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A67444 P. W's reply to the person of quality's answer dedicated to His Grace, the Duke of Ormond. Walsh, Peter, 1618?-1688. 1682 (1682) Wing W640A; ESTC R222373 129,618 178

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And I refer him besides to the several Petitions of late exhibited by Sir Robert Talbott Baronet and Colo●e● Gerro●t Moore and others in behalf of their Countrymen to his Majesty at London when a Committee of the Council sate there or the whole Council did upon the debate betwixt the Convention Commissioners first and after these betwixt the present Parliament of Dublins Commissioners of one side and those of the Irish Catholicks of the other at several times And referr him likewise to some other Papers then printed at London in answer to some writings published or given by those of the Convention against the said Catholicks and on this Subject In which Petitions and printed Papers as likewise in so many other publick and private addresses at both times the request of the Catholick Irish Nobility and Gentry there was very urgent in behalf of themselves and the whole Nation of their party that all murthers on both sides might be without any exception tryed and punished according to Law 139. Now wherefore the publick and known Representatives of the Confederates the general Assembly of the whole Nation which consisted of their Lords Spiritual and Temporal Knights of Shires and Burgesses of Corporations did provide so for the punishment of all barbarous and inhumane Crimes committed by any of their own sides and the Commissioners Nobility and Gentry at London since his Majesties Restauration did petition and desire that all murthers of both sides may be exempted from any pardon or out of any general Act of Oblivion and Indempnity and that this Gentleman's Friends for whom he pleads would not assent to this there is no man of reason but understands it was therefore because the Irish Nation who concluded and submitted to that Peace were not guilty of the bloodiness of that Stage by barbarous or inhumane Crimes or by Murthers notwithstanding any other guilt that might be justly charg'd upon them And that those who charge them so exorbitantly with such found themselves or those of their Party more truly chargeable with more numerous and more barbarous and more inhumane Crimes and Murthers which in a superlative degree blooded that very Stage too of Ireland whereon they had acted and yet but p●rtly their own proper guilt For many of them did likewise partly act their guilt also on that of Great Britain even the most horrid guilt imaginable by the most bloody and most execrable Murther and in the most unheard of and most hideous manner of the best and most innocent of Kings 4. But his 4th and last difference in the Cases remains Pag. 91. as yet Saul 's Children were not executed sayes he for their Father his having made the Gibeonites hewers of wood and drawers of water the utmost that the Protestants desire even to the worst principled of the Irish Papists but for killing the Gibeonites after they were peaceably slaves So that those Judgements P. W. seems to threaten his Majesty with if they have not the Articles of 1648. made good he and his Country-men have only reason to fear for his Majesty kept them and they have broke them The Man in the dark in England was once upon thoughts of relying on this difference but immediately after finding the unsignificancy of that evasion and his own weakness therein or rather indeed the clearness and evidence and applicableness of my Example to the purpose I drove and of all passages of holy Scripture made use of by me in my Letter changed his resolution and confessed in plain terms he would not answer me at this weapon Adding too some prophane expressions that not unsignificantly imported he would not have the Saints governed by the Oracles of God or believe in them but when they made for gaining or preserving to them the good things of the Earth And that so manifest confession of his made me slight in my Reply to his Irish Colours displayed the transient reflection he made on the Gibeonites being made hewers of wood and drawers of water 140. But for as much as a Person of Quality professedly insists upon it as his very last refuge to shew at least some kind of difference that might seem not immaterial I will not slight his Animadversions on this subject but take the pains to prove them as unfortunate as any of those he hath given all along either in his Parallel or difference of both Cases or indeed in any other passage of his Book since he turned Divine I must therfore let the Reader know this Gentleman hath not yet declined his customary arts of endeavouring to impose on the simplicity of some and careless observation of others in running over his lines not eve● to impose as much as in him lyes on holy Scripture in this very passage For I demand of himself whether he would not have the Reader understand him here as if King Saul had been the man that made the Gibeonites hewers of wood and drawers of water And this to have been a slavery and oppression so grievous as it might be answerable to that he would perswade his Majesty to lay on the Irish by depriving them for ever of their Estates of their Cities Corporations Villages Houses Lands of all their Liberties either Civil or Religious And to have been moreover against the Articles of the League made with Joshua And besides that King Sauls Children were executed only for their Fathers killing of those Gibeonites And the three years mortal Famine on the twelve Tribes of Israel was for that killing alone And