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A85130 The brazen serpent lifted up on high, or truth cleared and above the deceit exalted, and as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wildernesse: even so must the son of man be lifted up, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish but have eternall life. Joh. 3. 14. 15. Here is also laid down in this treatise something, concerning election and and [sic] predestination, which is so much spoken of, and how they may know their election, something concerning Christ being the way to the Father; and how, and concerning Christ, the mediatour of the new covenants, and the end of the old, and tythes are ended. ... Lastly, here is part of a dispute, held between two chief priests, and two men that came and met with them, and the people at Chadwitch in Worcestershire; ... to clear the truth form accusations, held forth by those men that the world scornfully calleth Quakers. Written in Worcestershire, the beginning of the first moneth called March. 1655. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F471; Thomason E831_10; ESTC R207464 47,825 63

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be a meeting of the Lords people that night by the world scornfully called Quakers acquainting him where also very near at the end of Deritton and withall I urged him to come to the meeting to prove before witnesse what he had falsely accused withall but he would not come to bring to light what in darknesse he had acted by lying against the truth and the servants of Jesus whom the world doth scornfully call Quakers Let all the children of light judge of this mans spirit I also after that writ a large epistle or letter to him which shall be a witnesse for the truth and against his deceit and envie against the truth and servants of the Lord Jesus Which letter appears upon record to witnesse for the truth which truth seeks no corners and besides all that I stayed a week in and about Birmingham or some nine dayes and was there three meetings at Derrittend but the said false accuser and slanderer Robert Gurdler as aforesaid would not appear to clear himself but lies under the guilt as aforesaid and must bear his own burden And let all take warning that they do not appear like the false accuser as aforesaid lest judgement be their reward Now truth stands clear and Robert Gurdler doth nakedly appear to be an enemy to the truth and cannot clear himself of the lies slanders and false accusatitions cast out by him therefore upon him now they do remain and into the liars generation are they turned back from whence they came and now let him the said Robert Gurdler and his partakers in the envie against the truth stop their mouthes for speaking evil of those that they call Quakers Obj. An answer to that foolish objection of some who say Sin is not a thing nor things because say they that which is not to be seen felt or understood is nothing but so is sin saith fools therefore not a thing nor things and so nothing but a conceit or fancy and not a being or substance c. Answ Then that which may be seen felt or understood is a thing and things but sin is to be seen felt and understood or known therefore a thing and things For proof David he saw and felt his sins when he said mine iniquities are gone over my head Psal. 38.4 as a burden too heavy for me to bear and he that hath a burden is not unsensible of it but feels and knowes it when a man hath a sack of corn or a weight upon his back he feels it and doth understand or know the same so do such as are burdened with sin when Adam had sinned he saw his nakednesse and knew what he had done and his sin separated him from the Lord and such as say God doth not take any notice of their sin whom he once leaves c. I answer he once loved Adam but Adams sin caused God to take such notice of it as that he put him out of Paradise for it and remember that you that sin your sins makes a separation between God and you as Adam and such spoken of in Isaiah 59. did and Cain when he had sinned he knew it and said his punishment was greater then he could bear and you that do evill remember that Cain is your way and Iudas when he had sinned in betraying Christ he knew afterward that he had sinned and done evill and was accursed and separated from God and destruction was his end sin is such a thing that it is the cause of wo misery eternall destruction to such as continue in it Rom. 7. Rom. 8. 1 Cor. 6.9 10. Rev. 21.8 and 27. Paul he saw a body of sin and so felt or understood the same that he cryed out and said Oh wretched man that I am who shall deliver me from this body or substance of sin and he knew when he was delivered of the same and thanked God and Christ saith unto such as are weary and heavy laden come unto me Mat. 11.28 Rom. 3.19 20. Rom. 7.6 7. to the 13. Act. 3.13 39. now such as are weary and laden with sin feels the burden therefore sin is to be seen felt and understood or known to be sin and so a thing and such as are laden with sin feels it as the Apostle speaks of 2 Tim. 3.6 7. But Christ to such as obeyes the light and comes to him doth undo their heavy burdens and justifie them from all ungodlinesse and those things or sins which the law of Moses could not justifie them from and who shall lay any sin or such like thing to the charge of Gods elect Romans 8.32 33 34. 1 Iohn 34. Acts 13.39 FINIS
