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A00294 A booke intituled, The English Protestants recantation, in mattersof religion wherein is demonstratiuely proued, by the writings of the principall, and best learned English Protestant bishops, and doctors, and rules of their religion, published allowed, or subscribed vnto, bythem, since the comminge of our King Iames into England, that not onely all generall grownds of diuinitie, are against the[m], but in euery particular cheife question, betweene Catholicks & them, they are in errour, by their owne iudgments : diuided accordingly, into two parts, whereof the first entreateth of those generall grounds, the other of such particular controuersies, whereby will also manifestely appeare the vanitie of D. Morton Protest. Bishop of Chester his boke called Appeale, or, Ansuueare to the Catholicke authour of thebooke entituled, The Protestants apologie. Broughton, Richard. 1617 (1617) STC 10414; ESTC S2109 209,404 418

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themselues to the Church of Rome and doctrine thereof as hee hath before aduised CHAPTER XIIII CONCERNINGE REVERENCE of holy Relicks WHEN I entreated before of the religeous vse of holy Imadges I would also haue spoken of this question the reuerence of holy Relicks being so neare and symbolizing doctrines had not the Relator of Religion before referred mee to an other course Therefore I will now speake thereof in which case the Catholick doctrine expressed in the Councell of Trent is this Cōcil Trid. Sesi 9. Veneranda esse àfidelibus c. The bodies of Martyrs c. Are to be reuerenced of the faithfull According to which thus I argue in this Article by these Protestants That which was the doctrine of the primatiue Church in this question is true and what it cōdēned for Heresie is false But the primatiue Church taught reuerence of Relicks as the present Romane Church now dothe and condemned the contrary of Protestants for Heresie Therefore the Catholicke doctrine is true in this controuersie and the contrary of Protestants false and Hereticall The Maior proposition is euidently true by often graunte before And the Minor is thus proued First D. Willet citeth and approueth S. Ambrose thus speaking Willet Antill pag. 201. Sutcliff Subu pag. 27. Pag. 50. of Valentinian deceased I will honor his Relicks and commend his gratious memorie D. Sutcliffe wittnesseth that S. Gregorie and S. Augustine that conuerted this nation esteemed much the relicks of Saincts And in their time Churches were built in the honor of Saints and their relicks worshipped And D. Willet with others Willet Antil pag. 13. acknowledge as they needs must that Vigilantius was condemned of heresie for denyall thereof in the primatiue Church and by the authoritie thereof Secondly I argue thus againe That which was the custome and doctrine of the primatiue Church may or is still to bee kept and defended But to pray at the monuments of Saincts and reuerence their Relicks was the custome and doctrine then Therefore still to bee kept and defended The Maior is euident and the Minor thus proued First M. Wotton Wotten def of Perk. pag. 9 hath these words It was the maner of the primatiue Church to pray at the Tombes of Martirs and the Christians assembled ordinarily where the Martirs were buried And to shew what they did there which hee would willingly haue concealed for hee loueth not prayers to Saints nor reuerence of their Relicks for which causes the primatiue Christians so there assembled hee citeth S. Hierome writing Wotten sup pag. 544. in this maner of holy Paula shee went into the Sepulchre and kissed the stone of his Resurrection which the Angell had remoued from the dore of the Tombe the place of his bodie where the Lord had lien as if shee had thristed for the desired waters shee li●k●d with her faithfull tonge D. Downame writeth the like of the holy pilgrimadge of that blessed woman And to giue moste conuincing instance and proofe in this matter M. Perkins in his Problema writeth thus Primitiua Perkins problem pag. 81. Ecclesia honorauit veneratione prosecuta est reliquias mortuorum The primatiue Church did honour and prosecute with reuerence the Relicks of the deade Thirdly thus I argue That vsadge and behauiour which was lawfull to the Iewes and practized of