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A68098 A pleasant dialogue, betweene a souldior of Barwicke, and an English chaplaine Wherein are largely handled & laide open, such reasons as are brought in for maintenaunce of popishe traditions in our Eng. church. Also is collected, as in a short table, 120. particular corruptions yet remaining in our saide church, with sundrie other matters, necessary to be knowen of all persons. Togither with a letter of the same author, placed before this booke, in vvay of a preface. Gilby, Anthony, ca. 1510-1585. 1581 (1581) STC 11888; ESTC S109674 76,666 200

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5. de consecra cap. De his verò is writtē that in the yere 310 Clemens primus brought in Confirmation or Bishopping of children This Pope Clement affirmed that he was no christian that wilfullie left this vndone Pope Melciades came after affirmed it to be a more worthie sacrament than the sacrament of Baptisme Volateranus Platina Sabellicus Polidorus these do write that in the yeere 404 Pope Anastasius brought in Standinge at the Gospell Platina D. Barnes H. Pantateon these doo write that in the yere 530 Pope Bonifacius ordained To deuide the Chauncel from the body of the church Platina Durand D. Barnes H. Pātateon these do write that in the yere 603 pope Sabinian brought in Belles Vertue attributed to Belles First they stirre men to deuotion Secondlie they preserue the fruites Thirdly they keepe both the mindes and bodies of the faithfull from al daungers Fourthly they put to flight the hoastes of our enemies and dispatche all the subtilties of their euill willers Fifthlie they cause the boysterous windes hayle and all sharpe stormes the violent tēpestes the terrible thūdrings to cease Sixtly they driue away all wicked spirits and Deuilles Chronica Chro. Volateranus Platin. these do write that in the yere 653 Pope Vitalianus broght into y e church Orgānes Christianus Massaeus Chro. mundi these do write that in the yere 796 pope Adriā ordeyned the Surplesses Durandus Platina Volateranus Polidorus these do write that in the yeere 653 pope Gelasius brought in Prickesong pope Gregorie Playnesong pope Vitalianus Descant Platina Sabellicus Polidorus Gratianus these do write that in the yere 119. pope Alexander ordeyned vnleauened breade or rounde Cakes small saying this oblation the lesse it is the better is it Also why it is rounde like a penie Antonius saieth Because Christe was solde for thirtie pen. Durandus saith that it is made rounde because the earth is rounde And another sayth that the outwarde signe may signifie him that wanteth both beginninge ending Durandus Polidorus Pantateon these do write that in the yeere 375 pope Damasus brought in the church The firste prescript order for the seruice in the Quier Durandus Chroni Chron. these do write that in the yeere 1073 pope Gregorie the seuēth brought in The prescript nūber of psalmes and lessons Platina Massaeus Polidorus Pantateon these do write that in the yere 444 pope Leo or as some write pope Hillarius ordeyned the Gange dayes or Rogation weeke Durandus sayeth that pope Gregorie or Gelasius ordeyned the Collectes ordinarie Chroni Achil. Fasciculus temp these say that in the yeere 737 pope Zacharias ordeyned priestes Gownes Tippettes and Foure horned Cappes Haue at our Englishe prelates of pride Sabellicus writeth that in the yeere 251 pope Stephanus ordeyned Coapes and Vestimentes This man appointed no garmentes to be vsed in the church but hallowed garmentes In Chroni Graftoni is written that in the yeere 871 Pope Nicholas Conciliū did forbid Mariage in Lent and at all other times Paule calleth it the doctrine of Deuils Decreta lib. 3. titul 1. cap. 10. Pātateon they saye that in the yeere 1214 Pope Honorius ordeyned Kneeling to the sacrament Here the sacrament was made an Idoll as Iewell saith in his first booke against Harding Sabellicus Polidorus Lib. Conciliorum Eusebius these do write that in the yere 139 Pope Telesphorus ordeyned Lent to be fasted before Easter Distinct 76. cap. Tenui Platina Sabellicus Polidorus D. Barnes these do say that in the yeere 206 pope Calixtin ordeined Imber fastes Platina and Volateranus do write that in the yeere 315 Pope Bonifacius ordeyned Wednesdayes Frydayes and Saterdayes fastes Polidorus and Pantateon these do write that in the yeere 425 Pope Bonifacius ordeyned Saintes eues fasted Mat. 26. 