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A07646	A gagg for the new Gospell? No: a nevv gagg for an old goose VVho would needes vndertake to stop all Protestants mouths for euer, with 276. places out of their owne English Bibles. Or an ansvvere to a late abridger of controuersies, and belyar of the Protestants doctrine. By Richard Mountagu. Published by authoritie.	Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641.	1624 (1624)	STC 18038; ESTC S112831	210,549	373

therefore adore them make them Images as well you may and farre rather than a carued piece of wood by them giue relatiue honour vnto God This you cannot digest by any means for then your Idolomanie in Images with stocks and stones were clean dashed And yet if dead and insensible things bee to be honoured you cannot auoid the sequell doo you what you can Liue things may be much more honoured Vpon the same ground we are sent to adore the footstool of his feet Psal 99. 5. as common in your mouthes for Adoration as Ergo with boies in the schools as if an Image were Gods Footstool and so must be worshipped Indeed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an Image may bee for him to trample and tread vnder foot as he will doo in iust anger the Image and adorer of the Image that giueth his glory to a stock a stone So wee well may take you at aduantage if we will but wee take you at best as your self will Footstool you expound in the literall sense to be the Ark of Gods Testament as 1. Chron. 28. 2. not as Saint Augustine by Scripture too for the Earth or by anaiogic Christs body after Saint Ambrose as I remember Be it the Arke worship and adore it if you can finde it worship any thing like it any Image for it if you can bring so good warrant for your so doing your adoring thereof as is this Adore the footstoole of his feet Tu Prophetam imitare nee adores imagines nisi tibi Deus iusserit Do as the Prophet willeth Adore no Images vnlesse God command If God had commanded Israel notwithstanding that Precept of Eternall Morality Thou shalt not bow downe to them nor worship them to make Cherubins and to adore them Israel might haue done it yet could not you haue followed Israels example without sacriledge For peculiar priuiledges and dispensations take away no generall right nor reuerse an eternall lawe Adore you Images and spare not if you shew me such a Text as Adore the footstoole of his feet if it were an Image I adde If that footstoole be the Arke what is Mountayne ver last for as ver 5. we reade Adore we the footstoole of his feete so ver 9. we also reade Adore we his holy Mountayne What Images were in that holy Mountaine can you tell for which we are willed to adore it Some there were some there must bee your reason is no reason else thus Now the principall reason why the Arke was worshipped was in regard of the Images that were vpon it So that no question there were Images vpon that holy Mountaine otherwise the Prophet would not haue sent vs to adore it We read Adore his holy Mountaine we doe not read of Images vpon it therefore a Reason no reason much lesse principall is alleadged and fathered vpon S. Ierome But indeed that is a reason a principall one too the same in both places could you squint vpon it v. 5. For he is holy verse 9. For the Lord our God is holy Which reason held before in putting off Moses shooes The place is holy ground Holines of the Lord. The presence of God communicated this Holines vnto that place Adore his footstoole for he is holy Adore his Mountaine for he is holy Toward the Mountain where hee dwelleth Before his Footstoole where hee treadeth or in his Arke as in his holy Mountain as your owne Bibles if I mistake not read the place So take it as you will or as you can out of Arke will proceed no image-Image-worship nor yet from vpon the Arke any Images The Iewes did worship Images vpon the Ark. That is no warrant for you to do so nor yet precedent to take it so They worshipped Baalim and the Hostes of Heauen Milcom and Moloch Will you doe the like They burnt their children in the valley of Hinnon Would you be contented to be serued so I would I had the pow'r to dress you so to make you low a little louder out of that bul Such a wise collection as this Because there were Images vpon the Arke and because the Iewes did worship those Images therefore the Prophet tooke vp that admonition Adore the footstoole c. You bely the Iewes they did not worship them For they could not come to worship them The Arke was reuestried in the most holy place No Israelite came thither to