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A05535 A true narration of all the passages of the proceedings in the generall Assembly of the Church of Scotland, holden at Perth the 25. of August, anno Dom. 1618 VVherein is set downe the copy of his Maiesties letters to the said Assembly: together with a iust defence of the Articles therein concluded, against a seditious pamphlet. By Dr. Lyndesay, Bishop of Brechen. Lindsay, David, d. 1641?; Calderwood, David, 1575-1650. Perth assembly. 1621 (1621) STC 15657; ESTC S108553 266,002 446

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●●erefore_o after_o the_o eat_n of_o the_o paschall_n supper_n that_o the_o apostle_n sit_v still_o without_o alter_v their_o gesture_n until_o they_o ●ad_v receive_v ●he_n sacrament_n be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v and_o ●olden_a for_o a_o undoubted_a truth_n in_o god_n worship_n but_o ●ee_o subio●ne_n 〈…〉_z ●u●dem_fw-la pag._n p●_n this_o be_v so_o evident_a that_o never_o man_n doubt_v of_o it_o 〈…〉_z ●eare_z even_o ●hose_v who_o affirm_v but_o against_o the_o 〈◊〉_d that_o they_o ●●ood_v at_o the_o 〈◊〉_d service_n confess_v that_o 〈◊〉_d sit_v at_o the_o second_v and_o at_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n 〈◊〉_d master_n ●ohn_n mare_n and_o the_o bishop_n o●_n 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n ans_fw-fr ●hat_n this_o be_v not_o ●o_o evident_a as_o you_o allege_v be_v manifest_a 〈◊〉_d that_o which_o have_v be_v say_v but_o the_o cause_n that_o have_v 〈◊〉_d doubt_n since_o the_o last_o year_n be_v the_o paradox_n which_o ●ee_n and_o your_o follower_n have_v undertake_v to_o defend_v since_o ●he_n ●ast_v ●eare_z of_o which_o ●ever_o divine_a either_o in_o the_o ancient_a o●_n reform_v church_n ●reamed_v of_o before_o namely_o ●hat_n we_o shall_v believe_v without_o doubt_v first_o that_o the_o apostle_n receive_v the_o sacrament_n sit_v second_o that_o ●his_n gesture_n of_o they_o be_v exemplary_a three_o that_o it_o be_v institute_v by_o our_o saviour_n to_o be_v observe_v in_o all_o succeed_a 〈◊〉_d ●ince_n ●ee_o ●fter_o ●his_v manner_n urge_v sit_v with_o a_o opinion_n o●_n necessity_n ●nd_v impose_v it_o upon_o the_o conscience_n of_o the_o weak_a with_o such_o terror_n and_o fear_n that_o it_o cannot_v be_v omit_v without_o a_o manifest_a breach_n of_o the_o institution_n we_o can_v do_v no_o less_o then_o try_v by_o the_o scripture_n ●hether_o it_o be_v so_o or_o not_o the_o testimony_n of_o m._n john_n mare_n or_o of_o any_o mortal_a man_n can_v tie_v our_o conscience_n to_o believe_v or_o practice_v any_o thing_n in_o religion_n as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n or_o a_o necessary_a point_n of_o god_n worship_n whereof_o there_o be_v not_o a_o clear_a and_o undoubted_a warrant_n in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o for_o the_o bishop_n of_o chester_n lichfield_n he_o declare_v his_o opinion_n only_o but_o astrict_v no_o man_n to_o believe_v it_o nor_o will_v he_o have_v any_o man_n to_o build_v thereupon_o as_o you_o do_v that_o the_o apostle_n sit_v be_v exemplary_a against_o the_o which_o his_o argument_n in_o the_o treatise_n that_o you_o cite_v be_v such_o as_o may_v have_v stay_v you_o or_o any_o other_o that_o reason_n can_v satisfy_v from_o take_v a_o pen_n in_o hand_n to_o the_o contrary_n pp_n that_o sit_v be_v institute_v i_o prove_v it_o by_o two_o reason_n first_o the_o gesture_n that_o christ_n retain_v in_o pass_v from_o the_o conclusion_n of_o the_o paschall_n supper_n that_o he_o do_v institute_v sit_v he_o retain_v therefore_o he_o do_v institute_v sit_v ans_fw-fr this_o be_v a_o demonstration_n whereupon_o the_o faith_n and_o obedience_n of_o the_o worthy_a receiver_n must_v be_v ground_v touch_v the_o gesture_n they_o must_v use_v at_o communion_n yet_o the_o libeler_n perceive_v that_o the_o proposition_n of_o this_o argument_n may_v be_v deny_v and_o be_v deny_v that_o it_o must_v be_v prove_v by_o this_o general_a whatsoever_o christ_n retain_v that_o he_o do_v institute_v and_o consider_v withal_o that_o christ_n retain_v many_o thing_n as_o the_o place_n the_o quality_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o circumstance_n of_o time_n which_o he_o dare_v not_o affirm_v to_o have_v be_v institute_v he_o make_v exception_n of_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v retain_v of_o necessity_n and_o can_v not_o convenient_o be_v change_v and_o thereupon_o subjoin_v this_o say_n pp_n pag._n 36._o lin_v ult._n but_o as_o for_o the_o gesture_n of_o sit_v he_o may_v have_v change_v it_o in_o stand_v or_o kneel_v without_o work_v