that neither this Famine nor that Execution have been even in any part for any of those other oppressions the Gibeonites suffered from Saul And further yet that no kind of unjust oppressions of these peaceable Slaves would have had provoked the wrath of God in any wise against Saul or his Children or the People had he abstained only from that of killing And lastly that all that Vengeance upon their Tribes aad the seven Children of Saul had no relation to the breach of Arricles or of the League formerly made with the Gibeonites and should have been either deserved by or inflicted for the cruelty of Saul to these poor people had they never made by themselves or by their Predecessors before them any kind of League with the Israelites If our Person of Quality shall answer his meaning was not to abuse the Reader so or to perswade him to any of those Particulars I demand of him then what will his acute Animadversion signifie to prove any difference here that is not very immaterial Would it not be think you Reader an excellent Ratiocination if this Gentleman discoursed thus in plain terms Saul's Children were not executed nor the twelve Tribes of Israel punished with a grievous Famine of three years because the Gibeonites had been continued by Saul hewers of wood and drawers of Water unto the House of the Lord as they had been many hundreds of years before and had been so
without any injury or breach of their first Articles or any farther slavery imposed upon them but Saul's Children were executed and the twelve Tribes punished so because that King did kill some of them and did not simply kill them but killed them against Articles and against Articles sworn unto by invocation of the God of Israel and did not only kill some of them against Articles so confirmed but attempted to destroy all their Countrymen for ever and consequently brought on such as did survive all those other miseries and oppressions which must have attended his cruel attempt to deprive them their Wives and Children and all their Nation of their Cities of their Corporations of their Houses of their Lands of all their Liberties Religious and Civil and by consequence of their Lives too or certainly to bring evills on them worse than death Therefore his Majesty needs not fear the application of that Example or of that Judgement of God on the House of Saul or of any part of it or the like or of any proportionable to the publick and horrid sin of the notorious breach of Articles and even the breach of them by destroying not four Cities nor four Corporations alone but a hundred and twenty or thirty thousand Proprietors and a million of Relations depending of them yea a whole and great Nation by depriving them all for ever of all their Towns Villages Houses Lands Liberties both Religious and Civil and I say by depriving them thus against the express letter and sense of Articles of Peace and of such Articles too as they had for their parts punctually kept provided only that his Majesty killed not the Gibeonites by shedding their blood though he make them groan perpetually under oppressions more unsupportable to free-born Subjects than death it self 141. Think you not Reader this would be a most excellent Retiocination in plain terms That is a very false impertinent Conclusion derived without any Cause from very true and very pertinent Premisses And yet behold that which our Person of Quality our acute Logician and very Christian Divine must own as contained in his fourth Difference if he do not own that first meaning I gave and all the particulars of it above by me explained as that indeed which to inferr his wicked Conclusion must have been virtually contained in so few lines of his fourth Difference 142. But lest our Person of Quality be more troubled that he should be thought to have committed an Errour against the Topicks of Aristotle and Rules which Logick teaches to guide Argumentations than he could be known to have either ignorantly or willfully imposed on holy Scripture and no less wickedly for such a purpose than ungroundedly have commented on it I will save you Reader some pains by examining here every of those Particulars which he must of necessity insist upon to maintain that meaning or any rational inference from such premisses or material difference in the cases 143. And to begin with that of Saul his having made the Gibeonites hewers of wood and drawers of water I shall give you no further trouble than to read the ninth Chapter of the Book of Joshua where you shall find that convinced of Joshua 9 v. 23. manifest imposture For the one and twentieth and three and twentieth Verse of that Chapter tell plainly it was Joshua himself and the Princes and People with him long before Saul's dayes God wot even some hundreds of years that made the Predecessors of those Gibeonites and Posterity after them for ever and consequently those in Saul's time hewers of wood and drawers of water for the House of my God sayes Joshua himself 144. That this condition imposed on the Gibeonites by Joshua was neither against Articles nor at all an oppression so grievous as to be answerable in any kind to those merciless oppressions this Gentleman would press his Majesty to lay for ever on the Catholick Irish cannot be denied Not that I mean to say the Articles did not oblige Joshua before he confirmed them after true knowledge had of the Country of the People with whom he made that League though I might upon very good grounds deny there was before then any obligation on him arising from that League as barely such or as abstracting from other circumstances of natural equity or of some special revelation of Gods pleasure to