truliest talke and dispute in his owne Art and that hee is rather to bee beleeued therin than any other But what woorkmans woorkmanship thincke you is thys worlde Is it any others than Gods onely so that wee ought to beleeue none rather than him who in hys woorde teacheth vs the maner and order of framinge his woorke that is to saye the worlde To bee shorte who knoweth seeth and vnderstandeth more truely the causes of all things their properties effectes the maner of their beeing the times when first they began then hee who is the maker of them all and the perpetuall gouernour of them all who beeing GOD and sence hee him selfe telleth these thinges what man will at anye time bee so mad but to thinke that hee is rather to bee harkened vnto in thys respect and all other writers to bee neglected Truely wee as also all other Philosophers howsoeuer surpassing in wit abounding in leasure what soeuer diligence they employed in study yet could neuer neither wee nor they attayne vnto certaine obscure slender sparkes of naturall Philosophie And whatsoeuer we define coÌ„cerning these matters without the woorde of God it is so vncerteine doubtfull variable and contrarie to it selfe and many times so contrarie to the trueth that in the ende wee are ashamed that wee either learned so or taught so which may appeare to be true if it wer but only out of Plutarchus booke De Placitis Philosophorum Of the opinions of Philosophers whereas that excellent learned man and great Philosopher sheweth that neuer two of them agreed in the knowledge of the things that are created S. Can you confirme the trueth of your opinion by the auchoritie of Gods woord to wit that this knowledge may well and safely bee learned out of the holy scriptures M. Yeas verily S. Recite them I pray you M. The first testimonie is that which is writen euidently in the epistle to the Hebrues in these woords Through Faith wee vnderstande that the worlde was made by the woorde of God. Wherefore wee vnderstande these thinges by Faith. If by Faith then by the holy scripture for ther can bee no faith without the scripture And therfore wee must certainely conclude that the true and certeine knowledge concerninge these matters is declared vnto vs by the holy scripture The seconde aucthoritie is the 1. chapter of Genesis For Moses who at the commaundement and appointment of God wrot that historie of all other most excellent and wounderfull of the beginninge of the worlde and creation of all thinges is either a vaine fellowe or a lier if the knowledge of naturall Philosophie be not conteined in the holy Scripture For what other thing doth hee in that booke than briefly howbeit truely and orderly set downe the originall of thinges and theyr vertues natures and effectes that is to say Naturall Philosophie The thyrde is a place in the Prouerbes the viii Chapiter and the 20. verse the nexte folowinge where it is saied that all thinges were created by the wysdome of God and afterwarde as they were created so are they preserued The fourth aucthoritie is alleaged out of the 42. Chapiter and 17. verse of Ecclesiast This wisdome hath God giuen to his Sainctes saith hee that they might recoumpt all his miracles and workes and search them all yea hell it selfe c. wherevnto wee may adde that which is written in the vii chapiter of the booke of VVisedom the 22. verse and the next folowing Finally let vs heare the moste holye Martyr of God and good Father Irenaeus who in his seconde booke and 2. Chapter saithe thus To whom therefore shall wee giue more credit concerning the framing of the worlde to those that wee spake of beefore so iangling in folly and inconstancie or to the Disciples of the Lorde and the seruant and Prophet of God Moses who first reuealed the creation of the worlde The selfe same thing S. Basell and S. Ambrose and S. Chrisostome in the prefaces of their Exameron or Six dayes woorke doe with one consent and plainely confirme so that whoso shall deney that the knowledge of Naturall Philosophie may not truely and commodâ—ously bee learned out of holy scripture gainsaith the sacred woorde of GOD and openly repugneth against the learned Fathers In conclusioÌ„ hearken to â—ertullian who in the 46. chapter of hys Apologet doth truely and plainly pronounce that the sacred woorde of God which is most auncient was as it were the treasurie and stoarehouse vnto all later wisdom From thence saith hee the Philosophers haue quenched the thirst of their wits But as men that were ouer riotous in the study onely of glorie and eloquence if they found any thyng in holy scripture when they had digested it according to the purpose of their curiositie they conuerted it to their owne woorkes S. Doe they that are of the contrarie opinion bring nothing against thys M. Yeas two argumentes especially S. What bee they M. This is the first That the ende of euery art ought to bee distinguished and that Naturall Philosophie is one thing and Diuinitie another whereof thys last is conteined in holie write but the other is not so S. Is that consequent and assertion true M. No verily S. Howe so M. For that although they gather that truly that artes ought to bee distinguished and that Diuinitie which conteineth the promises of euerlastinge lyfe teaching also the waye thervnto and the causes thereof ought to bee separated from Naturall Philosophie whiche entreateth of the framinge of this visible worlde and the natures of all thinges in the same yet doe they not say truely in denyinge that the order of the creation of this world the sundrie kindes of things their natures manifold sortes are taught distinguished and orderly set downe in holy Scripture All these thinges are copiously declared there which are the peculiar subiect matter of the Art of Natural Philosophie Wherefore Naturall Philosophie is comprehended in holy scripture The same also you may learne by another example are not Diuinitie and the morall parte of Philosophie both of them as they differ in kinde discerned in the holy scriptures And yet who is so rasbe and folishe that he dare deny that the Ethike or moral Philosophie yea and that most truly and generally is deliuered vnto vs in holie scripture wherefore the distinct endes of Artes and treatises are no impediment but that the Generall Naturall Philosophie and also Diuinitie are conteined in the holy Scriptures forsomuch as Natural Philosophic is as it were a parte of Diuinitie and an handmaideÌ„ vnto the same For it is a notable meane to knowe God by which thing also S Ambrose confesseth with mee What shall I saye more The Heathen Philosophers them selues when they dispute of the worlde and the creation of the partes therof and when they intreat of the nature of thinges they saye that thei play the Diuines and enter into discourse of Diuinitie as Aristotle speaketh in his booke de mundo of