them towards their Reliks is now in the time of grace giuen by Christ as lawfull for Christians towards their holy Relicks and things But the true faithfull Iewes lawfully vsed reuerence and honour to their Relicks Therefore it is lawfull to Christians to doe the like The Maior is euident this beeing no ceremoniall or legall thinge abrogated by Christ but rather confirmed by making the things of his lawe and Ghospell more reuerentiall then the figuratiue was The Minor is thus proued by M. Wotton in these words You bringe diuers Wotton def of Perk. pag. 581. proofes that the Arke was had in greate reuerence all needlesse for whoe denies it and againe The Iewes saith Hierome in foretimes worshipped the holy of holies because there were the Cherubins and the propitiatorie and the arke of the testament Manna Aarons rodd and the golden altare and further in this maner Hee speakes not of worshippinge the Pag. 581. 582. Arke but the holy of holyes because of the things that were in it Hee makes the Propitiatorie Manna Aarons Rod and the golden Altare causes of that worship as well as the Cherubins In the words followinge hee counts the Sepulchre of our Lord more worthie of wor●hip Then seeing those Relicks vnder the lawe and before Christ the meritorious cause of all grace and such excellencie were so worthie of worshipp and reuerence that they were not onely reuerenced in themselues but other things were worshipped and reuerenced because of them and yett by this Iudgment the Relicks in Christianitie as the Sepulchre no part of Christ but the place of his sacred bodies some few howers lyeing there are more worthie of worship as this Protestant writer confesseth wee may not deny this Reuerence and the Catholick doctrine thereof to bee holy euen by English Protestants sentence Lastely thus I argue from the generall practice of English Protestants if it is lawfull to giue ciuill reuerence to the bodie of a noble man or woman deceased because they were noble and honored when they liued much more reason there is to giue religeous and spirituall Reuerence to the bodie of a Saint holy and honored by God and man when hee lyued and now in Ioyes in heauen truely and for euer honorable But the Antecedent is true by English Protetestants whoe by their Heralds of armes allowe and practice that all Inferiours shall giue and yeeld the same honour to the bodie of the honorable parson deceased that was due vnto him lyuing his soule and bodie beeing vnited and this though in all morall Iudgment the soule of such an one is damned And this is the custome and ceremonie not onely with Heralds but vsed in Court ratified by their Bishops Doctors and Vniuersities as many and late examples teache which I will vrge no further but desire all may liue and die well that they may leaue behinde them sufficient or some motiue eyther to bee honored or helped by the prayers and deuotions of the lyuinge The consequence is euidently true and thus demonstrated for as excellencie is the cause of honor and ciuill excellency of ciuill and terrene honor so spirituall or religeous excellency of spirituall and such honor And much more for the ciuill honor and motiue thereof is onely ens rationis an inuention worthines and attribute of men and nothing at all Inherent in the bodie or soule of the partie so honored when the other excellency and cause of honor is both permanent and an Inherent dignitie as is proued before of inherent Iustice and for euer remayneth in the soule glorified in the presence of God his Saints and Angells in heauen and
impressed in the soule that is a certaine spirituall and indeleble signe that they may not bee iterated For proofe of which doctrine by English Protestants I argue in this Maner That doctrine which is taught by the Greeke Church neither hereticall nor Scismatical but orthodoxe by these Protestants ot by a generall Councell whose decree and sentence bindeth all is to bee allowed by them much more if both those their Rules so confirme it But the doctrine of this Indeleble character in the Sacraments of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders is taught and approued both by the Greeke Church and a generall Councell that of Florence for such allowed by them before Therefore it ought to bee embraced by them The Maior is euidently true by their