Writers against our Rejection from the rule of Faith the Catholick Church and General Councils IF the Church say they and general Councils be not Grounds and Rules of Faith Why then did the Ancient Fathers draw an Argument from them to Refute the Errors of the Antient Hereticks Answer of the Reformed to that Objection 1. VVE know say the Reformed That the Ancient Godly Fathers in Confuting all Hereticks used onely Arguments drawn out of the Scriptures and plainly taught That by no other Weapons an Heretick can be put to flight 2. The same Reformed do know That the Ancient Fathers did charge the Hereticks sometimes With the Judgment of Churches With Determination of Councils With Succession of Bishops With the Name of Catholicks Not as though this were a necessary Conviction of it self but thereby the rather to induce them to believe the Doctrine to be true which they did see from the first planting thereof in the Church to have remained 3. The case of the Papists drawing Arguments of Conviction from the Doctrine of their Popish Church is nothing like seeing they have onely the bare Title of the Church without the Thing and as it were the empty Casket without the Treasure 4. The Reformed justly exclude from the Rule of Faith The Ancient Fathers 1. VVE Reformed as hath been said of General Councils do esteem and regard them in their place We thank God God for them We Read Allow and Commend them So far forth as they agree with Gods word 2. For it cannot be truely said that they never disagree from it 3. We grant that they were Learned and Godly Men but yet were they Men having their Infirmities and Imperfections 4. Their Learning Their Zeal Their Ages Were not Priviledge unto them but that notwithstanding they might be deceived in their Writings and in their Expositions of Scripture 5. And let the Popish Doctors take this for a sure Conclusion That in the Sayings of Those who are all of them subject to Error there is no stable and stedy Ground to build our Faith upon least perhaps we build upon Error in stead of Truth 6. So that without Tryal and Examination no Sentence of a Father nor of all Fathers may safely be Received § Objection of the Popish Writers against our Rejection from the Rule of Faith the Ancient Fathers SInce the Reformed Exclude the Ancient Fathers from the Rule of Faith Why say the Popish Writers do they make use of them and alledge them Answer to this Objection 1. THe Reformed do read the Ancient Fathers And oftentimes they rehearse their Sentences and their Expositions of the Scripture 2. But not as Proofs in Doctrines of themselves For they do not acknowledge them as Rule and Ground of the Faith 3. It is to stop the Papists Mouthes that cry so loud in the ears of the simple that all the Fathers are against them 4. It being most true That they are notably and generally for them § How the Reformed carry themselves in regard of the Scriptures in regard of the Ancient Fathers 1. This is their Carriage in regard of the Scriptures 1. THey receive that which the Scripture delivereth 2. They reject that which the Scripture reproveth 2. This is Their Carriage in regard of the Ancient Fathers 1. THey read the Fathers with Indifferent and Free Judgement 2. Weighing all their Doctrine in the Balance of Gods Word and thereby either allowing or refusing the same 3. This they must do or else of Fathers they make Gods of Mens Writings They make Canonical Scriptures Of Doctors Opinions they make Articles of Faith 4. And herein they do no otherwise then they are taught both by Scriptures and by Fathers to do 5. They declare to the Popish Writers That concerning these two Heads they shall never get at their hands more than this § Of Bishop Jewels Challenge to the Fathers that flourished 600 years after Christ The Popish Writers IOhn Jewel say they challenged the Catholicks calling upon and desiring the help of the Fathers as many as flourished 600 years after Christ Answer of the Reformed to that Relation 1. They Answer this THat Bishop Jewel proved all the Ancient Fathers to be against the Church of Rome in Disputing with Doctor Harding as he had affirmed at Paul's Crosse 2. They Answer this 1. THat the present Popish Writers may be ashamed to make mention of that Challenge which they have so long ago given over as a Desperate Cause 2. Wherein Doctor Harding the chiefest Adversarie could not make shew of Proof without using the Testimonies of forged and Counterfeit Writers As Amphilochius Clemens Abdias Hippolytus And such Others of which no more Account is to be made then of Fables and shamelesse Forgeries Such were the Chiefest Proofs which Dr. Harding was able to bring 2. And whatsoever he brought hath been fully Answered in the Reply by the Bishop himself Which Book as yet though it hath been in some parts nipped at by Divers yet throughly confuted was it never what the present Popish Writers can do in this Case may easily be guessed 3. They Answer This. 1. THat what which Bishop Jewel promised to give over and to subscribe If any of the 27. Articles of Controversies propounded by him could be proved by Scriptures Councils or Doctors within 660. years after Christ was not because he meant ever to subscribe to the Popish Doctrine or was unstayed in his Religion but it was of a most assured knowledge and resolute perswasion That the Popish Doctors were