the maker and creatour of this world and that all thinges were fashioned brought foorth by his hande will power And that I may not traueill in the gathering togither of these testimonies I will here recite vnto you twayne for all the one in the Psalme 104. and 29. verse If thou hyde thy face they are troubled if thou take away their breath they die and returne vnto their dust if thou send foorth thy spirite they are created and thou renuest the face of the earth the other in Isay the 45. chap. and 18. verse For thus sayth the Lorde that created heauen God hymself that formed the earth and made it hee that prepared it hee created it not in vayne hee formed it to bee inhabited And therefore the auncient Fathers commonlie termed the worlde a woorke perfectlie wrought The xvii Chapter Of the causes of the worlde and first of the cause efficient thereof which is God not Angels nor Diuells S. WHiche bee the causes of this world M There bee foure first the efficient or producing cause the materiall formall and finall S. Can you declare them seuerally vnto mee M. I will. S. Tell mee then whiche is the efficient cause M. God and hee onely S. Haue you anye reason wherby you can prooue thys your so short resolution M. Yea I haue And first Moses proueth that it was God y made this world Genesis y 1. chap. In the beginning God made heauen earth And Dauid also cōfirmeth same in y 33. Psalme and 6. verse By the woorde of the Lorde were the heauens made and all the hoste of them by the breath of his mouth For hee spake and it was doone hee commaunded and it stoode Likewise Isay in the 44. chap. And Iob the 12. chap. And finally both the newe and old Testament The same also did Anaxagoras the Philosopher signifie sum what obscurely hauing before receiued it by some auncient tradition who called the mynde that is to saye God the Creatour of all thinges who although hee were therefore laughed at by the other naturall Philosophers of his tyme yet he helde the true opinion Howbeeit the Marcionites and after them the Manichees doe vrge farther They say that this world wherin there is sutch disturbance and disorder among thinges is vnworthy to bee called or counted Gods woork For what confusion what calamitie what perturbacion is there seene in this worlde and in all these thinges where wicked men doe rule good men are vexed the Summer sometyme is colde the Haruest greeuous and daungerous and sutch other like accidentes doe happen And therfore if wee say that God made these things God is not the auctour of order in the world but of greate confusion S. But what is your opinion hereof M. They iudge amisse for God is the creatour and producyng cause of all those thinges and substaunces wherof the world consisteth and not of the confusion and disorder whiche now is and afterward came vppon them for that is the effect of mans transgression and a great part of that vanitie wherunto in the beeginnyng through Adam all thinges were subiect Romanes the 8. chap. Therefore it is not caused by GOD neither ingraffed by hym nor proceedyng from hym For hee created all thinges first good and in good order and subiect to no disorder confusion or deformitie So Romulus builded the Citie of Rome not those seditions which many hundred yeres after his death sprang vp at Rome through y ambition of men Wherfore against the Marcionites and Manichees we ought to distinguishe and deuide the thinges themselues their nature and substance from the deformitie whiche afterward hapned and came vpon them For the Heathen Philosophers themselues as Thales for example haue called this worlde a beutifull woorke and counted it woorthy of God agreate deale better than those Heretikes haue doone S. Proceede then with that which you began M. It was God therfore that created and fourmed this worlde what GOD Forsooth hee which is one in substance and three in person to wit the Father the Sunne and the holy Ghost and so is it to bee vnderstoode that God made the world to wit that it is the woorke of them all three indifferently and not either the Fathers or the Sunnes or the holy Ghosts specially or principally the woorkes also of the whole Trinitie are vndiuided althoughe the woorkemanship of either of the persons is distinct in the self same woorke S. Declare this which you spake more plainely M. Meses teacheth in the 1. of the Genesis that the Father wrought in the creation of the worlde and also the woord that is to say the Sunne like wise the holy ghost The father createth by his wil the woord or y Sunne createth by woorkinge and bringing foorth and the holy Ghost treateth by implāting of strength and nature and by giuing of motion and life whiche is in euery thinge for the bringinge foorth and preseruation therof And therfore S. Ihon in the 1. chap. and 3. and 14. verses when hee had declared that all thinges were made by the woorde hee saieth afterwarde that the same was the Sunne of god Wherfore the Sunne is and is also rightly called the creatour of the world And the holy Ghost giueth strength to liue and to mooue and also susteineth both that they may exist and liue also continue bee preserued Wherefore hee also in the creation of the world woorthily challengeth vnto himselfe some parte of so woorthie a woorke which also by Isay in the 40. chap. and 7. verse and the 41. chapter 29. verse are plainlyascribed and attributed vnto him S. There bee othersome that doe otherwise interprete this which you saye and by this name VVoorde and also the holy Ghost do not vnderstand certain substances or any thinge existing of themselues but suppose rather that thereby the meane is taught by which this worlde was made to wit not that by anye engin or frame not by ironwoorkes not by any handie crafte so hugie a mole was framed and brought foorth but onely by the commaundement and the word of Gods will that is to saye onely by the declaring and publishing of Gods decree which of it selfe is of sufficient power and efficacie M. I doe not deney but that those thinges which vnto vs of their owne nature are misticall and incomprehensible are opened and declared by suche parables set and set foorth in such wordes metaphores as by vs they may bee vnderstoode To wit that the eternall Sunne of God is called the woorde and the holie Ghost which is that diuine person substancial vertue subsistinge by it selfe and proceeding from the Father and the Sunne and is distinct notwithstāding is called a spirite But forasmuch as the scripture in an other place teacheth that that woorde is not a certain sound or declaratiō of Gods will a certeine common enuntiane or spoken woord that the spirite is not a power and vertue infused into thinges but that hee
hearbes and flowers without seede or slippe But hee that is the true creatour hee maketh his matter and stuffe in whiche and of which hee woorketh of nothing hee hath it not alreadie prepared or ministred from some other place But to saie that the matter was coeternall with God himselfe or existing of it selfe and to deny that it was firste made and brought foorth by God out of nothing is not the part of Christians but plainly of the Hermogenian heretikes So that there is a moste large distinction beetweene creation and engendring Those thinges are created whiche are made of no substanciall or materiall beeginnyng Those are engendred or made not whiche are made out of nothing but out of a former substance and matter Wherefore neither good Angels nor bad nor diuelles bee or ought to bee called creatours mutch lesse men for it is onely proper to God to create whiche these places following doe confirme to wit S. Augustine in his 3. booke of the Trinitie the 8. chap. Isay the 45. chapt Iob the 26. chapt the 33 Psalme Actes the 17. chap. and 24. verse Yet am I not ignorant notwithstandyng what othersome doe dispute against this that the power of creating may also bee giuen vnto creatures S. But there be many thinges that doe withstand your opinion M. What bee they S. First