o in_o the_o same_o homily_n quem_fw-la vides_fw-la in_o sangnine_a persecutionis_fw-la gaude●●tem_fw-la lupus_fw-la est_fw-la he_o that_o be_v a_o persecutor_n be_v no_o sheep_n of_o christ_n but_o a_o wolf_n and_o last_o for_o it_o be_v a_o infinite_a business_n say_v he_o to_o prosecute_v this_o common_a place_n that_o be_v a_o shrewd_a intimation_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v that_o be_v after_o the_o flesh_n persecute_v he_o that_o be_v after_o the_o spirit_n so_o great_a a_o antipathy_n be_v there_o between_o the_o carnal_a and_o true_o regenerate_v christian_n which_o shall_v make_v any_o man_n afraid_a to_o feel_v any_o persecute_v motion_n arise_v in_o his_o breast_n as_o be_v indication_n of_o a_o 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occasion_n to_o another_o to_o transgress_v any_o law_n of_o god_n neglect_v his_o duty_n or_o obstruct_v he_o in_o a_o course_n of_o piety_n and_o good_a work_n it_o certain_o concern_v every_o one_o to_o be_v more_o than_o ordinary_o careful_a he_o involve_v not_o himself_o in_o that_o dreadful_a woe_n pronounce_v against_o those_o by_o who_o they_o come_v the_o query_n indeed_o caution_n all_o to_o beware_v split_v on_o so_o dangerous_a a_o rock_n but_o charge_v none_o with_o run_v or_o drive_v other_o upon_o it_o evil_n therefore_o be_v to_o he_o that_o evil_n think_v mr._n baxter_n as_o quote_v by_o he_o say_v very_o well_o that_o a_o minister_n shall_v not_o more_o fear_n offend_v his_o particular_a flock_n than_o offend_v the_o catholic_n church_n but_o this_o will_v neither_o justify_v nor_o excuse_v his_o offend_n of_o either_o and_o notwithstanding_o this_o answerer_n hope_n he_o will_v not_o find_v a_o national_a church_n of_o humane_a institution_n to_o have_v that_o 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so_o much_o to_o consider_v what_o will_v please_v the_o humour_n as_o advance_v the_o benefit_n of_o those_o under_o its_o charge_n and_o protection_n nor_o can_v we_o have_v so_o hard_a thought_n of_o any_o in_o authority_n as_o to_o imagine_v they_o shall_v make_v law_n thwart_v or_o contradict_v those_o that_o be_v divine_a nor_o yet_o who_o take_v or_o give_v offence_n 12._o for_o as_o every_o one_o must_v give_v a_o account_n of_o himself_o to_o god_n so_o let_v every_o one_o look_v to_o himself_o and_o his_o own_o duty_n and_o as_o he_o tell_v we_o the_o day_n be_v come_v when_o all_o man_n disguise_n and_o vizard_n shall_v be_v pull_v off_o and_o their_o most_o retire_a thought_n and_o action_n lay_v open_a and_o manifest_a to_o man_n and_o angel_n 〈◊〉_d it_o be_v well_o if_o all_o man_n have_v a_o serious_a and_o due_a sense_n thereof_o and_o so_o live_v and_o behave_v themselves_o in_o the_o whole_a course_n of_o their_o life_n as_o to_o convince_v the_o world_n they_o 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but_o the_o whole_a ministry_n and_o be_v of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o accuse_v her_o government_n of_o more_o tyranny_n and_o persecution_n than_o ever_o yet_o be_v object_v against_o she_o by_o the_o most_o violent_a of_o her_o romish_a adversary_n not_o those_o sure_a who_o be_v against_o secular_a force_n and_o compulsion_n in_o religion_n which_o be_v the_o utmost_a import_n of_o these_o query_n for_o then_o the_o charge_n will_v reach_v all_o those_o reverend_n and_o learned_a divine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n before_o mention_v with_o most_o other_o of_o name_n and_o fame_n in_o the_o christian_a world_n who_o have_v decry_v the_o same_o as_o unscriptural_a and_o inconsistent_a with_o the_o precept_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o principle_n of_o christianity_n and_o will_v indeed_o argue_v he_o to_o be_v the_o person_n of_o that_o evil_a and_o deprave_a temper_n of_o spirit_n he_o speak_v of_o yet_o i_o agree_v with_o he_o that_o man_n eminent_a in_o their_o 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say_v to_o tolerate_v unruly_a and_o vain_a talker_n and_o deceiver_n who_o vent_v their_o idle_a fancy_n to_o corrupt_v and_o withdraw_v other_o from_o the_o simplicity_n of_o the_o truth_n be_v a_o indication_n of_o more_o cruelty_n than_o to_o tolerate_v so_o many_o thief_n and_o murderer_n upon_o public_a road_n and_o highway_n this_o answerer_n be_v by_o no_o mean_n to_o be_v tolerate_v have_v manifest_v himself_o so_o unruly_a and_o vain_a a_o talker_n and_o deceiver_n as_o he_o have_v do_v query_n xxvii_o whether_o can_v any_o think_v that_o they_o who_o persecute_v christ_n in_o his_o member_n despoil_v they_o of_o their_o good_n and_o imprison_v their_o person_n and_o that_o too_o for_o their_o faithful_a adhere_n to_o the_o plain_a and_o undoubted_a command_n of_o their_o heavenly_a sovereign_n will_v speed_v better_o at_o the_o great_a day_n of_o account_n than_o those_o who_o christ_n himself_o have_v tell_v we_o shall_v be_v then_o reject_v but_o for_o not_o visit_v and_o 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