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A19461 A modest and reasonable examination, of some things in vse in the Church of England, sundrie times heretofore misliked and now lately, in a booke called the (Plea of the innocent:) and an assertion for true and Christian church policy, made for a full satisfaction to all those, that are of iudgement, and not possessed with a preiudice against this present church gouernment, wherein the principall poynts are fully, and peaceably aunswered, which seeme to bee offensiue in the ecclesiasticall state of this kingdome. The contentes whereof are set downe in the page following. Covell, William, d. 1614? 1604 (1604) STC 5882; ESTC S108881 174,201 234

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shall be abrogated by that authoritie that did first make them To this we referre the time and manner of publike prayer administring the Sacraments ecclesiasticall censures apparell for diuine seruice ornaments of Churches and such like all which as the Church frō Christ hath lawfull authoritie to ordaine so it is peeuish disobedience in those men who had rather without warrant impose vpon the Church lawes of their own making then by commaundement obey the lawful ordinations that others make Now because in no societie al men will be obedient at all times and that it is little auaileable to make lawes and no way to see to the execution of them as the Church hath left vnto her admonitions to warne thē correctiōs to restraine so last of al she hath power to suspend frō partaking of the best things that the church hath because they haue refused to obey the voyce of the Church in those lesser ordinations that she made the seueritie of the Church tending to this end the amendment of such whō she doth correct and the terrifying of others from the like offence wherein if our Church administer this discipline with two much lenitie a fault surely if at all in inferior officers we had rather aduenture the manifest inconuenience of that euill then hazard by a new course the certaine molestation of a farre greater Now because all men will seeme to haue reason for that they doe and no reasons are equall to those which the scripture yeeld some wise men amongst them haue vndertakē to make proofes from hence absolutely in their opinions sufficient to establish this new discipline The consideration of which weaknes as also the great iniurie vnto Gods word must needes make that their discipline doth want proofes which themselues are rather desirous thē able to alledge for it It must needs seeme strange that because Moses and Aaron when they came into Egypt did at Gods commandement cal together the elders of the children of Israel that the very mention of their names shuld be alledged as a warrant for the elders of the church in this new discipline But one of Gene●a writing vpon that place faith such were vnderstoode as by doctrine and example did rule the people whereas their elders are laymen and by no meanes are admitted to teach others Others peraduenture more truly men of that time and not much diffe●ing from that humor sa● that neither preachers nor lay elders are vnderstoode by it but only such ciuill gouernors as were Senators princes to beare rule And doubtles whatsoeuer they wrest out of the old testament to make Moses the author of it yet Caluin to whose iudgement the chiefest amongst them hath promised to stand in this case saith that the pretended eldership till after the time of the captiuitie was neuer thought of and the reason as M. Cal●i● saith why they thought of it then was because it was not lawfull for them to haue a King as if the gouernment by a King which in former times they had might haue bin graunted to thē this institution of their Sanedrim of elders had been of no vse So that all those scriptures out of the old testament by them alledged to this end as they haue alledged many are to small purpose or if they were that gouernment were needles in a realme where there were a King And that Sanedrim or councell of the Iewes erected after their returne from Babilon being seuentie elders were of the stocke of Dauid and of their former Kings but to bring these into the Church by the mistaken example of those times cannot but be daungerous and the foundation being so weake this building of theirs cannot long continew Doubtles it is not safe in wresting of scriptures to follow the streme of their owne fancies seeing he that held that all who would be saued must goe to Ierusalem forced all places out of the scripture that gaue any testimonie to commend Ierusalem either litterall or otherwise as apparant demonstration to maintaine his error As these men haue delt in the old testament so in the new what M. Caluin doth expound of pastors and preachers only some others do wrest for the establishing of these lay elders in their Church discipline I am sorie that men of learning that would seeme vertuous holy should be charged so truely with so manifold wresting of the scriptures as in this whole matter of discipline they are by sundrie that doe write against them Let men loue and aduance their owne fancies as they thinke safe but let the scripture not be vrged to giue strength vnto them For doubtles heresies and erroneous opinions do no otherwise spring vp then when the good scriptures are not well vnderstoode and because that which is not well vnderstoode is notwithstanding boldly affirmed to be the meaning of them For few things hitherto haue been so fondly deuised but the authors did pretend they had scripture for it or else saith S. Hierom the garrulity of such persons would hardly haue got credit for when through vanitie pride men haue ingaged themselues by the broaching of new opinions they wil rather labour to bring the scripture to yeeld vnto their fancies then suffer their fancies to be ouerruled by them a fault as it is great in it selfe so it carieth a manifold disaduantage with it that the aduersaries of the truth want not a couller to refuse the interpretations of such at another time whom men of the same profession for saith and the sacraments haue worthely charged to haue wronged the scriptures It had been doubtles a greater honour to them much better dealing with the word of God and a course of more reason in the opinion of wisemen that this discipline had been commended to vs as a politike gouernment which they found safe as the best deuise which necessitie in Geneua betwixt the putting out of their Romish Bishop the keeping out of the Duke of Sauoy did inforce vpon them as a platforme sutable enough for such a citie at such a time But to offer it to the greatest kingdomes that imbrace the truth who happily florish vnder the prosperous gouernment of vertuous princes where all things are established in the Church with a most auncient Apostolike holy order and al this vnder the name of Gods word It is to poyson the world with much euill and to couer the pollicie of their first teachers with the vnhallowed contentions of all after times And yet for all that we can neither mislike the gouernment of our Church which alreadie we haue by Bishops nor accept theirs by Elders vntill they haue answered all such as soundly and with iudgement doe write against them Add surely I may make the same protestation which a wise man doth in this case that if I were to leaue this life and should speake what I thought of the present forme of Ecclesiasticall gouernment at this time in