that whiche your selfe alleaged and is a moste certeine position among the naturall Philosophers and confirmed in all mens iudgementes by continual experience Nothyng is made of nothyng How then should God haue made al these thinges if so bee that hee had no matter prepared to his hand that is to say if hee had nothing to make them of M. Truely this is an olde obiection and often repeated by Heathen men in expoundyng whereof Iustine the Martyr or whosoeuer he was else that answered the obiections of the Ethnikes hee tooke great paines therin which difficultie mee thinkes I can easilye resolue First in that the insinite incomprehensible omnipotencie of God the creatour is not only a misse but peruersly called to the lawes of nature which was made and created For what is that other than to go about to make the creature equall to the Creatour But as the Lorde witnesseth that his thoughtes doe differ farre from ours so likewise is the force power farre discrepant from ours and farre excelling the strength and vertue of this nature Iob the 10. chapter and 45. verse Now if a man woulde thus conclude At this present and since the tyme that the Lorde appointed this order that nothing shoulde bee made of nothing there is nowe nothing made without matter readye and prepared beefore Wherefore in the beeginning and before that God had ordeined these lawes it toke place then neither coulde anye thinge bee made other wise Your selfe perceiue how much they are deceiued that doe so conclude As for example if a man would thus dispute that in the beeginning the first trees at the same verie instant wherin God made them could not bring foorthe their fruites bicause y now adaies they bee not so forwarde but neede longer time to beare and ripen them if a man I say shoulde reason thus euerie body woulde laughe him to skorne and woulde perceiue that hys sayinge were falfe out of Isay the 46. chapter and â–ª 8. verse and not onely out of the first Chapter of Moyses For whoso were of that opinion were deceiued through great ignorance and confusion of diuerse tymes and conditions which amonge thinges are to bee distinguished And euen so they who as you say doe obiect against the first creation of thinges That Nothing is made of nothing bycause that nowe nothing is made of nothing hee disputeth of most different and vnlike times and conditions To wit from the nature whiche was to bee created and not yet tied by any law vnto the nature created which is now reuoked constrained by sure certein lawes Which kynde of conclusion S. Augustine also laugheth at in his booke 2. booke against Pelagia the 25. Chapter Thus haue you my answere vnto that most common and vsuall argument of the Philosophers What is the seconde argument which you say may be brought against vs S. The aucthoritie which they alleage out of the xi cha and 18. verse of the booke of VVisedome For vnto thyne almightie hande that made the worlde out of a rude and vnfourmed matter there lacked no strength to sende a multitude of beares or of fierce Lions amonge them Ergo the worlde was made of rude and vnformed matter and not of nothyng To which opinion Sainct Augustine seemeth to agree in the 3. booke the 5. and 6. Chapters of the Trinitie For hee sayth that There is a certaine common matter consisting in the causes of the worlde M. Indeede this which you doe aleage hath seemed vnto some to bee a verie forceable argument And therfore the materiar heretikes which are called also the Hermogenians doe chiefly staye themselues vppon that against whom Tertullian hath writen manye noble and learned woorkes And that I may saye nothinge of the aucthoritie of that booke lyke as I sayde beefore notwithstanding I will answere this which is most true that it is there taught and beleeued that the same rude and vnformed matter out of which it is said the worlde was made was first created by GOD of nothing not out of any other matter wrought or supplied for so shoulde wee runne foorth infinitely neithere existinge of it selfe for then shoulde it bee verye god But whosoeuer he was that wrote that booke hee wrote in such manner out of the opinion whiche was then receiued and knowne amonge the Hebrue Rabbines and was afterward alowed of and embraced of all to wit that heauen and earth which two are saide in the 1. of Genesis to haue beene created the firste daye were as it were the first matter of Gods woorkes which were created afterwarde whiche God by his mightie vertue prepared vnto him self and cast togither ministred first rudely whereby afterwarde hee might finishe and forme the residue of that so greate a woorke And as touching Sainct Augustine they that alleage him against vs do altogither wreast hys auctority For S. Augustine intreateth not there of the first matter of thys whole worlde as though hee would haue it to bee one or feigned or imagined it to bee coeternall with God but hee speaketh of the seconde matter through which as in thinges nowe alreadye created one thinge sprunge of an other by the commaundement of GOD as out of the earth trees and beastes and as at thys daye also they are made and doe proceede There was foresowne saith hee eeuen in those thinges the matter of such thinges as arose and sprung out of them the 3. booke of Genesis vppon the letter the 14. chapter and the 2. booke the 15. chapter and the 1. booke the 14. and 15. Chapter and the 5. booke the 5. chap. S. Thirdly they saye that that is not the
a mans children or sunnes are beegotten of the fathers seede and substance Moreouer whatsoeuer is said to spring and come of another ought not by and by to be called the sunne of that from whiche it springeth For Lice doe breede out of a mannes fleshe yet are thei not called the sunnes of men or of their fleshe To cōclude since the comparison and respecte of GOD vnto the worlde is rather like the woorkeman to the woorke than like the Father to the Sunne truely the worlde may bee termed the woorke and perfected labour of God but by no meanes called his Sunne The. xxi Chapter What God created first to bee the matter for thinges that were created afterward S. HEtherto you haue discoursed of the efficiēt cause now saye sumwhat concernyng the materiall cause of the world M. What matter can I name vnto you since there was none at all as I haue sufficiently disputed and proued beefore as this woord Create declareth if you haue regarde to it owne proper signification Neither do I thinke it woorth the traueill to confute the opinions of the Philosopers who haue almoste euerie one of them stūbled at this block or else to conuince the heresie of the Hermogenians who reuoked that errour whiche was nowe long since extinguished in the Churche of God out of the scooles and opinions of the Stoikes and chose rather to learne how the world beegan at the handes of naturall Philosophers than of true Christians and out of Gods woord Al whose argumentes Tertullian hath confuted in a noble and profitable woorke whiche is now abroade in mens handes and is most worthie to bee read S. I doe not require after that which was not but this rather whether that among those thinges whiche God created of nothing there were any thing disposed prepared and brought foorth that afterward serued the turne and stoode in steede in the creation of other things out of which God did afterward facion and fourme al thinges else that remained to be made M. You mooue mee to enter