63. saith that Caiaphas the high Priest would haue Othes ex officio to wit to make men sweare to accuse them selues When Caiaphas could not get that which would suffise him at the false witnesses mouthes to put Christ to death then hee adiured him by the liuing God to tell if he were Christ Thomas Rudb and Iohan. Capg these do write that in the yeere 1098 Pope Vrbanus ordeyned Caunturburie to be the chiefe patriarchal Seate All popishe holy dayes had the like beginning as by Thomas Beacons booke of Reliques is to be seene All these Popes were Antichristes one after another and there are none of these Ceremonies and Monumentes of Idolatrie but came all from these Antichristes besides the Lordlie gouernement of Bishoppes Popishe Excommunications and Absolutions Pluralities Trialities Tot quots with such other Dispensations and Licenses Institutions Inductions Proxies and Senages c. These all fill the purse and were deuised of Antichriste to holde vp his kingdom All these do the Tradicioners still mainteyne directlie agaynste the commaundementes whiche Samuell as before is saide doeth affirme to bee wickednesse and Idolatrie The true Discipline by Gods word without the whiche no true Religion can be and which true reformed Churches doe holde and mainteyne haue the Traditioners vtterly excluded And therefore they can not truelie affirme and saye That they doe deteste all Antichristian Idolatrie neyther yet that they consent in all pointes of true doctrine with all godlie reformed churches whē these mischiefes are mainteined true discipline banished which of necessitie must be ioyned ¶ A Prayer for the Faythefull O Lord God most mercifull Father we beseeche thee for the honour of thy holy Name to defende vs from that Antichrist of Rome and frō al his detestable enormities manners lawes garments ceremonies Destroye the counsel of al Papistes and Atheistes enemies of thy Gospell of this realme of Englād Disclose their mischiefes and subtill practises confounde their deuices let them be takē in their own wylinesses and strēgthen all those that maintayne the cause and quarell of thy Gospell with inuincible force and power of thi holie Spirite so that though they bee destitute at anie tyme of worldlie ayde and comforte that yet they fayle not to proceede and goe forward towardes that true godlinesse commaunded in thy holie worde with all simplicitie and sinceritie to thy honor and glorie the comforte of thine electe and the cōfusion of thine enemies through Christ our Lorde and Sauiour Amen Amen And say from the harte AMEN FINIS A good desire Too true Our B. are Foxes Mat. 15. Phil. 3. Zacha. 13. 1. Reg. 12. 2. Reg 16. Daniel 3. Note this A perilous heresie 2. Tim. 4● 2. A lamentable defectiō The request of the godly ministers 1 Cor. 1. 19. 25. 26. 27. Esa 55. 8. 9. Pro. 1. 22. Pro. 1 29. 30. 31. ● Cor. 11. 19 23. 11. Psal 19. 7. Psal 119 9. Fevv such Souldiers Marke this O ye Conformatistes Marke this 2. Pet. 2. Note this ye Magistrates Looke to this O yee Magistrates in time 2. Cor. 6. 17. Esa 52. 11. 1. Pet. 5. 2. Good stuffe for the Popes church 1. Pet. 5. 2. 3. Luk. 22. 26. Marke this good Reader praye for the same vvith vs. As Dios Grauet and such like Such as Parson Taylor Parson Buffin suche like Marke this prety stuffe Marke well Spirituall theeues the vvorste theeues Be vvarned O England Good coūsell and the best policy The name of D. Turners Booke Note The more is the pitie Marke this O ye christian Magistrates and frame your policie to christianitie Note this Looke in the ende of this Booke Act. 4. 19. Marke vvell this and beare it avvaye Those that knovve not God his vvill bee blinde and see nor knovve no-nothing Vnlesse mē vvill bee blinde they must confesse this Psalm 16. Gen. 3. 