utterly destitute in this behalf of all Truth and Antiquity as indeed they are 2. Otherwise the Popish Doctors may remember That our Religion is grounded onely upon the Holy Scriptures of God 3. And therefore though the said Doctors brought against us Reformed Writers and Fathers never so many for these Matters as they can bring not one of Credit and Age. Yet will we never subscribe unto them having once subscribed to the certain Truth of God revealed unto us in his holy perfect and written word 4. By which all Sentences Opinions and Writings of Men whatsoever must be examined § Notwithstanding some Errors of the Ancient Fathers we Reformed esteem them as Gods Saints and holy Men and holy Fathers 1. THe Ancient Fathers holding the Ground and Foundation of Doctrine did oftentimes build thereon Stubble and Straw partly by some Superstitious Opinions which themselves conceived of such Inventions and partly by the sway and violence of Custome whereby they were carried to a liking of those Things which they saw commended and practised by others 2. And yet God forbid that because of some Errors which they held we Reformed should raze their Names out of the Calender of Gods Saints or think otherwise then Reverently of them § Objection of the Popish Writers against this Declaration of the Reformed HOw say they can we esteem them to be Holy teaching that they did Erre Answer to that Objection 1. VVE Reformed do Answer That
hate the Church of Rome 3. So that the Reformed have had a Church and their Religion before Luther A Refutation of this shift of the Jesuites That because Luther was in Error in Regard of his doctrine of Consubstantiation Therefore his Refutations of their Opinions and Doctrines is not to be considerable 1. THis is a strange shift indeed for is it not a miserable perverseness in the Jesuites and others Popish Doctors and Writers that being not able to maintain their own Heresies against Luther they will think to escape in the Judgement of Men from being condemned because Luther himself in one point of Doctrine erred 2. May no man convince Error but such an one as is free from Error at all Himself 3. The Scriptures are left unto us to be our Rule of Truth by them must all Doctrine be squared and directed they sit in the highest Seat of Judgement to give Sentence in every Cause 4. With Them did Luther cut down the Popish Errors 5. But one Error of Luther cannot serve to excuse infinite Errors in the Popish Church The Reformed of England France Holland c. do not Believe whatsoever the late Writers have said 1. WE are not so addicted in these Reformed Churches as to Believe whatsoever the late Writers have said 2. We are no more partial unto them in this behalf then we are unto the Ancient Fathers 3. Our Religion and Faith hangeth not upon the sayings of Men be they old or young but onely upon the Canonical Scriptures of God 4. And if they be against us so long as Scripture is for us our Cause is good and we will not be ashamed thereof 5. From hence it followeth That therefore most false is it that the Papists say That our Divity resteth upon these late Writers and young Fathers whom the Jesuites and other Popish Doctors do so scornfully compare with the Old Fathers 6. We use not to alledge for proofs authentical of any Doctrine and as the Rule of our Faith Calvin Bucer or others 7. But our Traditive and Use is this Thus saith the Lord Thus say the Prophets Thus say the Apostles Thus the Evangelists Thus it is written in the Scriptures Thus we read in some Book of the Old or of the New Testament Again If Luther or any other Learned Man among the Protestants or of the Reformed in the Churches above mentioned have either Interpreted the Scripture in somthing amiss or have doubted of some one Book of Scripture whereof doubt also hath been made of old in the Church of Christ we are not to defend their Expositions or to approve their Judgement Again The particular Opinions of Luther and Lutherans are not to be objected by the Papists against the Reformation of England France the United Provinces c. 1. FOr these Reformed Churches are not bound to justifie all Luthers sayings and the Lutherans and their private Opinions no more then the Papists will be content to avouch whatsoever hath been spoken or published by any one or other famous man of their Sect. 2. Which thing if they will take upon them to perform then let them profess it or else they offer us the more injury that object still against us a saying which was never either uttered or allowed by us 3. This might suffice men of indifferent Reason § Of Luthers Error concerning the Bodily Presence in the Sacrament LVther retained this Error of his old leaven wherewith in time of Papistry his Judgement was corrupted § Another Answer of the Reformed to the Objection made by the Jesuites against Luther in regard of his Error of Consubstantiation That therefore his Refutation of their Doctrine is not to be considerable THe Reformed again return this answer to that Objection 1. That although Luther therein somthing swarved from the Truth yet that he might bring in other Causes assured thereof out of the Word of God reject the Opinions of such as dissent from the same word 2. Otherwise no Man in Defence of Gods Truth may challenge or bid Defiance to the Adversaries thereof seeing they have no Priviledge or Charter granted to them but that themselves also may be deceived § Again Concerning Luther 1. LVther say the Reformed was an excellent Man and a worthy servant of Christ 2. Whose Ministery especially it pleased God to use in revealing to these Times the Son of Perdition who fitteth in the Temple of God and advanceth himself above God 3. Yet Luther was a Man 4. And therefore no marvel if he were not exempted altogether as from Ignorance so also from Infirmities § Concerning the Contention between Luther and Zuinglius about the Sacrament of the Lords Supper 1. 