into a difficult question which consisteth both of like number of weightie reasons and of auctorities of graue writers For among the learned auctours some thinke that Heauen and earth of whiche in the 1. chapt of Genesis and 1. verse it is writen In the beginnyng God made heauen and earth were made by God of nothyng howbeit first and before all thinges to the intent that they might be the prepared matter of all other thinges that were to be afterward created And therfore they say that God did nothyng the other daies following but onely distinguysh this matter and masse which was first confusedly brought foorth and conteined in it the seedes of all other thinges into the proper kindes and elementes and that euerie thing should be trimmed foorth in it owne kind and gouerned by it owne lawe Other dooe suppose otherwise that these thinges were only set downe in the beginning as it were in maner of a preface or supposition of some discourse that should ensue to the end that the summe of the whole matter following might be the better vnderstoode and the boundes of so great a frame as the world is bee drawne foorth In like maner cunning Carpenters when they are about to build some goodly and large house they firste drawe out a platfourme in certeine proportions and lines conteining the fourme of the whole woork that shal bee to the intent they may point out and place the other roomthes of the buildyng within that circuite so conteine themselues within those limites Thus say they heauen and earth are proposed by Moses and that in the beeginning of his Narration to the ende wee might vnderstande what limites the discription following and the whole woorke should haue Like as he also repeateth again those limites after the narration of the creation concludeth the whole woorke whiche hee set foorth after the same manner Genesis the 2. chapter and 1. verse Wherefore In the beginnyng God created heauen and earth that is to saye firste of all the summe of all Gods woorkes is layd beefore vs to bee thought on Moreouer Ireneus in his 2. booke the 10. 11. and 16. chapters sheweth that GOD is not like men as not hauing neede of any matter that hee had created or prepared before hand to finish or make his other woorkes of S. Howe then doe you thinke otherwise M. Truely the interpretation and opinion of the fyrste sorte seemeth vnto mee the more probable which hold that the heauen and earth in suche maner as thei are there spoken of were firste created by GOD of nothing howbeit as it were a rude matter of the whole woorke and bewtie that shoulde folowe out of which God by his mightie power brought foorth all the residue Although almightie God lacked no matter to create firste heauen and earth with all neither yet to bring forthe the woorkes of the other daies like as at this day also he needeth not the seede of man to bryng foorth men of if hee lust to doe otherwise notwithstanding in these questions wee must not enquire how much hee was able to doe sayeth S. Augustine in his 2. booke de Genesi but rather what the course of nature in things will suffer and what his pleasure is and what hee hath reuealed vnto vs by his woorde Neither doth this mine opinion want iust and sufficient confirmation either of the auctoritie of men or of reason And as for auctoritie there is none against mee seeing bothe Philo Iudaeus and the Rabbines commonly and the best learned of the Hebrues doe so expounde that place of Moses yea S. Augustine also oftentimes as in the 5. booke de Ge nesi ad Literam the 3. and 5. chapters and the 1. booke the 5. chapter S. Ambrose likewise in Examero and S. Chrysostome and S. Basile with others S. But can you confirme your opinion by any reason M. Yea by twaine And the first is that this exposition doth very well agree with Moses woordes and order and againe that it seemeth to be plainly confirmed by this woord Beeginning and the signification therof For a beeginning is sayd in comparison of other thinges And therefore to the intent hee might shewe how all other thinges were made afterwarde out of those twayne Moses plainly vseth this preface to wit that the same heauen and the same earth were created in the beeginning that is to saye beefore all the other woorkes that God made and also to the vse of all the other that is to saie from whence afterward the residue were taken and as it were made The very footsteppes as it were of whiche opinion howbeeit the trueth beeyng now and then manifestly intercepted do appeare to be exstant in Hesiodus in his Theogonia and Ouid also in that place of the firste booke of his Metamorphosis which is so well knowne Beefore the Sea and Earth c. This reason also may bee alleaged that the thing itself and specially
the worlde so that it is no maruaile that wee haue iudged that the true and Christian Diuinitie is partly busied also in matter of Naturall Philosophie and the settinge foorth thereof and that for that cause also the holie Scripture is in part occupied in settinge foorth of these things forasmuch as this knowledge also maketh to the aduauncement of gods glory For in these visible thinges the power wisdome and eternitie of God is to bee seene liuely S. What is the other argument of theirs that are of the contrarie opinion M. This forsooth that those thynges which Moses hath written are most plainely and simply set downe and in such kinde of stile which is fitted to our capacitie and applied to the weakenesse of mans sence and not truely and exactly expressed according to the truth of thinges and finally that Moses doeth neither throughly neither subtily search out or set downe the thinges themselues and their natures wherefore they conclude that the true distinct and perfect knowledge of the naturall part is other whence to bee drawne and learned S. What answere you vnto these thinges M. Uerily I confesse that these matters concerning Naturall Philosophie are not gloriously in a filed style set foorth by Moses although hee were the beste learned man that euer lyued but rather in a bare and simple kinde of writinge striped out of all ornament as it were out of apparrell wherby that which hee writeth may the more easily bee vnderstood But as it is to bee graunted that hee spake simply so can it not bee prooued that hee spake or wrote lyingly falsely and ignorantly of those thinges It is one thing therfore to acknowledg that Moses stile is bare simple which kinde of vtterauÌ„ce is meet for the truth and another thing to say that hee is a false man and a lyar which no man can affirme but whoso is of a corrupt conscience Wherfore simply but truely barely but rightly commonly but purely doth hee deliuer vnto vs those thinges which hee writeth concerning the worlde of the principall partes therof of the causes and effectes of thinges to bee beleeued holden and taughte among menne Uerily I confesse that Moses applyed himselfe to the capacitie of our seÌ„ses Howbeit I deney that which they affirme that therfore hee did not roue at the trueth of the matter or had not regarde vnto it for it was his purpose to set downe those things in wrâ—tinge easily barely and truely S. But some are of opinion that all those things which hee wrote in the first chapter of Genesis are to bee interpreted allegorically So neither do they think that those six dayes are the space of time neither that the woman in deede was made of Adams ribbe neither that all the residue