14. Marke this ye Vniuersitie men Outvvarde notes to knovve Papistes The Surples may be vsed for a Porters vveede or such like necessarie garment Remember Qu. Maries daies O England and repent in time Looke to this O ye L. Bishops Marke this O yee Gentlemen Mark these similitudes Looke into all other reformed churches VVhat is this but hypocrisie 2. Cor. 6 14 15. 16. Examples of holy mē vvhiche detested Idolaters and their fashions and rites Iohn 2. 15. One principal question Reade the Tables in the ende of this booke Reue. 18. 4. 1. Cor. 10. 21. No Idolator or his Garmentes to be suffefered To many of this opinion God graūt vve may do this frō our hartes These Popish Garmentes refused in K. Edvvardes time Those that haue eies to see let them see Old Robert Bishop of Lincolne They svvarme throughout the lād God redres it vvhen his vvill is All vpright men cōfesse this to be true Of indifferent things note A Christian aunsvvere and ought to be practised of al true Preachers The Apostles neuer sought to bring any estimation to theword by apparell The defenders of thes ceremonies haue their ovvn cōsciences to vvitnes these things to be true None cā be to earnest in a good cause for God his Church Papists and the veriest asses moste redie to the ragges of Rome Christes church can not avvaye vvith names of Idolatries muche lesse vvith their ceremonies Indifferent thinges made intollerable four vvayes 1 2 3 4 Note this 1 2 Tvvo sorte of Idolothites 1 2 Nota. Good intenrs vvithout vvarrāt displease God These traditions more vrged then God his cōmaūdementes Patcheries of popishe remnaunts a●…to be cast off vvith the Pope him selfe
lie abroade without checke and do no duetie to the parish But hee that doeth the duetie shall be bounde to the Popish attire and what soeuer it pleaseth the ordinarie 9 Ministers made neither in electiō vocation nor approbation agreeable to Gods worde 10 Boyes papistes drunckardes idiots Idolles as Zachariah calleth them Zachar 11. 11 Eleuenthlie learned Ministers maye not preache without newe licenses although in the ordeyning of them they are commaunded to preache the gospell 12 Some may preache and not minister the Sacramentes 13 Deacons made to other purposes than Scripture appoynteth 14 They may minister Baptisme but not the Communion they may minister the Cuppe not the bread 15 The Images of the Trinitie many other monuments of superstition generally in al church windowes 16 The holie Sacramentes mixed with mens traditions 17 The wante of examination before the receiuing of the Lords Supper 18 In manie places it is vsed like a Masse 19 The wante of true Discipline for the whole congregation 20 The popishe apparaile of the Archebishop and Bishop the blacke Chimere or sleeueles coate put vppon the fine white rotchet 21 The great wide sleeued gowne commaūded to the Ministers the charge to weare those sleeues vpō the armes be the weather neuer so hote 22 The horned cappe 23 The Tippet 24 The Surplesse in litle churches 25 The Cope in great churches 26 The Lordlie power of the Bishoppes and their Princelie Parkes and Palaces 27 Their riches gathered togeather by popishe meanes Procurations Synodalles c. 28 Their pompous trayne of proud idle swingebreeches in the steede of Preachers Schollers 29 Their temporall offices 30 Their wante of exercise in learning 31 The wante of Discipline in the ministerie 32 Furred hoodes in Sommer of their great Doctors 33 Silken hoodes in their quiers vpon a Surplesse 34 The gray amise with cattes tayles 35 The Organes playing away halfe of the psalmes 36 To sweare by a booke in their cōmon courtes 37 To saue a theefe if he can reade latin because he is one of them Legit vt Clericus 38 The commō swearing by our Ladie not reproued 39 And the obseruing of the Ladies daies Ladies feastes which are cōfirmations to such othes and swearers 40 Faires markets vpon the Sabaoth dayes Lewd playes on the same daies 41 Putting of the caps at the name Iesus 42 Crossing the corps with linnen cloathes and such like 43 Ringing of handbels in many places 44 Crossing of thēselues in their prayers 45 Ringing of Bells in the place of preaching when the Priestes take possession of their benefices 46 Ringing of Curfewe vppon hallowe euens 47 