adore it onely the High-Priest had accesse thither He onely once but one day in the yeare and but one time in that day And for any thing I yet know Saint Hierom saith it not in his Epistle to Marcella doe you meane or some other S. Hierom wrote many Epistles vnto Marcella in which of them all doth Saint Hierom say so Did you suppose that hee wrote but one It is more then probable you thought so Or if moe then one may we intreate you to tell vs in which of his Epistles hee saith so But I may mistake for I cannot tell what to make of in his Epistle to Marcellan When you speake more plaine I shall bee able to giue you a fuller answer till then I proceed From Images to I cannot tell what to giue vnto it but it is the name of Iesus somwhat strangely carried vnto Adoration Philip. 2. 10. That at the name of Iesus euerie knee should bowe of things in Heauen things in Earth andof things vnder the earth Vpon which premises the conclusion is Therefore Images are to bee worshipped So the name of Iesus is become an Image a strange kind of Image to my vnderstanding that a mans name should bee his image Imago is quasi Imitago you say which is not saith Sanders with Vasques approbation any similitude whatsoeuer but onely that which is expressed to represent the thing as the Picture of a long-eared beast doth an Asse Iesus printed or painted on a wall is no Image of our Sauiour much lessethe word pronounced conueighed to the eare which at least is if not the intire yet principall meaning of S. Paul Names are notes of things But names pronounced are but transeunt and names painted no Image Your Bottle-ale-wife ca●●el you so much that a Bottle is not the Image of a bottle and your Baker that his basket no representation of himselfe But to point Your vndertaking is for expresse words in our Bibles What expresnes in bowing the knee at the name vnto an Image made of what you will haue it Beside the name of Iesus is so farre from being expresse to proue it that it is not resolued what is meant by the name of Iesus heer By that name is meant the Glorie and Power of Iesus 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 saith Chrysostom because al things are subiected vnto him as There is no other name giuen vnder heauē by which we may be saued no Power no means beside or the name of Iesus is Iesus himselfe that is that at his name in effect vnto him euery knee should bowe as He that calleth

Traditions Act. 16. 4. this is one Act. 15. 29. To abstaine from bloud and strangled Exempt such dishes specified from such dressing haue with you to Masse to Mr. Mayes as I am inuited by Sir A. P● peraduenture your selfe 2 Tim. 1. 13. We finde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the forme of wholesome words in our Bibles And if this be Traditions vnwritten iudge you good Catholiques and set not so high a price vpon this arrant blunderer then whom a verier Goose neuer handled Goose-quill And so goe see if your leasure will serue Fathers that affirme somewhat not what they should The first you must see if you please is Irenaeus Lib. 3. cap. 4. for he will not trouble your seeing with Clemens Ignatius Dionysius Areopagita Polycarpus Egesippus Iustinus Martyr all elder than Irenaeus and vaunted of by his good masters and no doubt as much to poynt as Irenaeus who yet is held to be resolute and irrefrageable in that place Propter quod oportet deuitare quidem illos quae autem sunt Ecclesiae cum summâ diligentia deligere apprehendere veritatis Traditionem For which cause wee must shun and eschew them but with all possible diligence make choyce of the things belonging to the Church and lay hold vpon the Tradition of truth Which Tradition is no other thing but the rule of our faith The holy Scripture nothing vnwritten vncertaine beside much lesse against Scripture This is somewhat in your opinion but that which is the thing intended indeede is this which followeth in Irenaeus Et si quibus de aliquâ modicâ quaestione disceptatio esset nonne oporteret in antiquissimas recurrere Ecclesias in quibus Apostoli conuersati sunt ab ijs de praesenti quaestione sumere quod certum re liquidum est Thus hee questioneth I answere affirmatiuely yes No doubt we ought for resolution in poynts of doubtfull controuersie relye vpon that decision of the eldest Churches Doe we refuse this triall good Sir Gagger Where you will in what poynt you will I vndertake thus to iustifie the Church of England name you the Controuersie one or moe and maintaine the contrary if you can or dare The question is not with Irenaeus what must