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A08075 Newes from the low-countreyes. Or The anatomy of Caluinisticall calumnyes, manifested in a dialogue betweene a Brabander, and a Hollander Vpon occasion of a placcart, lately published in Holla[n]d, against the Iesuites, priests, friars &c. by those that there assume vnto themselues, the tytle of the high-mighty-lords, the States &c. Translated out of the Netherland language, into English. By D.N.; Anatomie van Calviniste calumnien. English. Verstegan, Richard, ca. 1550-1640.; D. N., fl. 1622.; Cresswell, Joseph, 1556-1623, attributed name. 1622 (1622) STC 18443; ESTC S120471 29,088 102

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his power There is also to be considered that if so be the first Christians to wit those of the primitiue Church haue belieued as Caluinists now do that the body of Christ is not really in this Sacramēt or that this Sacramēt is but a figure signe or token of the body of Christ how when began the beliefe in the world that the body of Christ was really there Through whose ordayning was it so to be taken belieued By whome was it taught By whom was it writtē At what time was it that Communion-tables were taken out of Churches and Altars erected there in their places The Hollander That know I not The Brabander Nor no man els But all Christendome knowes where when and by whome Altars in Churches haue byn broken downe Communion-tables there brought in No lesse to be seene and noted to all the Christians of the world must it needs haue byn if in any foregoing age since the time of Christ Communion Tables if they had byn in Churches had byn caryed out and in place thereof Altars had byn builded and Masse then begun to haue byn said at them Christians then first taught that the reall Presence of Christ was to be belieued to be there The Hollander Verily you do now tell me much The Brabander I will yet tell you more howbeit but in briefe for I will leaue these matters that Concerne controuersies in religion to be debated more largely learnedly by Catholike Deuines but that which I haue to tell you is this That besydes the Catholike Christians of the Roman Church there are great numbers of Christiās of the Greeke Church There are many Christians of the Abissine or Ethiopian Church There are Christians of Malabar in the east Indies which were at first conuerted by Saint Thomas the Apostle with sundry other sorts of ancient Christians aswell in Asia as in Africa for the Apostles themselues haue byn in those Countreys first preached among their ancestors and brought them to the fayth These do differ in some points and ceremonies one from another also from the Church of Rome but all these Christians can shew out of their Ecclesiasticall Annales and Church histories that they haue had Masse euen from the very tyme of the Apostles and haue alwayes belieued that the body of Christ was really in the Sacrament of the Altar and albeit that these are sequestred from the Church of Rome and all of them who vnto that Church haue not reconciled themselues are by the same holden for Schismatikes yet will they all beare witnesse for the Church of Rome against all our European new different sectaries that they doe all of them falsely bely the said Church in affirming those things to be corruptions which they take vpon them to reforme The Hollander Doe they affirme that the Apostles themselues haue first planted the Masse in their Countreyes The Brabander All of them with one consent doe resolutly affirme it assuredly knowing that the Masse hath not had among thē any other originall The Hollander I haue in Holland both read heard somthing but this that you now tel me did I neuer read nor heare before but how is it then that the Apostles haue not mentioned this in their writings The Brabander The Apostles well knew that they had no need to write that which they instituted and taught to be daily in vse among Christians seeing it could not then be forgotten and therefore needed not for the preuenting of obliuion to be putit dovvne in vvryting Of the greatest number of the Apostles we haue no wrytings at all and those that wrote haue left many things vnwritten aswell concerning Christ himselfe as concerning their owne selues not hauing written when or by whome themselues were baptized nor whether they were baptized or no and yet were they without all doubt baptized They knew that Christ had promised to send the Holy Ghost vnto his holy Catholike Church to teach the sayd church all truth and to remayne therewith to the end of the world what necessity was there then for them to put downe all thinges in wryting whereas their expresse charge was to go ouer all the world and preach and baptize and this may well be the cause that but fiue of the twelue Apostles of christ haue written and those but briefly neyther and the other seauen not at all or not whereof we haue any notice But neuer will I belieue that any of the Apostles that haue written haue euer intended that their wrytings aboue fifteene hundreth years after their deaths should then first come to be truly interpreted by a Iohn Caluin or such like who in our miserable dayes haue afflicted the whole Christian world The Hollander You haue heere told me so much and with so cleere apparence of truth that I stand wondering thereat and by Gods grace I will not leaue to reflect well vpon it The Brabander Your Gewses-reformed will also make Catholikes Idolaters for hauing of Images in their Churches They may make Moyses an Idolater also who notwithstanding he forbad the making of Idols erected Images in his temple for he well knew the difference betweene the one and the other The Heathenish Idolls agaynst which the sacred Scripture inueygheth so much the Heathen did offer sacrifice vnto which is the highest and greatest honour that is done vnto God himselfe The belyers of Catholikes may put on their spectacles to see what sacrifice or Godly honour is done by them vnto Images albeit they be Images of Christ of his blessed Mother and of his Saints not of the Gods of the Heathen which were all Diuells No Catholikes offer sacrifice to any Images no Catholikes pray to any Images for so to doe were not only a most grieuous offence vnto God but a great folly madnes in humayne creatures A dog will neuer run at a carued or painted hare Doe Sectaries weene that Catholikes haue lesse sense then brute beasts can they not vnderstand as well as vnreasonable beasts that they are things without life Catholike Christians haue them in vse for memory of God and of his Saints and in reuerencing them the reuerence is meant and referred vnto those they represent as when at hearing the name of IESVS we doe not reuerence the sound but our thoughts are straightwayes by that sound transported to Christ himselfe as by the sight of his Image they also are But your Caluinian pulpit-fellowes to seduce bring the people in false conceyts of Catholikes will perforce make them Idolaters and belye them in despyte of truth But let vs now proceed to to the rest The Hollander So I pray you do for I haue heard inough of this wrong-named Idolatry The Brabander Concerning the point that Iesuites and Priestes do go about to bring the good inhabitants of these vnited Prouinces to an auersion from their lawfull superiours is in troth as good a iest to be laught at as it were that a thiefe hauing cut a