1. THis Contention and Dissention was a very hard one hotly debated in many Books 2. And the same hath continued since to the great hinderance of the Gospel and offence of many 3. In which contrary Writings and Discourses are found oftentimes harder speeches of either against other then were to be wished 4. Now do come in the Popish Writers like crafty enemies and gathering a heap of such speeches out of sundry of their Books do insert the same in their Books to make their Readers acquainted therewith that seeing such earnest contention among the chiefest Professors of the Gospel they may be further withdrawn in alienation of mind from the love and liking thereof 2. Examination of that matter 1. THose speeches of either against other which are harder oftentimes then were to be wished are yet such as the godly Servants of the Lord in contention about the Truth somtimes are moved to utter against their Brethren 1. S. Paul openly and sharply reprehended S. Peter to his face whereat wicked Porphyrie catched a like occasion to rail at Christian Religion long since as our Adversaries do at these dayes 2. What a violent and troublesome contention was there between Theophilus of Alexandria and good Chrysostome of Constantinople 3. Who knoweth not how sharply Cyrillus a learned and wise Bishop of Alexandria hath written against Theodoretus a good and Catholick Bishop in a Controversie touching the Catholique Faith both Bishops both Catholiques both Learned both Godly both Excellent Pillars of the Church And yet he that readeth both their Writings would think that both were dangerous Enemies of the Church and of the Faith of Christ and to be avoided of all Christians 2. So in the Books of Luther and of Zuinglius and of those that maintain either part appeareth we grant great sharpness and bitterness of Dissention who all notwithstanding if we set the heat of Dissention aside were as godly as learned as zealous Christians as the World had any The Reformed Religion and Church are not Heretical 1. WHat if the Romish Church condemned Luther Shall we say therefore that Luther is an Heretick 2. The Church of Jerusalem condemned Christ and Him and his they would have denyed to be the true Church but for all their Denial it was not less the true Church 3. The
us learne by this what the Gods of the Pagans and Gentiles were 1. 1. IT is written of Ewhemere of Tegea That the cause why he was called an Atheist was for that he wrote the true History and Genealogie of the heathen Gods 2. Shewing that they were Kings Princes and great Personages 3. Whose Images being kept for a Remembrance of them were turned into Idols 4. Their High and worthy Doings into yearly Gaming 's 5. And their Honourings into Worshippings 2. 1. ANd Seneca writes in his Book of Superstition that the Gods as he saith which were called inviolable and immortall were dumb and senceless Images disguised in the shapes of Men of Beasts and of Fishes and some in ugly and ill favoured Monsters 2. That the Daemones which were the Devils which possessed those Images did require worse things for their service then the horriblest Tyrants that ever were 3. As that men should Gash themselves Maime and Lame themselves Geld themselves and offer to them in Sacrifice Men Women and Children Seeing the Romans brought into Rome the Gods of all the Nations whom they had conquered It is demanded how it happened that the God of the Ancient Jewes which was the true and the onely God and none other did find no place there 1. CIcero in his Oration for Flaccus answereth That that beseemed not the Majestie of the Empire 2. But in his conscience did Bacchus Anubis Pryapus and their shameful Nightwakes and Mysteries celebrated in the Dark yeild Renown to the State of the Empire 3. Nay if he will say the Truth they knew that the God of Israel and none other was the true God 4. And that for the harbouring of him it behoved them to drive away all the rest 5. And they had for so long a time fed the people in Idolatrie that they were afraid as many Princes also to be cast and driven away by their Subjects in receiving their rightful Lord. They were Devils who were worshipped by the Pagans under the Name of their false Gods 1. THe Gods of the Pagans were men 2. Under the Names of those men the Devils made themselves to be worshipped 3. The Devils to get credit and to authorize themselves did borrow the Name of men and very often the Names of most wicked men 4. And in their Oracles when they were asked what they were they said that they were those men 5. As for Example he that was worshipped at Delphos said he was the Son of Latona Esculapius said he was the Son of Apollo and Mercury said he was the Son of Jupiter and of Maja as we read in their Oracles rehearsed by Porphyrius 6. Now what honest