be Law but how the Law is to be expounded and interpreted Scripture the Law and Tradition the Interpretation that is the perpetuall praxis of the Church to expound the doubtfull texts of Scripture But Irenaeus proceedeth farther than so it will be said For What if the Apostles had left vs no writing at all Nonne oportet ordinem sequi Traditionis quam tradiderunt ijs quibus committebant Ecclesias Farther indeede but to no purpose this is vpon supposition If it had been so which is not so nor could be so Secondly it followeth not that because if God had not giuen Israei a Law it is probable hee would haue continued his former course with Abraham Isaac and the Patriarchs therefore when he had giuen them his Law they were still to looke for immediate or Angelicall Reuelations as before No more is it consequent to reason pietie or Irenaeus intent that albeit if no Scripture had beene written onely Tradition must haue beene followed therefore Scripture being written wee should as otherwise addresse our selues vnto Tradition But thirdly wee come home to poynt Shew vs any thing tendred by those Ecclesiae antiquissimae to be belieued and obserued and see if wee respect it not as well and as much as you Till you shew vs such Traditions leaue your prating idlely at randome touching worth and weight and vse and authoritie of Traditions Your Traditions tendred in these dayes are onely in name as Simon Magus was and Simon Peter the same no more of credite than hee of pietie both alike Origen is next to be seene in cap. 6. ad Roman Hee calleth Baptisme of Infants a Tradition and let it be so It is the vniuersall iudgement and most ancient practise of the Catholique Church deduced at least from Scripture if not proued in Scripture as the controuersor himselfe confesseth Be it a Tradition it is more for our aduantage than otherwise For we admit receiue defend and practise it which must needes giue the lye vnto your proposition That according to the Doctrine of the Protestants Apostolicall traditions ancient customes of the holy Church are not to be receiued nor doe oblige For the World knoweth your brazen face will blush to deny it wee receiue it practise it are obliged by it S. Damascen may stand by vnlesse you meane to make your friends with him a childe in yeares of yesterdayes birth in respect of those old Heroes of the Primitiue times Not that he saith any thing Lib. 4. cap. 17. more than an other or more effectuall and to purpose but because he is not of that desert or esteeme to be ranked with the Fathers of the Primitiue times being long post natus and a Partian many wayes for which cause I answere him not S. Chrysostome is peremptory and through for Traditions In 2. ad Thessal 2. vers 16. he saith Hence it is plaine and apparant that the Apostles deliuered not all in writing but very many things without booke Thus hee but to what end For no Protestant liuing in his right wits will deny this That the Apostles spake much more then is written And whatsoeuer they spake as Apostles in execution of their Ministery is of equall authority with that which they wrote For inke and paper conferre no authoritie or validity beyond the subiect and author of the writing Therefore the Tradition of the Apostles and of the Church is without all question of good credite and esteeme and so much wee professe Art 34. I graunt it hath displeased some which is said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It is Tradition which auoweth it seeke no further I see no reason why any should be so displeased therewith For if it be a Tradition of the Catholique Church and such Traditions onely hee meaneth Chrysostome saith there no more than hee may No more than Augustine and Tertullian haue said It is Tradition I goe no further No more will● in any thing for my part I promise you that is controuerted betwixt you and vs at this day Make that appeare which you propose to haue been a Tradition of the Catholique Church and you and I shall soone agree shake hands and no more adoe Saint Basil you haue kept for the close it seemeth and for the vpshot of all and he indeed is in the place remembred very much for all Traditions vnwritten deriued to the Church from the Apostles I know some Protestants especially of preciser cut doe discredit the Author as a Counterfeit onely vpon Erasmus bare word who sauoured some discongruity which I could neuer finde of stile I am not of that or their minde Others being at a stand because of their owne priuate fancies oppose Saint Basil vnto Saint Basil For my part I beleeue