Ringing three peales at the burialls 48 The visitacions of the Bishoppes and others onely for money 49 Dispensations with the rich men for all things but not with poore menne that haue no money 50 Offerings at burialles the offering of the woman at hir churching The church seruice and chiefe shewe of holines 1 FIrst the only reading in the place of feding by the applying of the word to the conscience is rather an Englishe poperie than a true christiā ministerie Christ commaundeth his to feede So doeth Peter exhorte his fellowe ministers Paule cōmaundeth to chuse such none other 2 The whole forme of the church seruice is borowed from the Papistes peeced and patched without reason or order of edification 3 In the cōmon prayers the priest prayeth for the Queene the people answeare of another matter 4 They pray also that all men may be saued without exception and that al trauailing by sea and by land may be preserued Turkes and traytors not excepted c. 5 They praye to be deliuered frō lightening tempest when there is no daūger of it c. 6 All these church prayers Sacramēts are tyed to a popishe Surplesse 7 Their Saints dayes and their prescript seruice 8 Their wakes and idolatrous bankettes 9 Their Lent still obserued in the same time and manner 10 The Imbring dayes 11 The hallowe Euens 12 The Fridrayes and Saterdayes 13 All their fishe fastes 14 The crossing in Baptisme 15 That the godfathers godmothers shall promise that the childe doeth beleeue and doth forsake the Deuill 16 The necessitie of Baptisme 17 The Lords Supper in time of necessitie to be ministred to one alone 18 The priuate Baptisme 19 The Ring in mariage 20 The Churching of women with this Psalme that the Sunne nor Moone shal not burne them 12 The confirmation of childrē by laying on of the handes of the Bishop to certifie them of Gods fauour by this signe of mans inuention 22 The making of the Ministers by laying on of the handes and saying Take the holy Ghost 23 The ministration in a Wafer cake 24 The kneeling before the Cake Ber. Peace here be to many But mee thincke Miles that there be some pointes here reckoned that are smallie to be accoūted of and are but verie trifles Mil. That is true for all poperie is but trifles But what hath Christes Church to do w t the poysonfull leauē of popish trifles Christ w t Antichrist A litle leauen corrupteth y e whole lūpe A litle poyson y e whole pottage And manie small make a great heape And how can we accounte it a good reformation where so many pointes of poperie do remaine Or why shoulde men in payne of prisonment or losse of liuing bee bounde to subscribe and allowe all these pointes of poperie But because thou and thy fellowes should not quarell aboute the smalest trifles I do giue thee seuen score to the hundred And wherfore is the glorious glasse of the Gospell by Gods mercie set before our eyes but that we shoulde wipe away all these popish blemishes from the face of our English Churche in the which we do boast of a reformation God for his mercie graūt that we may once see a right reformation in this church to the glorie of his name here in Englād AMEN 1. Corinth 4. The fire shal trie euerie mans work of what sorte it is whether it be golde or siluer tymber strawe or stubble ¶ Note that the Annotations and Cotations in this booke were not put too of the Authour nor the Table following Here followeth a Table of the bringing in of diuers of the popishe and superstitious toyes yet remayninge as before saide The Authours names The yeeres of the Lorde The Popes names and the stuffe it selfe as appeareth with the holines attributed therevnto ❧ Also a short Prayer of the Authour himselfe that wrote this Dialogue The Table PLatina and Sabellicus write that in the yere 147 Pius primus brought into the Romane church The coniured Founte Sabellicus Polidorus D. Barnes these doo write that in the yeere 143 Pope Higinus brought in Godfathers and Godmothers Gratianus Fasciculus tēp Polidorus D. Barnes these write that in the yeere 198 Victor primus ordained Women to baptise children This mainteyneth the heresie that children dying without baptisme are condemned Distinct