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A04863 The theorike and practike of moderne vvarres discoursed in dialogue vvise. VVherein is declared the neglect of martiall discipline: the inconuenience thereof: the imperfections of manie training captaines: a redresse by due regard had: the fittest weapons for our moderne vvarre: the vse of the same: the parts of a perfect souldier in generall and in particular: the officers in degrees, with their seuerall duties: the imbattailing of men in formes now most in vse: with figures and tables to the same: with sundrie other martiall points. VVritten by Robert Barret. Comprehended in sixe bookes. Barret, Robert, fl. 1600. 1598 (1598) STC 1500; ESTC S106853 258,264 244

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Colonels and Captaines for powder and other munition receiued that the same may be deducted at the day of pay Gent. What officers do assist or belong vnto him Capt. There be sundry other officers which are as it were appendent vnto him as the Purueyor Generall the Maister of the victuall and the Pay-maister with their Clarkes and Officers of whom I leaue to discourse for that their offices are well knowen and more desired for that in our dayes they are very bad cookes that know not how to lick their owne fingers and once an officer and by consequence a rich man To conclude not onely vnto this officer but vnto all others almost is Arithmetike a great ease and helpe not onely to digest their accounts in good order but also a ready performance of the same The Office and parts of the Lord High Generall of the Armie THE FIRST DIALOGVE VVherein is set foorth the partes to be expected in so high a Commander the foure principall qualities which the Romanes considered in the Commanders of their armies how needefull it is to haue graue and experimented officers in the Campe. Captaine THe Generall the Prince with the aduise of his prudent Councell doth elect chuse and appoint and being an office of highest degree and greatest charge in the field it ought to be encommended vnto a personage indued with partes befitting the function Therefore as he is the Officer highest in degree so ought he not only to know perfectly the partes of euery other officer but also to excell them all in religion wisedome experience policie grauitie secrecie counsell modestie temperance valour magnanimitie vigilancie care constancie liberalitie and resolution with all other good partes incident to a perfect man of warre and how much all these good partes and many more ought to be in the personage elected to this high and carefull dignitie by our former discourses you may easily conceiue and gather to the ende that he being their Chieftaine and head may not onely know how to gouerne them both in generall and in particular in all Martiall actions but also in his vertuous life and cariage be a patterne light lanterne vnto the whole Armie to imitate for in our old prouerbe we say such hunt such hound such maister such man and so by consequence such Chiefe such followers For most commonly a wise valiant and vertuous Generall will chuse wise valiant vertuous Captaines and officers good vertuous Captaines will as neare as they can chuse honest sober and vertuous souldiers or at the least reforme their faults and do their best to bring them to the due forme of Militarie discipline And as it is very hard for euery Commaunder to haue all the good partes incident to his function yet such as are indued with many or the most of these partes are best to be esteemed and so consequently the rest For the accidents of warre are so diuerse and manifold that it altereth many times the humours of men except being endued with constancie and magnanimitie which singular vertues few men possesse but greatly to bee wished in all high Commaunders Now to discourse and reason in particular vpon the partes due to a Generall our discourses would bee ouer long wherefore I will name the foure principall which the ancient Greekes and Romanes did consider in such personages as they elected to bee conductors of their Armies which were 1 to be very expert and skilfull in the Art of warre 2 to be valiant and magnanimous 3 to bee of great grauitie and authoritie and 4 to be fortunate in their successes the which parts me thinkes a Prince ought to regard consider in the election of his Generall Gent. These partes and qualities do seeme to be very good indeede but yet I pray declare more particularly thereof that we may the better vnderstand the same Capt. I say Gentlemen that those Republikes would haue their Captaines Generall to haue great experience in Martiall actions whereby they might prudently commaund and gouerne therein and therefore did they alwayes elect and chuse personages of great experience and