confirm it whereas relying thereon the Gibeonites had unfurnished themselves of all defence and made themselves new enemies of all their old friends the adjoyning Kings but because the slavery imposed was not against Articles or the nature of a league made with Strangers become Subjects or even against the Liberties of natural Subjects especially in that Commonwealth where viler ministeries imposed for the House of God were accounted no burden nor oppression and because the Gibeonites notwithstanding their slavery which this Gentleman of purpose would heighten to abuse the Reader with that of Hewers of Wood and Drawers of Water enjoyed their Goods their Houses and their Villages and their Lands and their Territories and their mighty Cities whereof the tenth Chapter Joshua c. 10. v. 2. of Joshua tells that Gabaa was a Royal one Which kind of slavery I dare promise the Catholicks of Ireland would freely undergoe to serve the Tabernacle of God if our Person of Quality and his friends would be content that his Majesty should let them enjoy withall the other advantages of their Peace as the Gibeonites did of theirs 145. Concerning the particular of Saul's Children to have been executed only for killing the Gibeonites I believe the testimony of the very executioners those other Gibeonites themselves who escaped the designs and fury of Saul nay beyond exception disprove him and prove manifestly this truth that Saul's Children were not executed by them for his only killing of their brethren but for his other oppressions also and for his farther designs against all their Countrymen universally Virum qui attrivit nos oppressit iniquè ita delere debemus ut ne unus quidem residuus sit de stirpeillius in cunctis finibus Israel Dentur nobis septem viri de filiis ejus ut crucifigamus eos Domino in Gabaa Saul quondam electi Domini The man that consumed u● 1 Samuel 2. Chap. 5 and 6. Verse and that devised against us that we should be destroyed from remaining in any of the Coasts of Israel let 7. men of his Son● be delivered unto us and we will hang them up unto the Lord in Gibeah of Saul whom the Lord did chuse are the very words of the Gibeonites that executed them and witness this truth in the one and twentieth Chapter of the second Book of Kings as the Title and Order of these Books are in the vulgar Edition Without question these men that speak here were then alive or not killed when they spake thus And surely the plundering of their Goods and the beating them out of their Cities Houses and Lands the
entertained by a few Citizens of one or two or three of their Towns and services lost and the Enemies power escaped through the peevish refractoriness or unreasonable distrusts of some and the heads of their Clergy besides endeavouring by threats of spiritual censures to withdraw the obedience of all their great and numerous Body from his Majesties Lieutenant over them but not prevailing herein as to the generality or farr greater part though hindring very much the service against the common Enemy And put the case too that all had been finally undone and the Kingdom lost occasionally through such unlawful oppositions of a few or the lesser part and yet that both sides of them as well the disobedient as obedient had to the last man refused any Capitulations with such their common Enemy to serve him against the King but had even very many thousands even three or four legions of them withdrawn out of the Country and ran his Majesties fortune abroad or waited his commands and in all Countries roamed after him perpetually fixing all their hopes upon and quitting all other services under forein Princes for him but such only as might stand with his pleasure alwayes ready to venture again limb and life to reinthrone his Majesty as likewise the remainders of them at home under the prevalent Usurpers had been waiting all opportunities for that end and therefore upon that account partly if not principally as persons suspected made the most miserable slaves in the World and every new Moon confined to Gaols And suppose that after many years had been so past over by this Person of Quality and his Party some wandring in exile abroad others at home groaning in captivity all waiting with impatience the occasion and hour God of his mercy were pleased at last to throw an Apple of Discord amongst those in that case now supposed usurping Victours to wit P. W. and his Party and raise between them such irreconcileable feuds as together with the continual fears arising partly from those abroad in banishment and those at home in bondage though peradventure principally from the more numerous Party of old Cavalliers and from their Friends dispersed in the three Nations had forced them viz. the said usurping Victours to concurr to though with much reluctancy or rather to behold but with heavy hearts and armes across the calling home of his Majesty to the possession of his Fathers Throne administration of Justice or dispensation of Mercy to each one of his people throughout the British Empire answerable to their several capacities and to the Laws and to the equity of them and above all to his own gracious benign and merciful Genius And suppose yet further that that usurping people which had partly so called or so looked upon his Majesty returning home and which had kept too this Person of Quality and his Friends for so many years in exile and slavery had been those too who had all along concurred and even acted with such others as bereaved his Majesties dear Father of his life contrived the Oath of Abjuration and so many others took it and the rest all and further made and to their power observed and forced