man doth not make difficultie for never so great gain to make use of the Name of a wicked man Nay who doth not abhor the Name and the very remembrance of such an one 7. And who then will not conclude that those Devils were worse then those wicked men who would win credit clothed of the skins of such wicked men 1. The Sybils speak but of one onely God 2. And do cry also against the false Gods 1. IT is disputed among the Learned by what Spirit the Sybils did speak because it is not unconvenient that God should compel the very Devils to set forth his Praises 2. Howsoever it be they speak but of one onely God saying There is but onely one true God right great and everlasting Almighty and Invincible which seeth every thing but cannot be seen himself of any fleshly man Lactantius lib. 1. cap. 6. 3. Also they cry out against the false Gods and exhort men to beat down their Altars accounting them happy who shall dedicate themselves to the glorifying of onely one God Among the divers Religions of Pagans there were some manifestly impious and wicked 1. SOme worshipping the Creatures in Heaven yea and on Earth as the Aegyptians did in old time and as the Tartarians do at this day 2. Some offering up Men in Sacrifices as the Carthaginians did in old time and as the Western Isles do yet at this day 3. And other-some permitting things not onely contrary to all Laws but also even horrible and lothsome to nature 4. If all this was good I pray you what good doth remain or what evil is there in the World Of the False Worship of the Idolatrous Heathen 1. THe Idolatrous Heathen did render a Religious Worship 2. And were not content onely to offer Beasts to their Gods as the Jewes did to the true God but also they did offer men 3. For in some places they Sacrifice their Children as among the Moabites In others their Fathers as among the Triballi Elsewhere their Princes or Priests as among the Indians And in some Countries Themselves as among the Americans 4. Yet for all this their throwing themselves into or causing others to passe through the fire to their Moloch or Saturn or Abaddon they are not to be accounted true worshippers and such worship is not true but false 5. Because what they doe in this kind is not done by Gods Commandement nor intended to the honour of the true God but it is in obedience and to the honour of an Idol or Devil whom they worship instead of the true God Of the Falshood of the Modern Jews Religion in particular 1. THey serve and honour onely one God but they soyle with many Fables the Doctrine of the nature of God and of the Providence which they acknowledge as it clearly appears by the Fables which are related by Buxtorfius 2. The Modern Jewes seek the means of their reconciliation in some outward Ceremonies in Washings and Purifications and such other like things whose Conscience being awaked they are forced to acknowledge that by such things the Remorse of the Conscience and the Sting of Sin cannot be plucked out from the sinful Man 3. 1. The Modorn Jews although it seems that they keep the Bark of the Law yet they denie the Truth thereof 3. Besides they give false Interpretations to the said Law as it is to be seen in divers places of the New Testament 4. Moreover they forge and invent many absurd things concerning the Messias and the Kingdom thereof As also concerning Eternal Life all contrarie to the Doctrine of the Old Testament Of the Religion of the Modern Jews In what respects now the Judaical Religion is opposite to Christ 1. THe Jews Religion is opposite to Christ in two respects principally First In retaining the old Ceremonies of Moses Law which were shadows of things to come Rom. 10.4 Heb. 10.1 and had their accomplishment in Christ For that which S. Paul saith concerning Circumcision is to be understood of all other Ceremonies Gal. 4.9 5.2 They which entangle themselves with that Yoke of Bondage under those impotent and beggarly rudiments are abolished from Christ and Christ doth profit them nothing Secondly In devising a multitude of strange and new Superstitions coined in the Mint of their Rabinish conceits contrary not
different Religion and to marry with another Person which shall not differ in Religion The Spirit is not without the Word and must be examined by the Word of God against Anabaptistical Enthusiasts TRy the Spirits whether they be of God or no by the Word of God 1 Joh. 4.1 To the Law and to the Testimony saith the Prophet Esaiah if they speak not according to this Word it is because there is no light in them Esa 8.20 And if we saith the Apostle or an Angel from Heaven preach unto you any other Gospel than what ye have received let him be accursed Gal. 1.8 That is saith S. Augustine than what is contained in the Prophetical and Apostolical writings August contr tit Petil. lib. 3. c. 6. Of Schism and Schismaticks 1. SChisme is a Dissention or Separation when one or more separate and rent themselves from the outward fellowship of the Faithful cutting asunder the Peace and Unity of the Church upon some dislike of some Rites and Orders therein lawfully received and observed or else upon different Opinions about their Teachers 2. As Heresie is a departing from the Communion of the Church in respect of Doctrine so Schism is a cutting off ones self for External things An example hereof we have 1 Cor. 1.10 c. In these words