are so to bee taken as Moses words doe pretende and sownde Which opinion if it be true what shall bee sure or certeine in all that whole chapter and such like writinges of other Prophetes as apperteining to the knowledge of Naturall Philosophie or that maye teache vs the same M. You saye well Indeede some haue benne of that opinion which notwithstanding S. Augustine confuteth in his 1. booke in the Proheme also in the 8. booke and 2. chapter de Genesiad Literam of Genesis vpon the letter S. Peter likewyse in the 3. chapter and 5. verse of hys seconde Epistle and in the epistle to the Hebrues the 11. chapter and 3. verse doth openly impungne this errour of the Allegorists affirminge that those things which Moses hath reported concerning the creation of the worlde are spoken naturally and plainly and not allegorically or figuratiuely S. And what at the length doe you conclude of all these thinges which you haue recited M. That forsooth which S. Augustine concludeth in hys 5. booke and 8. chapter of Genesis That those things which Moses wrot are true although they can be established by no other reasons For if a man will dispute to proue that these thinges are false or hee himselfe can say no certentie concerning the estate and gouerment of creatures or if hee saye not true will hee suppose these thinges to bee false in that hee himselfe vnderstandeth them not Who will beleeue that Aristotle or Plato did knowe any thinge concerninge the creation of the worlde and the causes of thinges whereof Moses was ignorant who first receiued the thinges which he wrote by most secret reuelation from god Secondly who was wel learned in all liberall artes specially in the knowledge of Naturall Philosophie and Phisick which two artes were at that tyme specially had in price amonge the Aegyptians as it appeareth in the Scripture Actes the 7. chap. and 22. verse And to conclude forasmuch as those that were the chiefest Philosophers amonge the Grecians traueyled into Aegypt to the intent to learne Naturall Philosophie as histories doe rport of Plato and Pithageras And most certeine it is as Diogenes Laertius writeth in hys first booke de vitis Philosophorum of the lyues of the Philosophers that all that parte of Philosophie whiche intreateth of the nature of thinges was deriued to the Grecians froÌ„ strange nations and from the Syrians that is to saie from the Jewes Shal we say theÌ„ against the assured faith of the scripture that any one of the cheifest Philosophers to wit Plato or Aristotle whiche were heathen men were called by GOD to counsell when hee went to framinge and creatinge of the worlde that they shoulde knowe more than Moses the seruaunt of GOD whom God himselfe taught and shewed vnto him such things as hee should commit to writinge to the behoofe of Posteritie and especially for the instruction of his moste deerely beeloued Church Surely this cannot bee thaught muchlesse spoken without notorious blasphemie against God himselfe But rather as S. Augustine teacheth in his 5. booke and third Chapter de Genesiad Literam of Genesis vpoÌ„ the letter that in that Moses speaketh so plainly hee doth it by the assured counsell and iudgemente of the holy Ghost to the intent that by the hight of the thynges hee maye terrifie the proude by the deapth hee may hold them attentiue by the trueth hee may feede the great ones and by hys affabilitie hee maye nourishe the little ones The fourth Chapter The difference beetween Christian and heathen Naturall Philosophie S. WHat differeÌ„ce therfore is ther betwen Moses Aristotle y is to say betweene ChristiaÌ„ and Heathen Natural Philosophers in thys kinde of learninge M. Uery great which notwithstanding maye bee especially perceiued in three poyntes S. Which bee they M. The firste is in the ende of this knowledge whiche thei bothe doe respecte and followe S. Declare thesame M. The Christian Naturall Philosophers whiche intreate of the thinges that are created dooe referre the summe of their disputatioÌ„ to this ende that our greate and good God who is the auctour Father and creatour of them all maie bee knowne praised and extolled and finally woorshipped the more ardently and more feared But
distributing of euery part into it owne conuenient place Othersome there bee that doe attribute more vnto god For they holde opinion that the matter was a great mole from eternitie mary but matter onely and not that althinges were encluded and comprehended within it whiche the firste sorte doe also holde but that it was rude and vnshapen Which matter for that it was great GOD taking it in hande diuided it into smale peaces and as hee is a moste wise and cunninge woorkeman facioned it into sundrye fourmes And so endued euerye parte thereof with hys owne proper fourme which wee see them nowe rertaine Euen so out of one and the selfesame barre of yron cut into sundry pieces the Smith frameth forgeth a key an hammer a sawe fetters and many other thinges seruinge to sundrie purposes whereof they tearme God Demiurgus and not the creatour or maker Howbeit the scripture attributeth all this vnto god To wyt both that they bee thinges and also haue the same force power nature and fourme which wee see to bee in them And finally in that they are situate in such place and distinguished in sutch order as wee doe beeholde that they decke foorth this mole in such cumly sorte as in hugenesse beutie we do perceiue they do and in such maner as ther is no man able sufficiently to expresse Wherefore the Scripture saith that God doeth not onely Barah that is to say create And in the Greeke tongue Kâ—â—zin or Poem but also Gascha which is to say woorke And in Greeke also to doe some woorke or Demiurgin and also Iarsar that is to say to bring things into a cumly order which in the Greeke tongue is called â—â—smiâ— and that all things which are in this world which are seene do take their beeginning from God to bee thinges at all and to bee suche maner thinges as they are wee muste so determine moste certeinely with ourselues vnderstande so and confesse the same beeing thereto constrained by the force of truth S. Haue you any proofes to confirme this your opinion by M. Yea truely that especially out of these places of holy scripture Isay the 42. chapter and 5. verse the 43. chapter the 1. and 7. verses the 45. chapter the 12. 