upon others the observation of all those Oaths and Acts we have seen against the Line of King James and Family of the Stuarts and that the same Usurpers the supposed Enemies in our present case had for that concurrence of theirs and prosecution of it enjoyed so long the Lands and Estates of this very Person of Quality and his Friends even a great Kingdom And suppose lastly that after all his Majesty were sitting as he now is to administer Justice to all his Subjects indifferently and to give withall incomparable arguments of his Clemency and that P. W. were pleading there for himself and his own Party supposed still in such a case to be of that side whereof our Person of Quality and his People are now and were pleading there not for Pardon or Indempnity alone to himself and his Friends but for the acquisition moreover and continuation and that by a new Law too or by a Law to be made anew for that purpose against all former fundamental Laws and for the enjoyment for ever by his Majesties grant all the Lands Houses c. belonging formerly o● before the Wars to this Person of Quality and other his Friends who fighting so many years continually for the King were in that Cause dispossessed of them by him that is by P. W. and his Partners and that P. W. were pleading too against innocent Children the Rebellion at any time of their Fathers although early Converts and alwayes after constant Subjects and were pleading I say for the acquisition or continuation to himself and his of the Rights and Lands belonging othewise to them even by entail made in consideration of a Marriage-Portion given by their Mothers I demand in such a case not whether this Person of Quality pleading on the other side admitted unquestionably by all indifferent to be the better side would allow P. W. the impudence of such a Plea but whether he would find it any difficult matter to shew the unfitness of that Example of the Seven Sons of Saul hanged up to the Lord in Gibeah of Saul to justifie in that supposed case or to perswade or even to move his Majesty to the cutting off all Entails even such as were made before the War begun and such too as were made in consideration of a Marriage-Portion paid or move his Majesty to the bereaving of all right of succession or inheritance in their Fathers Estates the Children of his in such a case long suffering and loyal Party even those very Children that were not actually guilty of their Fathers Rebellion Or would he think it an hard task to prove the unsignificancy of the next allusion That till Justice was done the Famine lasted and after it was done the Famine ceased Or the ineptitude also to his end of that following Antithesis Those lost their Lives for their Fathers Sin but these if any lose but their Fathers forfeited Lands for their Fathers Crimes And whether he would not think that not only his Majesty and all the Court but all indifferent Persons on Earth would laugh even to scorn the brazen face of P. W. or at least his very extreme lack both of Grace and of Reason if in such a case he made use of this Rhetorical Divinity which our Person of Quality uses against him to get the Lands of all such Innocents the Children in our supposition of this Person of Quality's repentant early Converts bestowed on himself and his Clients still supposed in the case to have fought all along against his Majesty and continued obstinate even to the last hour in pursuance of the Good Old Cause and to have dispossessed those very Children of this Person of Quality and his Friends and to have dispossessed their Fathers too fighting for the Royal Quarrel 159. But not to perplex the
Reader any more with this imaginary case or the Person of Quality with troublesome apprehensions how to answer in it without speaking his own condemnation out of his own mouth let us on both sides put off our suppositious Persons and return again to our own he to his and I to mine and both to the case indeed which has a real being And let the Reader judge of my following Answers to his evill Application of that Example of Saul's Children c. For I must tell him First That the hanging up to the Lord of the Children of Saul in Gibeah of Saul cannot be a Precedent to any mortal Man King or inferiour Judge to warrant the like or other punishment of Innocents unless an Oracle of God or a special Revelation or Inspiration extraordinary from Heaven did speak the pleasure of God to that purpose as in the permission given by David to put those Children of Saul to death That otherwise or without such an Oracle or some heavenly Inspiration that were indubitably such David had most grievously sinned in putting to death the Children of Saul for that breach of Saul even sinned I say against the ordinary known Law of God in Deuteron 20. Chapter 16 Verse N●n occidentur Patres pro Filiis nec Filii pro Patribus sed u●uquisque pro peccato suo morietur The Fathers shall not be put to death for the Children neither the Children shall be put death for the Fathers every man shall be put to death for his own sin Which the Prophet Ezechiel some Ages after did again declare to be the will of God The Son shall not bear the iniquity of the Fa●her neither shall the Father bear the iniquity of the Son the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself the Soul that sinneth it shall dye Ezechiel 18 Chap. 20 Verse And therefore that instead of diverting the wrath of God from the People David were more like to incense it more and more and continue the Famine and other scourges had he without a special dispensation from God given over to death innocent Children for the sin of their Father That it is more than our Person of