practise and of ripe yeares and iudgement vnto this office yea with such consideration care that of the Romanes after that the two Scipios were slaine and their Armies ouerthrowen by Asdruball the Carthagenian in Spayne none of their best experimented durst take vpon him the former charge but onely young Scipio called afterward Africanus being sonne to one of the slaine Consuls although contradicted by sundry Senators and chiefly by Quintus Fabius Maximus alledging his young yeares who onely offered himselfe and resolutely tooke vpon him the determination to go to that Prouince and accepted the defence of the same shewing himselfe therein the most valiant and noblest Gentleman then left in the Romaine Republike and one that had bene nuzled vp in warre euen from a child but not aboue 28. yeares of age which caused the Senators as I sayd to misdoubt that by reason of his young yeares he should want the due skill experience and prudence conuenient for the gouernement of the Romaine Armie Gent. But yet there haue bene many Princes in the world who being of young age began to gouerne and conduct their Armies as Alexander being but a very youth conquered all Asia and put all the whole world in a maze Capt. It is true that many times for precise and forcible causes it is necessary that Kings and Princes should bee present with their owne Armies in person although their age experience be not great But when this commeth to passe they commonly carrie with them most ancient graue and experimented Captaines as did Alexander of the best and of most authoritie which Philip his father had for his Conductours and Counsellours of warre and many other of all nations haue done the like as in our time did king Philip of Spayne whē he made Don Iohn de Austria his Captaine Generall hee chose and appointed for his assister Counsellour and Lieutenant Don Luis de Zuniga the grand Commendador of Castille and many of our English kings haue done the like as did the famous conquerour Edward the third who sent with his eldest sonne the braue Prince of Wales for Coadiutors Counsellours and Captaines the valiant Earles of Warwick Suffolk Salisbury and Oxenford at their honorable iourney into France where at the battell of Poytiers they ouerthrew the whole power of France and tooke their king Iohn with his sonne Philip and a great number of the French nobilitie prisoners Gent. Then how fortuned it that Don Sebastian king of Portugall carried not such experienced personages about him at his disastred iourney made into Barbary being himselfe so young and without experience of warre Capt. You must note therein the proud and insufferable nature of mans mind especially of them two Prouinces Spayne and Portugall which will not willingly endure any stranger to carrie any
haue your companie some few dayes familiarlie to discourse with you vpon such matter as time cause and occasion shall minister for since the rumour of this troublesome world towards I meane besides the brables of Ireland the great preparations of the ambitious Spaniard pretended as is thought against vs both my selfe other country Gentlemen vnexperimented in such martiall causes haue not a litle mused thereupon and so much the more by reason of the straite charges and commands directed from her Maiestie and her honourable priuie Counsell vnto vs of euerie Shire to make good prouision of furniture and our people to be well trained the which seemeth not done without some great occasions knowne or matters greatly suspected What thinke you of it Captaine Sir I will drawe my leisure and poore skill to the vttermost to satisfie in what I can your curteous request And first concerning mine opinion touching the ambitious and proud minded Spaniard I say that besides her Maiestie and her honourable Counsell it is not vnknowne vnto a number of honest gentlemen and souldiers of our nation that the Spaniard hath aboue these thirtie yeares as well by his owne naturall imperious inclination as by the Satanicall suggestion of the Romain Pope and Clergie and continuall instigation of our English and Irish Papists both desired pretended and practised the vtter ruine subuersion and conquest of our religion state and realme the experiment whereof in Anno 1588. last with his Inuincible Nauie so by him tearmed attempting our seas and coasts we haue yet fresh in memorie whereof wee may well say Deus pro nobis pugnabat Gent. But doe you thinke that he will yet attempt the like considering his foyles and losses then receiued Captaine Why sir doe you thinke that so mightie a Prince so proud and ambitious a Nation possessing so many mightie kingdomes such inestimable Indies such plentie of wealth such readie subiects such skilfull warriours such braue Conductors such store of shipping and hauing such an