18. verses Likewise Iob the 26. chapter and 13. verse the 25. chapter 10. verse wher the onely and felfesame God is termed by so many and diuerse names The xix Chapter Of the ende for which God created and made this worlde S. WHat cause mooued God specially to make this worlde hee himselfe lacking nothing and dwelling in that euerlastinge felicitie vnto which there can bee no encrease of felicitie immortalitie added by meanes of al this gret woorke M. Euen his mere goodnes that is to saye his moste louing good will to communicate the same his felicitie vnto certeine thinges so farre foorth as the nature of those thinges whiche hee created was able to receiue the same Wherefore hee created Angels in heauen and men vpon the earth to the intent hee might make them after a sort companions and partakers of his felicitie beeing hymself most good moste louing moste perfect and also in himselfe and through himself most perfectly and wholy blessed S. How proue you this M. Both by auctoritie and reason And auctoritie is that whiche is cheifly taken out of the Scriptures as the the 36. Psalme the 5. verse Lord thy mercy stretcheth vnto the heauens Psalme 33. the 5. verse The earth is full of the mercy of the lord Psalme 34 the 9. verse See how good the Lord is and in the 103. Psalme the 17. verse The mercie of the Lord indureth from one age vnto another And in the 111. Psalme and 4. verse But specially in the 136. Psalme throughout and in the Psalme 145. and 9. verse The Lorde is good to all and his mercies are ouer all his woorkes And next out of the Fathers For S. Augustine in his 1. booke of Genesis vpon the letter the 8. chapter and also is his Enchiridion the 9. booke sayeth plainly that the only goodnes of God was the cause wherefore God made all these things The same is likewise affirmed by Ireneus in his third boooke the 45. and 46. chapters and also by Fulgentius in his booke de fide ad Petr. the 3. chapt And if you will also commend Heathen writers in this respect you haue Plato in Timeo a most graue auctour among them who beeing led by a naturall light and the testimonie of his owne conscience wrote in this maner whiche Cicero hath expressed is his booke de vniuersitate Let vs thaÌ„ seeke out the cause which mooued hym that made these thinges to beegin a new originall and frame of thinges Hee was good And hee that is good enuieth no man. And therefore some say thus God knew and would haue his felicitie to bee communicated to others For although that the diuine goodnes is and was in God most fully and most perfectly without al these thinges as it appeareth in the 60. Psalme and is also kepte vndefiled Notwithstandyng these things which are created are manifestatiue as they speake in the scholes do declare the excellencie of Gods goodnes that is to saye they shewe that the same goodnes is altogether agreeable vnto god This muche say they S. I haue heard the auctorities declare now the reasons M. Forasmuche as there proceedeth nothyng from vs men neither from the blessed and elect Angels wherby God may be more established in respect of his eternitie or more blessed in respect of his state and condicion as it is written in the 16. Psalme and 2. verse for it is not possible that any thing should bee added vnto hym who of himself is altogether perfect truely ther was no neede that draue him to make these thinges but only this one cause to wit his owne louing good will. Wherefore like as it is writen in the 3. chapter to Titus the 4. verse that the mere goodnes of GOD was the cause of mans saluation so was it also the cause of mans creation And if it were the cause of men doubtlesse it was also the cause of the creation of all other thinges The xx Chapter This world cannot bee called the Sunne of God. S. I Do wel vnderstand so much as you haue hetherto sayd of God who is the efficient cause of thys world not as a woorkeman onely or a discriber or painter or trimmer vp but rather as a creator and a bringer foorth of it out of nothyng Tell mee now this one thing more whether in respect of these causes this world may bee called the Sunne of God M. You renue an old question which S. Augustine plainly discusseth in his Enchiridion the 38. and 39. chapters Truely if we will speake properly and to vnderstandyng this world neither can nor ought bee called the Sun of god First bicause it is not made of the substance of god For they that are properly called
the earth is thus described vnto vs and is called by Moses Tohu and Bohu whereby it appeareth that there was a certein Masse stuffe and matter prepared by GOD for the world that should afterwarde bee made whiche was then firste onely and not prepared from euerlasting Yea it cannot bee denied but that at that tyme there was some confusion euen in heauen when as the heauenly and earthly substances were not as yet distinguished separated one from another whiche at length was brought too passe And that also there was no beutie nor brightnes as yet in heauen neither was there any light shining therein Howbeeit that confusion was greater vpon the earth And therefore in respect thereof it was called Tohu and Bohu The xxii Chapter The matter of Earthly thinges of what sorte it was and how commodiously by God prepared S. TEll mee then I praye you what these wordes Tohu and Bohu doe signifie M. First they signifie some vnformed rude confused thing but yet apt and disposed to admitte and receiue fourme and shape And therefore the scripture vseth this kinde of speache when it will signifie some vnpolished and vndigested thyng as it appeareth in Isay the 34. chapter and 11. verse and the 40. chapter and 17. verse Wherefore such was the shape of the earth at that time as for the most part the Poete Ouid expresseth in these woordes For where was earth was sea and aire so was the earth vnstable The aire all darke the sea likewise to beare a ship vnable No kinde of thing had proper shape but eche confounded other c Moreouer as ther are two chiefe kindes of althings one heauenly the other earthly euen so at the beginninge God created two sortes of matter God I say who knewe well ynough of what and how manifolde natures the thinges should bee that hee would make and did theÌ„ make but preparation for them For heauen was prepared as a perfect and heauenly matter of the heauenly partes of the worlde And the earth of the earthly which earth at that time moiste wet moorishe ouer which the water was spread abroad for this cause as it is writen in the 104. Psalme and 6. verse that there shoulde bee then onely one bodye extant consisting of two elementes And as for heauen Moses tarieth lesse time in the declaration therof what manner a thinge it was at that time for that it was a thing better formed and compounded But in discribinge the state of the earth hee vseth moe woordes For hee calleth that first and material earth Tohu and Bohu that is to say a certeine confused masse such an one as wee must needes imagine it to haue been if a man will in minde take from it that bewtie and order which the Lorde added vnto it afterwarde S. What therefore doeth this worde Tohu signifie in the Scriptures M. That which wee call emptie and desolate to wit that wherefore there is no vse commoditie neither bringeth fruite nor yeldeth profit and to bee shorte that is woorth nothinge Whereby it commeth to passe that this woorde is many tymes translated for Nothing as in Iob the 26. chapter and the 7. verse and in Isay the 24. Chapter the 10. and 40. verses a litle before the ende Wherefore the force and signification of this woorde Tohu excludeth that commoditie whiche at this present wee receiue out of the earth S. But what signifieth Bohu M. The same amonge the Hebrues that wee call vnshapen and vnformed and that is vnshapen from whiche all distinction order apte and conuenient placing of the partes is absent and that which representeth to the beholders nothing but confusion and horrour and yet notwithstanding this wanted not all forme as hauing a name and beeing called the earth And thus is it taken in Isay the 29. Chapter and 21. verse S. You tell mee of a merucilous strainge beginnyng and matter whiche GOD made for the creatyng of the worlde M. And suche maner of thyng it was needefull it should bee bothe that wee might the better thereby vnderstande the mighty power of our great and good God who as S. Paule saieth in the 2. to the Corinthians the 4 chapiter and 5. verse hath brought forthe so wonderfull a beautie and light and coÌ„moditie