every one of you says I am Pauls I am Appollos I am Cephas and I am Christs 3. There are two kinds of Schism one is Simple and without any conjunction of Error in Doctrine The other is Mixt that is to say that it is conjoined with some Error in Doctrine 4. It is not the Separation that makes the Schism but the Cause of the said Separation as the Doctors of the Cannon Law do teach 5. This cause of Separation must not be the corrupt Life and Manners of some Members of a particular Church but onely Errors Heresies and Idolatry 6. In this regard the Reformed Churches are not Schismatical Because for such a cause they have separated themselves from the Roman Church 6. It is rather the Roman Church which is Heretical and the Pope Head of the same because they have given the cause of the Separation by their Heresies their Idolatry their Persecutions and their Tyrannie 8. Before this Separation of the Reformed from the Roman Church there hath been great Schismes in her by the plurality of Popes which she had at the same times 9. There hath been also many Schisms in the said Roman Church by the Division of her Doctors 10. The Reformed Church do wish the Convocation of a lawful Council to reform the Errors and Abuses of the Roman Church 11. Besides the Roman Church other Churches have been Schismatical as that of the Donatists and of the Novatians who for some Faults of some Members of the Church did separate themselves from the Communion of the Church 13. There is a great danger in Schisme although it be not as great an evil as Heresie and therefore the remedy must be applied unto it as soon as it doth appear Of the False Religions in general and conjointly 1. Of Pagans and Gentiles 2. Of the Modern Jewes 3. Of Turks and Mahumetans which are all Enemies of the Church of God 1. Of Pagans and Gentiles 1. THe Pagans and Gentiles are ignorant of the true God of the truth of his Word 2. And among them some are found who not by consequence and as if they did not mind and mean it but by expresse profession do worship the Devil builds Temples unto him and render unto him Religious Worship 2. Of the Modern Jewes THe Modern Jewes which are now scattered among the Nations of the Earth are virulent enemies of Christ and of his Church for having persecuted the Saviour during his Life they injure him and blaspheme against him after his Death 3. Of the Turks and Mahumetans THe Turks and Mahumetans do preferre their Mahumet to Christ and do follow the pernitious Doctrine which the Alcoran doth propound unto them Of the False Religion of the Ancient Pagans in particular 1. THe Principle and the Rule of the true Religion is the Word of God 2. The Marks of the true Religion are 1. The true knowledge of the true God 2. The true Worship of the true God 3. The true Mean of Mans Reconciliation with God 3. Let now every one consider well whether all that is to be found elsewhere than in the Ancient Judaical Religion and in the true Christian 4. Truely not among the ancient Pagans 1. For instead of a Word of God which enlightneth us to Salvation there were but Ambiguous Vain Frivolous Oracles which did not speak neither of the Glory of God nor of Mans Salvation 2. Instead of the true God among them onely were found Devils Men and Idols 3. Instead of a sufficient Mediatour they only had Washings which pass not further then the skin Slaughters of Men Sacrifices of poor wretched condemned for their Crimes 5. How could there have been a true Religion among the said Pagans since they did not know nor had the true God how could there have been among them an assured and certain Religion since the true God did not speak unto them and how could there have been a saving Religion among them since the true God did not intervene in it What differences there are between the true God and the false Gods of ancient Pagans and Gentiles THe true God is stiled the Living God in opposition to the Heathen Idols which were without Life Sense or Motion 1. They had eyes and saw not ears and heard not hands and handled not whereas the true God hath no eyes yet seeth no ears yet heareth no hands yet worketh all things 2. The Heathen Idols were carried upon mens shoulders or Camels backs as the Prophet Esay excellently describeth the manner of their Procession Esa 46.1 2 3. But contrariwise the true God beareth his Children and supporteth them from the womb even to their old age and gray hairs 3. The Heathen Gods as S. Augustine observeth in the Siege of Troy saved not them that worshipped them but were saved by them from Fire and Spoile whereupon he inferreth what folly was it to worship such Gods for the preservation of the City and Countrey which were not able to keep their own keepers but the true God preserveth them that serve him and hideth them under the shadow of his wings Of the great multitude and diversity of the Gods acknowledged and worshipped by the Pagans 1. THe Assyrians worshipped as many Gods as they had Towns 2. The Persians had as many Gods as there be Stars in the Heaven and Fires on Earth 3. The Greeks had as many Gods as they had Fancies 4. The Aegyptians had as many Gods as they Sowed or planted Fruites or as the Earth brought forth Fruites of it self 5. To be short the Romans in conquering the World did conquer all those Vanities and they wanted not wit to devise others of their own brain Let