6,7 and Numb 18.20.21 And you tything priests by the same Law are to do all the service required as well as take tythes else you are dissemblers with God and man taking tythes and leaving the work undone and there never was any gospel allowance stop your mouthes But seeing you do take tythes where is vour store house to put the tythes in Malac. 3. Let that be known and where it is that the gates may be set open in every place of the nation that the poor the widows fatherlesse and strangers may come thither to be filled and satisfied that is to have out of them food and raiment that there may not be a beggar in England but be relieved and satisfied and have food and raiment out of the tythes as there was not to be a beggar in Israel but to be relieved filled and satisfied out of the tythes as may be read Deuir 14.27.28.29 But do you not you tything priests in England take tythe of the poor the widows fatherlesse and a so strangers if servants come and be shangers in a place or sojourners doing service from one year to another some of you take tythe out of their earnings or wages here you manifest your cruelty that so do and are even binding and have bound heavy burdens upon the poor but woe is your portion that do so Math. 23. Never such gospel ministers was known that ever the scripture maketh mention of but you are those thieves and robbers that Christ speaks of which never came in by the door as it is written Ioh. 10. chap. And you are robbers of the poor and do not what the law requires of you that commanded tythes to be paid to the Leviticall Priesthood but you are so farre from the gospel order that you are transgressours of the law instead of keeping it you break it and take tythes contrary to the law of God in the first covenant priesthood take tythes contrary to the law in that covenant for the poor the widows the fatherlesse strangers instead of paving tythes under the law was to be filled sat●sfied out of the tythes according to the law Deut. 14.27.28.29 but you that are tything priests in England take tythes of the poor and many widows and fatherlesse and strange●s for in many places the priests tythe servants wages taking a farthing at shilling and as their errour is Oh wicked seducers deluders and deceivers but woe to the wicked and to Gods adversaries for it shall go ill with them Isaiah 3.11 Isaiah 1.24 And you hold up that which Christ came to put an end to who hath fulfilled that law and covenant by which that the first priesthood was ordained and by which tythes were commanded to them to be paid and the priesthood being changed so he changed the law by which the priests were made and tythes paid so an end of the priesthood that received tythes by a law therefore an end of tythes the reward for your service and Christ is the summe and substance of all the things there spoken of who is of the tribe of Iudah that took no tithes neither did he take any nor his masters of the new covenant under the gospel therefore stop your mouthes a bout your tythes and also take shame to your selves restore to whom you have wronged by taking tythes professing your selves ministers of the gospel and restore four fold as Zaccheus who had been an oppressour upon his conversion did and also read Hebrews 7.8.9 and 10. chapters So in brief I leave that and come on to let you know by bringing things back to your remembrance c. That when your deceits and the deceits of the priests of England were declared against that day and laid open to your understandings and in your presence that it even cut you to the heart who had so often that day sighed and groaned to the hearing of others and then thou Andrew Trusterom Priest of Clent went out of the room being accused in thy conscience and pricked with it but that which did accuse thee doth accuse thee and will be a swift witnesse against thee thou cannot flee it to the grave and the pit it will follow to witnesse a gainst thee and upon thee answer it will the judgements of God to be just if it thou hate and still disobey therefore be advised I warn thee and give over deceiving the people for their own ends But to come on having left thee without excuse as well as the rest this is to bring to remembrance and let thee and the rest know that when thou was fled and going out of the room when the meeting was I then ceased declaring to take away slanders and prejudices and otherwise might have been raised and I turned me about towards the other Priest Osland Pastor to the independent company at Bewdley so called that be might have some time to answer my question and object what he or others had to object that truth might be cleared and according to my promise I propounded to him a question after I had ended my speech to the people and therein had laid open your deceits and the deceits of the priests of the world to the people which question was this The beginning of the dispute What death it was that had reigned over those that had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression and what it was in mankind that such a death had reigned over how he could witnesse in the inward ministrations through deaths reign through Moses or the judgements and through the prophecyings to John in the wildernesse and how in his burnings and shineings to the least in the kingdom what the soul and spirit of man was and how to be known asunder because the word of the Lord divideth asunder betwixt the soul and spirit as it is written Heb. 4.12 But to this question I received but only a shuffle in stead of an answer and be said call in my brother which was priest Trusterom and thou coming in seemed as though thou would answer it but yet it is from you without its answer Then it followes that you either could not answer the question propounded and so acknowledged the same by your fleeing from it and leaving it without its full answer or else that you would not answer it and so to further manifested your lies lying spirit saying you would answer it and did not but left it and yet it remains without its true and full answer to manifest your lying false spirits and hereby know we the spirit of truth and your spirit of errour asunder and that it is the last time as John faith Little children it is the last time and as ye have heard that Antichrist shall come even now are there many Antichrists whereby we know that it is the last time Ioh. 4.1 to the 7. 1 Ioh. 2.18 and that you are of the Antichristian ministry and the Antichristian ministers Then you had a speech seeingly to