out of so great confusion and darkenesse of all thinges and also that that thing whiche was first ordeined to bee as it were the matter receiuer and mother of sundrie fourmes ought to bee suche a maner of thing Although I confesse that the earth had it owne proper fourme from the verie first moment of the creation thereof but yet suche an one in respect whereof wee take it for a matter vnto other thinges that might afterward receiue other fourmes And therefore you see how fairely and plainly this matter this earth as it is declared is prepared and disposed to receiue afterward the fourmes of thinges in it ¶ The .xxiii. Chapter Why the deapthes of waters couered this matter and yearth S. WHy so M. Bicause it is saied that at that tyme the deapthes and Pooles of waters were mingled with the same earth S. This encreaseth the horrible shewe of that so greate a confusion M. You saie true but Gods power thereby is the more declared Howbeit this coâ—unixtion of the water and earth togither was verie necessarie vnto this that wee speake of to wit that the earth should bee a good commodious and well prepared matter for all earthly thinges whiche it pleased God should rise out of it S. Expounde your owne woordes more plainly M. It behooued that the seede and matter of all thinges should bee apte to bee fourmed pliant and tractable whiche in the earth could not bee without moisture Wherefore the earth whiche of it owne nature is a drie and hard thing not cleauyng togither and not apt to bee drawne forthe in length or breadth vnlesse it bee made suche and tempered with some moisture that maie mollisie it and binde it togither had water ioyned with it And therefore that huge multitude of waters whiche is called the deapthes was created and comprehended in the same body vnder whiche the earth vnshapen was concluded and laye hid Wherby it appeareth that this whole masse was a greater Chaos more difficult to bee manifested out of whiche notwithstandyng God hath brought forthe so greate beautie order brightnesse comelinesse yea and that moste comely All whiche thinges I would in long discourse prooue too haue been of necessitie in the firste matter yea and that by the auctoritie of the Prophane Philisophers them selues vnlesse the place of scripture did confirme it plainly enough S. How M. Moses saieth and darknesse was vppon the deapthes and the Spirite of God mooued vppon the waters Genesis the first chapter and 2. verse so that wee are enforced to defende twoo poinctes whiche make for my side againste the opinions of all the Philosophers The firste is that the matter of all the woorkes whiche God made afterwarde was
face and foremoste part of the worlde M. Bicause like as our senses specially our eyes and countenance are placed in the face and foremoste part of the man so dooeth the light first rise vnto vs from that part of the worlde Whereby it commeth to passe that al men turne their countenances thither yea the brute beastes also of the fielde who in the mornynges as thei feede in the Medowes doe turne themselues towardes the risyng of the Sunne for light Thus by verie instinct of Nature all thynges doe acknowledge and confesse that this parte of the worlde is as it were the face eyes and fore part of the worlde S. Me thinkes that these thyngs in the worlde are distinguished rather in respect of vs than of Nature M. Truely the worlde is distinguished indeede specially in respecte of vs For in a circle properly and of it self nothyng can bee saied to bee on the right hande nothyng on the left nothyng beefore nothyng beehinde forasmuche as all partes of the circumference in that kinde of figure are equally placed And therefore Arnobius saieth well in his 4. booke The worlde of it owne nature hath neither right hande neither left neither high regions neither lowe neither beefore neither beehinde For whatsoeuer is rouÌ„d hath neither beginning neither ending And therfore when we say this countrie is on the right hande this on the left we speake it not in respecte of the worlde but of the place where wee ourselues are situate and dwelâ—yng This farre Arnobius Whereby it appeareth how foolishe and without grounde that opinion of the auncient Hetruscane Southsaiers is who iudged that lefte hande lightnyng lefte hand birde fliyng lette hande signes of heauen are of nature more fortunate than those whiche appeared in any other parte of the worlde For that whiche is on the lefte hande to mee maie bee on the right hande to you because these differences of place and situation are chaunged by the diuerse respecte and reason of men S. What doth the Scripture also note high and low in the worlde M. Yea plainely S. Where M. In the 11. chapte of Iob the 8. and 9. verses and Exodue the 20. chapter and 4. verse S. Is there then some place of the world high and some lowe M. The whole region of heaueÌ„ is called high and aboue and the earth lowe and beneath S. How proue you that M. Out of the aboue recited places of Iob Exodus whervnto also you may adde if you please the 6. verse of the 10. chapter to the Romaines and Deut. the 5. chapter and 8. verse and almost infinite other like places as Isay the 44. chapter and 23. verse and Prouerbes the 25. chapter and 1. verse S. But tell mee is it so of nature or consisteth it onely in the opinion of men that one parte of the worlde is high and another lowe M. Of nature surely for those thinges that are lyght do naturally tende vpwarde and goe towardes heauen and the thinges that are heauie downwarde and towardes the earth Moreouer if we consider the order of thinges God hath thus appointed that those higher thinges shall woorke vpoon these lower For heauen woorketh vppon these earthly thinges and wee perceiue the influences and effectes thereof diuersely and either it bringeth foorthe or distroyeth manye things vpon the earth as it were with to much rain or drought Wherefore Heauen both by nature of the place and also situation is higher than the earth Howbeit concerning this poinet S. Augustine grauely disputeth in the 83. booke and 29. question For hee demaundeth this question whether in this vniuersalitie and world which is conteined within a circulare fourme sumthing may bee called high and sumthing lowe seeinge all the partes thereof consist in equall situation M. Concerning the circumfereÌ„ce of a circle perhaps this question may bee demaunded which indeed was S. Augustines meaning whether the one part thereof bee high an other lowe for in truth in respect of themselues thei are al of equall situatioÌ„ But touching the thinges themselues which are comprehended within the Circle thys question is cleere and out of doubte For in euery circle the circumfereÌ„ce is the vpper part therof the centre the lower vnto which parte those thinges whiche come neerest of lowest like as those highest that are neerest to the circumference of the circle S. Which is the middle parte of the worlde M. The midest of the worlde may bee doubly considered either in respect of substance or of place Whiche the great Philosopher Plutarche first obserued in his booke of the contrarietie of the Stoikes The midds of the worlde in respect of substance is not some oâ—e certein body but many as y aier water with other that â—â—â—e partly of the nature of heauen and partly of the earth But the midds in respect of place is the earth as it is agreed vpon by those that holde opinion that