egger on as is the pestiferous Pope will not yet attempt what he can were it but to recouer his honour and reputation lost in the last action Gent. Truely Captaine a number of vs countrie Gentlemen can hardly be so perswaded and especially our common countrie people Captaine Indeede I doe not greatly maruell thereat considering our long continued peace vnder our gracious Soueraignes raigne whom God long maintaine ouer vs wherein we haue not knowne what the name of warre hath meant much lesse the effects therof For long peace hath bred Securitie securitie carelesse mindes carelesse mindes contempt of warre contempt of warre the dispising of souldiarie and Martiall discipline the dispising of Martiall discipline vnwilling mindes I feare me so that it can hardly be beaten into our braines I meane a number of vs that we which so long haue found the fruites of peace should euer feele the effects of warre To proue that long peace and neglect of Martiall discipline hath metamorphosed manly mindes nay whole States and kingdomes let vs consider the Macedonians prowesse the Grecians policie the Romaines valour the Carthaginians stratagems so long as they maintained Martiall discipline ruled each the Monarchie in their times but discipline neglected disorders grew on new Martialists sprung vp and ouerturned their wealth state and kingdomes with a finall ruine of their names and Nations I speake not this but for example to put vs the more in mind to shake off securitie to mistrust the worst to make vs more readie and willing to be trayned in Martiall poyntes not grudging at the charge but frankely to offer it to fit vs with furniture and desirous to be instructed in the knowledge and managing of each armes in their kind whereby if so proud an enemie should attempt anie thing against vs we might be readie with resolute mindes to beard him to the vttermost I could say much more but this may suffice to a willing minde to conceiue Gent. You haue touched many pointes vnder a few termes but Captaine all this and much more will hardly perswade our rurall sort and I thinke many of vs Gentlemen not farre better minded for in executing her Maiesties cōmands for trayning our men prouiding of armour I heare many say what neede so much a do and great charge in Calliuer Musket Pyke and Corselet our auncestors won many battels with bowes blacke Billes and Iackes But what thinke you of that Captaine Sir then was then and now is now the wars are much altered since the fierie weapons first came vp the Cannon the Musket the Caliuer and Pistoll Although some haue attempted stifly to maintaine the sufficiencie of Bowes yet daily experience doth and will shew vs the contrarie And for that their reasons haue bene answered by others I leaue at this instant to speake thereof Gent. Why do you not like of our old archerie of England Capt. I do not altogether disalow them true it is they may serue to some sorts of seruice but to no such effect as any of the fierie weapons Gent. Will not a thousand bowes handled by good bowmen do as good seruice as a thousand hargubuze or muskets especially amongst horsemen Capt. No were there such bowmen as were in the old time yet could there be no comparison Gent. Your reasons Capt. First you must confesse that one of your best Archers can hardly shoot any good sheffe arrow aboue twelue score off to performe any great executiō except vpon a naked mā or horse A good Calliuer charged with good powder and bullet and discharged at point blanck by any reasonable shot will at that distance performe afar better execution yea to passe any armour except it be of prooffe much more neare the marke thē your Archer shal And the said Calliuer at randon will reach performe twentie or foure and twentie score off whereunto you haue few archers will come neare And if you reply that a good archer will shoot many shots to one Truly no your archer shall hardly get one in fiue of a ready shot nay happely scarce one besides considering the execution of the one and the other there is great oddes and no comparison at all Gent. But our bowmen may shoot by vollies as thicke as hayle in the ayre Capt. They may shoot thicke but to small performance except as I said vpon naked men or horse But should there be led but eight hundred perfect hargubuziers or sixe hundred good musketiers against your thousand bowmen I thinke your bowmen would be forced to forsake their ground all premisses considered and moreouer a vollie of musket or hargubuze goeth with more terrour fury and execution then doth your vollie of arrowes And againe against a resolute troupe of horse either Pistoletiers Hargulatiers or Lanciers they will stād lesse time except they be well frōted with hedge ditch or trēch or seconded with a strong stād of pikes then either Hargubuze