Quality can be assured of whether the seven Sons of Saul who were hanged to R●bby Salomon apud Lyran hic 2 Reg ●1 v. 6. the Lord in Gibeah of Saul had been guiltless or not actually guilty in their own persons of the blood or oppression of the Gibeonites That however this be or whatever may be thought of that Law in Deuteronomy or of the repetition of it in Ezechiel our Person of Q●ality will not say his Majesty or any other earthly King is bound in Conscience by that precedent of David or that it may be either convenient or exdient for his Majesty to look upon it now as a pattern for himself either in relation to the Children of such Fathers as are known to have washed off the guilt of their Insurrection by a very early Repentance and a very constant Obedience ever since 48. And who moreover can plead the justice and indempnity of Articles which they have not forfeited or even to the Children of those others who have been so unfortunate the second time as to have broke that Peace of 48. albeit they did never submit to or concurr with the Regicides For if our Person of Quality will insist upon any such Obligation of Conscience or even Expediency as arising thence and that his Majesty were once perswaded thereof what should then become of this Gentleman and his beloved People in relation to whom there must be in all Contingencies a farr greater tye of Conscience or a farr greater Expediency arising from that very Example to punish them What I say of his or their Children even such as have not been actually guilty of their Fathers Rebellions Rebellions ten thousand times more hainons more execrable than that of the worst principled of the Irish can be justly said to have been 160. And if our Person of Quality would in case of any such resolution in his Majesty enter into a Plea of Justice grounded now indeed upon that of the Letters from Breda or Acts of Indempnity confirmed by assent Royal and would enter this Plea of Justice not for the innocent Children alone but their Fathers too of his Party who had not since that Oblivion trespassed against the Laws Why may not à fortiori the Catholicks of Ireland who broke not their Articles be admitted likewise to a Plea of Justice yea notwithstanding their former Rebellions Their Crimes have been less and their Repentance earlyer and their Suffering for the King without any compare by him or his for those of this Person of Quality's Party never suffered the least affliction or one sole moment for his Majesty 161. Or if the dispute had been before the Act of Indemnity or Letters of Breda or any Promise given or if this Gentleman's Plea must have been Mercy alone as verily it should be in that Case or before any such Letters Acts or Promises even for the Children of his People even for such of their Children as were not actually guilty of their Fathers most truly unpar●ll●l●d Rebellions Wherefore may not the Irish that even forfeited so as above-said the benefit of their Articles in 48. be admitted to that P●ea too and hope even for that Mercy to themselves and to their Children also which this Person of Quality would sue for to his own in this last Case 162. And if to these or to their sute for Mercy in such a case that example of Saul's Children hang'd in Gibeah of Saul could be no obstruction no hinderance of his Majesties consciencious gracious and mercifull pardon or gift even to their Children after them of their Fathers Inheritance before the Wars and not only of such as were entayl'd neither can it be in the present case of the Irish or of such of them as have broke even the Peace of 48. any more but rather much less groundedly alleged to debarr his Majesties compassion of their Children or themselves either 163. Secondly Or to his allusion to the Famine continued until Justice was done c. I must tell him also the answer is very obvious that for the wrong done the Gibeonites Pag. 92. there was no punishment inflicted no reparation made no Justice done by the hand of Man before the seven Sons of Saul were hanged And therefore we may conceive it is very suitable to the Justice of God that Famine should last until even some descending from his very loyns that so cruelly oppressed the Gibeonites against publick Faith or Covenant were punished by the very hands of the self same people Whereby to teach the world how horrible must be the Sin of Article-breaking Whereon peradventure the very chosen Israelites themselves had not otherwise much reflected But for the wrongs done by the Irish Catholicks at any time since the
first insurrection on the 23 of October 41. not seven persons alone but seven thousand nay sevenscore if not seventy times seven score thousand have been long since punished by the Justice and by the hands of men and punished even most exemplarly and not the nocent only but the innocent without any distinction or compassion even armless and harmless day-labourers and women and children even babes and Chrysome-sucklings hanging at their Mothers breasts yea very many punished in a legal way tryed in open Courts condemned executed hang'd shot beheaded and quartered So that to pretend in this case of Ireland any defect of exemplary punishment or sufficient publick Justice even by the hand of Man and from such defect a Famine or other visible Judgement upon the Kingdom now or since the Restoration of his Majesty were to allege a cause that is not and an effect which we perceive not being we cannot but see and acknowledge ever since that happy return of his Majestie a return likewise of all plenty and other both earthly and heavenly blessings throughout his Majesties Dominions Which had this Person of Quality better