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A54844 The new discoverer discover'd by way of answer to Mr. Baxter his pretended discovery of the Grotian religion, with the several subjects therein conteined : to which is added an appendix conteining a rejoynder to diverse things both in the Key for Catholicks, and in the book of disputations about church-government and worship, &c. : together with a letter to the learned and reverend Dr. Heylin, concerning Mr. Hickman and Mr. Bashaw / by Thomas Pierce ... Pierce, Thomas, 1622-1691. 1659 (1659) Wing P2186; ESTC R44 268,193 354

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England who were violently cast out of their Livings and that by men of their own Profession Some you say never preached and if others had never preached the Church of God had been happier then she hath been by their preaching for Schism Blood-shed but read the Book of Common Prayer and was not that better then some of your preaching if you preach no better then you have printed as you are said to print little but what you preach Some you say preached worse then they that were never called preachers How much worse did they preach who preached against their own Governours and blowed the coles of Sedition into a conquering Flame You say and say onely That some understood not the Catechism or Creed But did they better understand it who dream'd themselves able to make a better To depart from such Evil is understanding Iob 28.28 You say that many of them lived more in the Alehouse then in the Church and used to lead their people in Drunkenness Cursing Swearing Quarrelling and other ungodly Practices c. And thus you pour out your passion to a considerable part of your Sect. 26. The Indefinite Accuser brought to his triall by some particulars But now it comes to my turn to propose a few things to your consideration First did the men of your party cast out none but such as these Or was it for such things as these that any Complier was ever ejected who would but take the Negative Oath the Scotish Covenant raile against the King and Bishops cry Curse ye Meroz or raise up good store of loan upon publick Faith But let us come to some particulars which may put your Generals out of countenance I will but give you a Specimen in several kinds Did Bishop Hall never preach or Bishop Duppa pre●ch worse then they that were never called Preachers Did not Bishop Davenant understand his Catechism nor Bishop Morton his Creed yet how were They spoyled of their Estates and clapt up Prisoners in the (a) Note that of the 12. Bishops who were voted to the Tower Bishop Morton B. Hall at least were two Tower whilest the most ignorant and the most scandalous had both their Livelyhoods and Liberties indulged to them Of those that preached in the Great City the first occurring to my mind were Doctor Holdsworth D. Howel Doctor Hacket Doctor Heywood Doctor Westfield Doctor Walton Doctor Featly and Doctor Rives Doctor Brough Doctor Marsh Mr. Shute Mr. Hall and besides the Reverend D. Fuller now Dean of Durham since the naming of whom I think of the Reverend Mr. Udall These did not live more in the Alehouse then in the Church The Fame of their Piety and their Learning is long since gone throughout the Churches yet Mr. Shute was molested and vext to death and denied a Funeral Sermon to be preacht by Doctor Holdsworth as he desired Doctor Holdsworth was cast out of his Mastership in Cambridge sequestred from his Benefice in the City of London a long time imprisoned at Ely House and the Tower Doctor Walton who hath put forth the late Biblia Polyglotta was not onely sequestred but assaulted also and plundered and forced to flie Doctor Rives Doctor Howel Doctor Hacket and Mr. Hall were sequestred and plundered and forced to fly for their lives Doctor Marsh was sequestred and made to die in remote parts Doctor Brough was plundered as well as s●questred his Wife and Children turn'd out of doors and his Wife struck dead with grief Doctor Westfield was sequestred abused in the streets and forced to fly Doctor Featly was sequestred and plundered and died a Prisoner Doctor Fuller was sequestred and plundered and withall imprisoned at Ely House Mr. Udal was not onely sequestred himself but his bed-rid wife was also cast out of doors and inhumanely left in the open streets Doctor Heywood was sequestred and toss'd from prison to prison put in the Counter Ely House and the Ships his Wife and Children turn'd out of doors Could the Ejection of a few scandalous unlearned men supposing them really such and regularly ejected have made amends for such Riots as were committed upon men of so exceeding great worth Go from the City into the Countrey and you will find the case the very same Such venerable persons as Doctor Gillingham Doctor Hintchman Doctor Mason and Doctor Rauleigh Mr. Sudberie Mr. Threscross Mr. Simmons and Mr. Farrington and a very great multitude of the like whom nothing but want of Time and love of Brevity doth make me forbear to reckon further were used like Dunces and Drunkards by your Reformers though powerful Preachers and pious Men men so eminent for learning and so exemplary for life that 't is scandalous to be safe when su●h men suffer as Malefactors To let you see briefly what it was by which they were qualified for Ruine I will tell you a story of Mr. Simmons the most exemplary Pastor of Rayn in Essex who being sent for up to the House of Commons by a Pursevant was told That being an honest man he did more prejudice to the good cause in hand then a hundred Knaves and therefore would suffer accordingly So he did in great plenty his whole life after And who should be sent into his place but a scandalous Weaver who cannot seemingly be nam'd Do but read that sober and useful Book entitled Angliae Ruina and then you will be likely to change your stile If none had been thrown out of Oxford but Doctor Sheldon Doctor Mansell Doctor Sanderson Doctor Hammond or none out of Cambridge but Doctor Lany Doctor Brownrigg Doctor Cosins and Doctor Collins Mr. Thorndike Mr. Gunning Mr. Oley and Mr. Barrow no excuse could have been made for so great a Dishonour to Religion See Angliae Ruina ●r Mercurius Rustic But above all let me commend a famous passage to your remembrance Doctor Stern Doctor Martin Doctor Beale men of eminent Integrity exemplary Lives and exceeding great Learning and Heads of several Colledges in the University of Cambridge were carried away Captives from thence to London there thrust up into the Tower thence removed to another prison They often petitioned to be heard and br●●ght to Iudgement but could not obtain either Liberty or Triall After almost a years imprisonment they were by order from the Houses put all on ship-board it was upon Friday Aug. 11.1643 No sooner came they to the ship call'd The prosperous Sayler but straight they were put under Hatches where the Decks were so low as that they could not stand upright and yet were denied stools to sit on yea and a burden of straw whereon to lie There were crowded up in that little Vessel no less then 80 Prisoners of Quality Where that they might stifle one another the very Augur-holes and Inlets of any fresh Air were very carefully stopp'd up And what became of them after I have not heard But let these things serve to make up my first consideration Secondly Because you would