Good●●r Tho. Chanler and others What wicked blasphemy is this and a gap to profanenesse If so that the devil was guided by the holy Spirit to call Jesus Lord then every drunkard thief whore monger and profane person may say they are guided by the holy Spirit if the devil was for such are his servants and he their master But the devil was not guided by the holy Spirit to say so to wit as aforesaid no more are they therefore Oasland thou art a perverter of the right wayes of the Lord as Elymas was Acts the 13. and so full of all mischief and a child of the devil as he was verse 8. and 10. and taught to blaspheme and lie by the spirit of thy father the devil who was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him then not the holy Spirit of truth for him to call Jesus Lord by as thou saidst he did for he speaketh lies and when he speaketh them he is the father of them they are his own read John 8.44 to be a witnesse against thee and all such Elymas was not guided by the holy Ghost when he withstood the truth but he was guided by the spirit of the devil as thou wast when thou so blasphemously saidst but Elymas was smitten by the holy Ghost for opposing the truth and judgement came upon him for it and Ananias and Sapphira were slain by the holy Ghost for lying against him Acts 5. And thy case is dangerous but smitten thou art by the light in thy conscience and this is a b●ot and stain to it and to thy profession and judgements will pursue thee and overtake thee and vengeance from God for the same except of it thou speedily repent and openly declare against that thy blasphemy own thy errour therein and thy condemnation upon it and take shame to thy self stop thy mouth and cover thy lips Simon Magus was not guided by the holy Spirit when he would have bought it with money but was in the gall of bitternesse and bond of iniquity as thou art that so lies against the truth Act. 8.18.19.20.21 And as no man can call Jesus Lord but by the holy Ghost then such as have not the holy Ghost guiding them cannot by it so call him but the devil and his angels have not the holy Ghost therefore they that have it not cannot with it and by it so call him And Christ himself saith to some Why call ye me Lord Lord and do not the things that I say Luke 6.46 Such as disobey Christs counsell doctrine and commands cannot by the holy Ghost call Jesus Lord in truth but the devil and devillish men disobey Christs counsell doctrine and commands and keep not his sayings therefore they are not guided by the holy Ghost nor cannot by it and with it call Jesus Lord so the gap is hedged up by the holy Ghost But the wicked and such as are deceived by the devil are to be with him cast into the lake of fire to be tormented for ever and ever Rev. 20.10 and such as have not their names written in the Lambes book of life are to be cast into the lake of fire Rev. 20.15 and such as those spoken of Rev. 21.8 and all such are shut out from God and to be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power as are spoken of Rev. 21.27 Rev. 22.15 2 Thess 1.8.9 Thus hath your folly been made manifest as the resisters of the truth before you and as yours is that are resisters of the truth now like such spoken of 2 Tim. 3.1.2.3 c. vers the 8. 9. And thus are your deceits discovered your wickednesse also but they are comprehended chained and with the light condemned therefore silence deceivers But it is good that you have uttered your folly that it may appear to your view which hath lien hid in your old bottles and dock bottomes which now is uncovered and you seen to be painted harlots and serpents like such spoken of Matth. 23. the 25.26 to the 34. read your hearts with the light see also your lies and confusion and stuff of such sort acknowledge your errours own your condemnation to be just thereupon give over deceiving the people and take shame to your selves though the dark see you not yet the children of light doth you and all such as you are both see and comprehend and all your pernicious wayes praised be the Lord who hath raised up a light in his people to see your nakednesse from the truth covered but not with the Spirit of the Lord and so to uncover your skirts your covers will not hide you but leave you naked and bare to the single eyed or children of light also read that commandment which is for you oh Priests it is in Malachy 2.1.2 to the 10. Some short and clear demonstrations laid down concerning the light Some short and clear demonstrations laid down as followeth and proved by plain scripture to shew the honest hearted the truth of that pure light of the gospel of Christ which is so stumbled at with dark minds which may also further serve to clear the accusations that were against the truth that day and before in Worcestershire at Bramsgrave and other places concerning the light that truth may also stand pure in its own place and pure being and stand a witnesse against lying spirits seducers and deceive s who live in errour and deceit 1 Pet. 2.6.7 that stumble at the light now as the Jewes and chief Priests and their party did before Wherefore it is contained in scripture Behold I lay in Sion a chief corner stone elect precious and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded unto you therefore which believe he is precious but unto them which be disobedient the stone which the builders disallowed the same is made the head of the corner 1 Pet. 2.6.7 First demonstration c. Christ he is the light of the world and the true light that enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world and he hath said that such as follow him the true light they shall not walk in darknesse but shall have the light of life as Christ himself hath said see his own words of truth and Johns words that bare record of him for proof to demonstrate and shew and also witnesse to the same grounded truth which is so much stumbled at read Joh. 1.9 Joh. 8.12 Secondly Seeing that Christ is the light of the world as he himself hath said who is to be beli ved and hath also said that such as follow him the light of the world they shall not walk in darknesse but shall have the light of life and John that bare reco d of Christ the light of the world he hath witnessed in his record of him and said that he is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world then such as