graunt before And the Minor thus proued First the Greeke Church by Hieremias their Patriarke in their Censure Hierem. in censur cap. 11. vppon Protestants in the eleuenth chapter hath so censured And the generall Councel of Florence with the assert of the same Greeke Church Armenians Iacobines and all Christendome hath defined it in these words Inter haec Sacramenta tria sunt Baptismus Cōcil Flor. in vnion Arm. Confirmatio Ordo quae Characterem i. spirituale quoddam signum à caeteris distinctum imprimunt in anima indelebile c. Among these Sacraments there are three Baptisme Confirmation and Order which impresse in the soule a Character that is a certaine spirituall signe distinct from others indeleble wherevppon they are not Iterated in the same parson but the other fowre do not Impresse a Character and admitt Iteration To bee breife I argue thus once for all That doctrine which is generally maintained not onely by all professors of it but also acknowledged and defended by them that bee esteemed learned among the enemies thereof and professe the same Religion with them is true But this doctrine of a Character is such Therefore it is true The Maior is euidently apparēt for no more then frends and Aduersaries learned can consent to any truth The Minor is thus proued by these Protestant Doctors following Ioyning in Religion with them that impugne and persecute the Church of Rome First D. Feild Feild l. 1. cap. 15. acknowledgeth a Character in Baptisme and to remayne euen in the excommunicate And so indeleble D. Couell affirmeth the same of Baptisme and Orders and seemeth to insinuate it of Confirmation Hee writeth of it in these words It is not amisse both termed a kind of Marke Couell def of Hook pa. 87. 88. 91. or character And confesseth it to bee Indeleble And for Orders hee addeth thus For ministeriall power is a worke of seperation because it seuereth them that haue it from other men maketh them a speciall order consecrated vnto the seruice of the moste highe in things wherewith others may not meddle I call it indeleble because they which haue once receiued this power may not thinke to putt it of and on like a cloake as the wether serueth And againe in this maner Where there is a chaunge of estate with an Sup. pag. 91 Impossibilitie to returne there wee haue reason to account an Indeleble Character to bee imprinted This saith the Church of Rome is in Baptisme Confirmation and Order This forme figure or Character is called Indeleble because that is not to bee reiterated as Protestants confesse of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders from whence it cometh The Character of Order is an actiue power as the schoolemen speake which giueth an Abilitie publickly to administer the Sacraments vnto those whome the Church hath esteemed fitt The Character of Baptisme is a passiue power which maketh men fitt to receaue the rest And from hence not onely is proued in as playne words as any schooleman or other Catholicke can speake the Catholicke opinion of a Character but also that Orders and others besides them allowed for Sacraments are to bee so esteemed as his last wordes the rest insinuate And this sufficeth of this Question CHAPTER XXI PROVING BY THESE PROTEstants that the Sacraments of the Ghospell giue grace and as the schooles speake ex opere operato by the vvorke vvrought CONCERNING the validitie and grace of Sacraments The Councell of Trent defineth thus If any Cōcil Trid. Sess 7. man shall say that the Sacraments of the new lawe do not giue grace by the worke wrought opere operato but that onely faith of the promise of God sufficeth to obtaine grace lett him bee Anathema And to demonstrate that the present Protestants of England are or by their owne writings ought to bee of the same opinion thus I argue Whatsoeuer Catholicke doctrine of the Romane Church is confirmed both by the publicke proceedings and priuate writings of the Protestants of England ought to bee allowed and embraced by them But the doctrine of the Romane Church concerning the efficacie of Sacraments that they cause grace in the worthie and duely disposed Receauers of them and that ex opere operato as the Councell before and our schooles speake is such Therefore it ought to bee allowed and embraced by them for true The Maior is euidently true and cannot bee