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A79496 Separatists answer to the Anabaptists arguments concerning baptism. Or, The answer of Samuel Chidley to John Spilsbury, concerning the point in difference. Chidley, Samuel. 1651 (1651) Wing C3842; Thomason E643_22; ESTC R206014 8,765 26

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