considered it is like he would not have mentioned here in this allusion the lasting of the Famine till Justice was done and the ceaslng of it after that was done For if his allusion hold the cessation of all those foregoing publique Judgements and the succession of the greatest mercies throughout the English Empire must be rather an argument that so much Justice is done already as the just anger of God required than that any more should be 164. Thirdly Or to shew the ineptitude likewise to his end of his Antithesis Those lost their lives for their Fathers Sin but these if any lose but their Fathers forfeited Pag. 92. Estates P. W. entreats the Reader to weigh this following Ratiocination which our Person of Quality will find himself obliged to build upon it 165. By Miracle and by Oracle or by a special Revelation or Inspiration from Heaven and by wonderful Judgements on the twelve Tribes of Israel universally for three whole years David the Prophet and Familiar of God was instructed that it was the good will of God notwithstanding the Law of Moses to the contrary he should resign to the Gibeonites the 7 Sons of Saul though innocent of their Fathers Crimes to lose their lives Therefore his Majesty without any kind of Miracle Oracle Revelatiō Inspiration or any visible Judgement inducing him may for the sin of others long since repented or at least pardoned by Articles resign over and for ever also to such men as this Person of Quality and his Associates are the Rights Estates and Inheritances of above seventy thousand innocent Children and Children unquestionably innocent and Children to Fathers too that fighting as became loyal Subjects did through Gods permission thereby make themselves and these their Children so miserable as they are known to be at present and to have been those ten years past And his Majesty not only may but ought to do so And not only may or ought not to regard the condition of Innocency or the justice of publick Articles of Peace or the Laws of God or Nations in this Case but even to forget his never to be forgotten Clemency to a million of other Children and Children to Parents guilty of more atrocious Rebellions than the most frequently or most obstinately guilty of these Irish Childrens Fathers 166. Behold Reader the Argument contained in that rare Antithesis And if this be not Logick out of Schools and Divinity out of Hell I confess I know not what it may be But this Person of Quality will perhaps defend both with his English Interest and his Protestant Religion though I am perswaded he could sometimes have shaken hands for his own Interest and his own Religion with the most disloyal Genevians in Scotland and thrive there too amongst them The second Particular is Though even the Spirit of God it self Pag. 92. witnesseth that Saul sought to slay the Gibeonites in his Zeal to the Children of Israel and Juda yet that it self could not silence or suspend the Justice of God And therefore let P. W. know that though in the third Article of their Instructions to the titular Bishop of Fernes and Sir Nicholas Plunkett their Commissioners to Rome they own to the Pope that in their Zeal they raised Armes for the freedom of the Catholick Religion yet no Zeal in Religion can apologize for or will hinder the effects of Gods Justice on his Countrymen for their unparallel'd Murthers and their often breaches against Nature and against Stipulation To do evill that good may come of it may be the Doctrine of Rome but is not the Doctrine of Christ and by the fruit the tree is best known 167. I am inclinable to believe there is nothing of Zeal as this Gentleman gives it in that passage or any other of these Instructions not that I think it had been improper to such as had been reduced to the straights the Confederates were in then although some of themselves brought themselves and all the rest to such even by a very unlawful rejection of the first Peace in 46. But that I know my self those of the supreme Council was then to have been of this perswasion that no Zeal of Religion could warrant before God or Man the justice of raising Armes against the Prince Magistrate or Laws And that I know the Commissioners sent by the Confederates to Oxford and Dublin pleaded alwayes the necessity was put upon them by the Lords Justices even for the safety of their lives to take Armes Besides this Gentleman who is curious enough in distinguishing material words related unto by a different Character from the Roman that is by Italick Letters omitted to give so here that word Zeal albeit the only word was material above all the rest there which yet he delivers in Italique as part of that third Instruction And this partly too makes me suspect it as a pretty additional invention of purpose to parallel the Zeal of Saul in killing the Gibeonites which I said in my Letter could not divert the wrath of God incensed against Saul 168. But whether it be so or no or whether this Gentleman relates those Instructions truly or not it matters not being the contest is not indeed material and that he disputes against me whose constant belief is even as part of Catholick Doctrine clearly delivered in the Scriptures and in the Fathers and would this Gentleman's and his Party's perswasion were so too that no Zeal in Religion can apologize for any kind of Rebellion much less for unparallel'd Murthers or often breaches against Nature or against stipulation committed therein or indeed for any murther at all or any one even single breach of a just promise 169. Yet I must dissent from this Gentleman in two things he says here And must affirm again because he provokes me again That even those very horrid