denied for no man may or can hold against his owne opinion or that publicke Rule and Authoritie to which hee hath subscribed and submitted himself in Religion The second proposition is thus proued and first by that cheefe Rule their booke of Articles Booke of Articl of Relig. art 25. to which they haue all subscribed where it is thus defined in their Religion Sacraments ordeyned of Christ are effectuall signes of grace and Gods good will towards vs by the which hee doth worke inuisibly in vs. And againe in their newly reformed communion booke in these words By this words Sacrament I meane an Comm. Booke refor titul Catechis outward and visible signe of an inward and spirituall grace giuen vnto vs ordeyned by Christ himself as a meanes whereby wee receaue the same Therefore beeing graunted by the greatest Rules of Religion which English Protestants haue that Sacraments bee effectuall of grace and Gods fauour giuing grace and meanes whereby wee receaue grace And all English Protestants Ministers haue subscribed to these doctrines in those bookes They must needs graunt that Sacraments bee causes of grace for among causes the efficient and effectuall is not onely a cause but of extrinsecall causes by many degrees the cheifest And beeing allowed for such Instruments and meanes by which God worketh inuisibly in vs and giueth grace and wee so receaue grace as their words bee They must needs bee true instrumental causes of grace and such worke in vs. And their same practicall Rule of their Religion the Communion booke hath the same doctrine concerning Baptisme and consequently of all others proued by them to bee Sacraments one and the same reason beeing of all for in the Treatise of Baptisme thus it prescribeth the Minister to speake vnto God By the Baptisme of Comm. Booke Titul publick
there by them esteemed truly worthie of honor And how honorable such holy Relicks haue euer beene especially in this nation from the first conuersion thereof to Christ these Protestants themselues in their Theate● though so much as they can suppressing all honor and memory of such things will sufficiently testifie Concerninge the often and frequent pilgrimadges to Rome to visitt and reuerence the holy monuments and relicks there they haue told vs before in these words Not onely Preists and lay men vowed and Theat pag. 305. performed pilgrimadges to Rome but Kings Queenes and Bishops also did the like And in particular in these words Kinge Kenred abandoned both crowne Pag. 307. and contry and went to Rome where of Pope Constantine hee receaued the tonsure and habit of a monke at the Apostles tombes Kings Cadwallader and Pag. 164. Chodwald if not both one abandoned their kingedoms about the yeare 682. touke habitt of Religion in Rome so Kinge Iuor a Brittaine and Kinge Iue a Saxon. Ceadwalla King of the west Saxons goeth on Pag. 298. pilgrimadge to Rome Kinge Inas after hee had raigned Pag. 298. in greate prosperitie 37. yeares and odd moneths professing voluntary pouertie went to Rome where in the habitt of a Religeous man hee ended his life in pore estate Kinge Osroy vowed a pilgrimadge to Rome Pag. 338. 345. Pag. 391. Kinge Offa in greate deuotion went to Rome I haue spoken before how Kinge Canatus went on pilgrimadge to Rome to visitt the sepulchres of S. Peter and S. Paule And so of others And Pag. 285. for Hierusalem so farr and daungerously distant thus they write Yt was an auntient custome to goe to Hierusalem on pilgrimadge with a redd crosse worne on their backe whence the name crosse-backe or in old English crouche-backe was to them attributed Whence Edmund Earle of Lancaster second sonne to Henry 3. gott that name So the crouched or Pag. 92. crossed friers And of Princes in particular thus they write Lagman Kinge of man gaue ouer his kingdome tooke the crosse wento to Hierusalem They tell vs also of Q. Helena a most vertuous religeous Pag. 205. c. 258. brittish Lady Mother to Emperor Constantine the greate her pilgrimadge to Hierusalem And agayne Offa heire to the crowne of Eastangles vppon Pag. 311. a Religeous deuotion tooke his pilgrimadge to the sepulchre of Christ And agayne Swayne eldest sonne Pag. 400. of Earle Goodwyn so potent against K. Edward the Confessor vppon a remorse of Conscience vndertooke a pilgrimadge to Hierusalem and in his returne dyed