ourselves_o as_o much_o as_o be_v neceâ—_n sary_a but_o protestant_n stand_v upon_o such_o nice_a term_n witâ—_n god_n and_o the_o church_n that_o if_o they_o come_v not_o short_a of_o whâ—_n be_v necessary_a as_o twenty_o to_o one_o they_o will_v their_o neighbour_n shall_v be_v nothing_o the_o better_a for_o their_o belief_n 2_o i_o may_v urge_v this_o argument_n in_o a_o serious_a way_n and_o uâ—_n home_o if_o this_o be_v its_o proper_a place_n but_o to_o return_v to_o thâ—_n question_n whether_o protestancy_n be_v heresy_n i_o answer_v thâ—_n all_o opinion_n or_o tenet_n whether_o negative_a or_o affirmative_a that_o protestant_n hold_v contrary_a to_o that_o which_o the_o româ—_n catholic_n church_n believe_v as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v hâ—_n resy_n which_o i_o demonstrate_v in_o this_o manner_n whatsoeuâ—_n opinion_n be_v contrary_a to_o any_o doctrine_n sufficient_o propose_v as_o divine_a revelation_n be_v heresy_n but_o all_o protestant_n prper_n tenet_n or_o opinion_n be_v contrary_a to_o some_o doctriâ—_fw-la sufficient_o propose_v as_o divine_a revelation_n therefore_o 〈◊〉_d protestant_n proper_n tenet_n or_o opinion_n be_v heresy_n thâ—_n first_o proposition_n be_v grant_v by_o our_o very_a adversary_n anâ—_n have_v be_v prove_v in_o the_o 3._o and_o 4._o chap._n the_o second_o 〈◊〉_d clear_a by_o what_o may_v be_v borrow_v from_o the_o same_o chapter_n and_o from_o the_o so_o and_o i_o apply_v to_o our_o question_n by_o this_o syâ—_n logisme_n all_o the_o proper_a tener_n of_o protestancy_n be_v coâ—_n trary_a to_o some_o doctrine_n which_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n do_v testify_v to_o be_v divine_a revelation_n that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d have_v be_v reveal_v by_o god_n to_o the_o primitive_a church_n bâ—_n the_o testimony_n of_o the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n be_v a_o sufâ—_n cient_a proposal_n of_o any_o doctrine_n to_o be_v divine_a revelation_n therefore_o all_o tenet_n or_o opinion_n proper_a to_o protestancy_n be_v contrary_a 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in_o those_o very_a point_n of_o doctrine_n wherein_o protestant_n differ_v from_o we_o be_v so_o evident_a that_o no_o prudent_a â—an_v if_o not_o obstinate_a can_v deny_v and_o be_v particular_o prove_v 〈◊〉_d the_o 13._o chap._n for_o how_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o all_o the_o world_n â—as_v i_o say_v before_o shall_v conspire_v to_o abuse_v protestant_n and_o â—amne_v themselves_o by_o feign_v miracle_n and_o that_o not_o only_o in_o this_o age_n but_o in_o every_o age_n since_o the_o primitive_a church_n the_o forge_n of_o some_o be_v no_o prudent_a prose_n that_o â—ll_o be_v forge_v if_o there_o be_v no_o miracle_n in_o the_o roman_a caâ—olick_a church_n in_o confirmation_n of_o transubstantiation_n purgatory_n worship_n of_o image_n etc._n etc._n there_o be_v no_o faith_n to_o be_v give_v my_o man_n whosoever_o 4_o now_o it_o remain_v only_o to_o be_v prove_v that_o there_o have_v â—een_n a_o continual_a succession_n of_o honest_a and_o learned_a man_n â—f_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o every_o age_n since_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o this_o present_a who_o do_v bear_v witness_n that_o the_o doctrine_n which_o every_o respective_a former_a age_n deliver_v to_o â—he_n next_o ensue_v and_o we_o believe_v as_o faith_n be_v reveal_v by_o â—od_a to_o the_o first_o christian_n but_o this_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o condemn_a as_o heretic_n all_o those_o who_o in_o any_o age_n hold_v protestant_n tenet_n and_o be_v also_o prove_v in_o the_o 10._o chap._n â—s_v superfluous_a and_o troublesome_a to_o repeat_v it_o here_o again_o whosoever_o desire_v to_o be_v inform_v more_o at_o large_a and_o of_o â—very_n point_n in_o particular_a let_v he_o read_v the_o protestant_a apoâ—gy_n for_o the_o roman_a church_n there_o he_o will_v find_v what_o i_o â—ay_v to_o be_v so_o clear_a that_o our_o very_a learned_a adversary_n be_v force_v to_o acknowledge_v it_o and_o recurre_v to_o that_o old_a and_o desperate_a shift_n of_o heretic_n who_o say_v that_o the_o word_n of_o â—en_n be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v as_o if_o the_o word_n of_o the_o same_o man_n who_o assure_v we_o that_o scripture_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v credible_a in_o that_o but_o in_o nothing_o else_o of_o this_o we_o have_v saiâ—_n enough_o before_o in_o the_o 5._o chap._n 5_o yet_o i_o will_v not_o omit_v to_o argue_v against_o protestant_n aâ—_n saint_a augustin_n do_v against_o jew_n and_o pagan_n with_o that_o inâ—_n genius_n dilemma_n whereof_o i_o make_v mention_n in_o the_o 3._o chap_n either_o the_o first_o learn_v and_o honest_a man_n who_o adore_a thâ—_n bless_a sacrament_n believe_v there_o be_v no_o bread_n in_o it_o worship_v image_n etc._n etc._n do_v see_v miracle_n to_o confirm_v these_o pretend_a novelty_n which_o creep_v in_o as_o protestant_a say_n tâ—_n the_o church_n or_o they_o do_v see_v no_o miracle_n to_o confirm_v they_o if_o they_o do_v see_v miracle_n i_o have_v my_o intent_n if_o they_o do_v seâ—_n none_n i_o have_v also_o my_o intent_n 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impose_v upon_o themselves_o unnecessary_a article_n as_o necessary_a and_o thereby_o betray_v posterity_n and_o damn_v themselves_o for_o believe_v thing_n which_o have_v no_o ground_n in_o scripture_n nor_o be_v testiâ—_n fie_v to_o they_o by_o any_o credible_a testimony_n of_o the_o christianâ—_n who_o go_v before_o they_o to_o be_v divine_a revelation_n all_o thaâ—_n protestant_n can_v say_v in_o their_o own_o defence_n have_v be_v conâ—_n fute_v in_o the_o 3.4.7.8_o and_o 9_o chap_n for_o all_o must_v be_v reduceâ—_n to_o three_o head_n 1._o that_o scripture_n and_o father_n be_v cleaâ—_n against_o roman_a catholic_n 2._o that_o the_o private_a spirit_n iâ—_n for_o protestant_n 3._o that_o protestant_n be_v neither_o obstinate_a nor_o heretic_n because_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o god_n reâ—_n veal_v transubstantiation_n purgatory_n etc._n etc._n all_o these_o threâ—_n evasion_n and_o more_o have_v be_v confute_v in_o the_o foreman_n tion_v chapter_n to_o which_o i_o 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