in Lycia Of Robert Father to Kinge William the Pag. 413. first they write in this maner Seeing at the city phalesia in Normandy a moste bewtifull damsell called Arlett tooke her to his bedd he begatt on her William his onely sonne and after vppon a remorse of Conscience vndertooke a pilgrimadge vnto Hierusalem from whence hee neuer againe returned Duke Robert intending his pious pilgrimadge vnto the holy Land assembled all his nobilitie caused them to sweare fealtie vnto his sonne William beeing then but seuen yeares old Entering Iury not able to trauayle was borne in a litter vppon the Saracens sholders and neare vnto the cytie meetinge a returning pilgryme desired him to report in his contrie what hee there sawe which is said hee I am caried to heauen vppon the deuills backe And to leaue forreine contries with their holy places and relicks thus reuerenced this our owne nation as it visited other contries in this respect so in the same also it was visited and frequented of them Thus they write Charles Kinge of Fraunce congratulated Pag. 345. Kinge Offa with letters of Gladnes both for his victories and Christian piecie in his land embraced desiring of Offa safe conduct for such his subiects as come to his contry in deuotion to God In which amonge other places Glastenbury was renowned for ●hat Rectory to vse their words was in the Pag. 207. charters of Edgar Edmund Elfred Edward Bringwalthius Kentwin Baldred Ina Kenwall the Conqueror Rufus and others continually termed THE GRAVE OF SAINCTS THE MOTHER CHVRCH THE DISCIPLES FOVNDATION Of the hand of Kinge Oswald thus they write After his death Pag. 337. it neuer consumed but was shrined in siluer in S. Peters Church at Bedda now Bambrough with worthy honor was worshipped for the miracles and cuers that Pag 364. it did as likewise the earth wherein his blood was spilt They tell vs also of the pilgrimadge and reuerence to the Relicks of S. Ihon of Beuerly Pag. 391. both by Kings and subiects Kinge Canutus before offered vp his crowne vppon the Martyrs Saint Edmunds tombe And honored the body of S. Elphegus at the translation 392. Pag. 83. of it from London to Canterbury The Relicks of S. Cuthbert at Durham were visited in pilgrimadge and reuerenced by our Kings and others They tell vs how the bodies of Pag. 294. the two yonge Princes Nephewes to K. Egbert were miraculously reuealed their names Ethelred and Etherbert and greately reuerenced Of K. Kenelme thus they write Pag 307. 308. Murthered obscurely buried but miraculously knowne and afterwards with greate honor and ceremony translated to the Monastery of Winchcombe which his father founded And so of that glorious and noble Saint Neote supposed to bee the sonne of Pag. 351. 352. Kinge Ethelwolfe brought vp at Glastenbury Hee planted a Monastery in Cornewall whereunto hee vsed for deuotion and studious meditation beeing one of the first diuinitie Readers in Oxford often to withdrawe himself which of his aboade there was afterwards called NEOTESTOKE and when hee was deade his body was with greate honor interred in the countrie of Huntington at a place then called ANVLFESBVRIE and afterward in regard of his Interment Saint Neotes and now Saint Needs And in the same shire of Huntington at S. Iues Pag. 57. they tell vs that S. Iue a Persian an Heremite beeing buryed his body was vncorrupted in Robes Episcopall Had in greate honor and the towne tooke denomination of him And so of others to many to bee recited CHAPTER XV. Of the reall presence of Christ and transsubstantiation in the blessed Sacrament of the Altare BECAVSE I would bee loath to omitt any one question especially of moment wherein these Protestants take exceptiō against the doctrine of the Church of Rome I will next make recitall what their two greate writers D. Sutcliff and D. Willet most dislike therein and Answere it vnto them and all others in whatsoeuer not before allowed and iustified by their owne writers D. Sutcliff making mention of those Articles Sutcliff Subu pag. 44. which hee supposeth wee cannot iustifie onely reciteth these that followe Reall presence Transsubstantiation the sacrifice of Christs bodie for the quicke and deade halfe communion Popes supreamacie Indulgences worshipping of Imadges and Purgatorie D. Willet as before assigneth these that Willet Antil pag. 264.