the compasse and capablenesse of the world is of a round and sphericall figure For as they affirme the earth standeth in stead of a centre in coÌ„parison of the whole world Touching which opinion although they contende against it which dency that there bee any Antipodes or dwellers on the otherside of the earth right against vs as Lactantius and S. Augustine good and allowed auctours haue doone yet is it more true and credible that there are such Antipodes the rather for that there can bee nothing alleaged out of the Scriptures to confyrme the auctoritie of Lactantius and S. Augustine by and also reason plainely prooueth it to bee true to wit the situation of countries and the eleuation of the Poales The. xxxi Chapter The cheif end of the creation of the world is the glory and knowledge of God the creatour S. HEthertoo you haue declared the efficient materiall and formall cause of the world it remaineth also that you say sumwhat of the fourth whiche is the finall cause concernyng whiche I demaunde this question of you what is the finall cause of the creation of the worlde as the scripture noteth M. You did well to adde that clause as the Scripture noteth For there is none among the Philosophers except onely Plato and Trimegistus that although they wounder at the worlde doeth declare notwithstanding for what cause it was made and what is the ende of the creating or now subsisting thereof No not Aristotle himself although hee wroate about 30. sundry bookes more or lesse concerning the nature of thinges which bookes are extant at this day and tossed in all mens handes S. Tell mee therefore what is the ende of the creating and conseruyng of the world M. To speake breifly eeuen the euerlasting and immortall GOD himsef for the acknowledging and setting foorth of whose glorie it was created S. How prooue you that M. Not onely for that Father Ireneus writeth so in his 2 booke and 64. chap. but bicause the spirite of God teacheth vs so For firste the holy Scripture sheweth plainlye that
hee is not called onely the image but also the liuely brightnesse of the Fathers glorye And yet farther to the intent it may bee the better vnderstoode what and how great the difference is wee must note that the world and man are a notable but yet a shadowed representation of those things which they do teach vs cōcerning god And Christ the expresse and liuely fourme in whose inward natural and substanciall brightnesse wee may most euidently behold the infinite power of God and incomprehensible loue towardes vs men Thus therefore when wee thincke vppon God and beholde him in all other thinges suche is our vanitie that immediatly wee decay and come to naught but when wee looke vppon him in Christ wee are quieted and stayed most firmely and substantially Wherefore there ought no comparison bee made betweene these which differ in kinde and manner of representation The xxxiii Chapter Two endes of the worlde not chiefe S. BUT bee ther not also other finall causes of the worlde M. Yeas there bee two but not chiefe S. What bee they M. The first is this to wit the vse of al men For this worlde was created for mans sake and man for god The seconde is for the Church or congregation For the worlde was created to the entent it should bee an house and dwelling place prepared for the Church and congregation that should bee hereafter where in it might remaine of it owne right which congregation God woulde establishe there and afterward bring to heauen S. Howe prooue you this M. First out of the 8. Psalme And secondly by that which S. Paule writeth to the Romanes the 4. Chapter and 13. verse The xxxiiii Chapter Of the meanes and engins whereby God raysed this so great a frame of the worlde and first of the woorde of God which was the meanes whereby this worlde was created S. HEtherto you haue declared the causes of this worlde nowe shewe the meanes and instrumentes wherby it was created And when mention is made of the creation of the woorlde some do demaunde what wedges what tooles and engins were occupied to the rearinge vp of so great a mole and they thinke themselues not satisfied vnlesse aunswere bee made vnto those doubtes of their minde M. Thei that seeke to know with what instruments this worlde was created do verie foolyshly forasmuch as this woorde create doth sufficiently declare that all this whole woorke is plainly miraculous and supernaturall For God vsed no tooles nor engins as carpenters vse to doe thereby to supplie the infirmitie of their strength But all his framing and buildinge and the woorkemanship of thys worlde doeth differ farre from all our meanes and pollices S. Tell mee then what it was M. In declaringe the meanes by which this world was created ther are foure things annexed which we must not pretermit and they perteine to the settinge foorth of Gods glory and omnipotencie wherof the fyrst is this that the worlde was created at the woorde and commaundement of God. S. Howe prooue you that M. Behold a most manifest place of the Scripture in the 33. Psalme 9. verse For hee spake and it was doone hee commaunded and it stoode fast and in the 148. Psalme and 5. verse Hee commaunded and they were created Moreouer Moses in the first chapter of Genesis beefore the creation of euery thing as they were made and created orderly in euery daye so doeth hee plainely shewe that the woord and cōmaundement of God went alwayes before And the Lorde sayde let it bee made c. Yea the Stoikes haue saide that the woorde of God was the efficient cause of the whole nature of thinges as Laertius writeth in his 7. booke in the life of Zeno. S. But there bee twoo impedementes that it can not bee so M. Which bee they S. The fyrst is that which is written in the 45. Chapter and 12. verse of Isay My handes haue stretched foorth the heauens Ergo God made not these things with his woord but with his handes M. Uerily this saiyng conteineth a most manifest Metaphore when hee attributeth handes vnto God and when in respect of the weakenesse of our vnderstanding God is cōpared to an handie craftes man which woorketh with his owne hāds the like wherof there are many authorities to be foūde in y scriptures And whereas this woorde of creating is vsed in the same place it plainly calleth vs backe vnto that diuine and extraordinarie woorke of God and to thinke vppon that meane onely which Moses hath recited M. The seconde impediment is that wheras in another place in like kind of thinges and semblable argument mention is made of the woorde of God notwithstanding Gods secret will is ment thereby whiche is not expressed in any woord or commaundemēt as in the 147. Psalme 15. and 18. verses where he speaketh of Ice Hee sendeth out his woorde and melteth it M. You say well Howbeit in Genesis the verye text also Moses minde teatheth vs that wee must say and thinke otherwise where it is plainly writen that God spake and cōmaunded that to bee which was made Wherfore the only bare and secrete will of God is not there to bee vnderstood and taken but that which is reuealed by the prolation and vtteringe of some woorde of his and commaundement Which opinion of mine is confirmed by an interpretation which the Scripture it self maketh noting that this was doone by vttering of some woorde or voyce For in the 33. Psalme and 6. verse after that it is declared that these things were made by the woorde of God for true exposition sake it is added by the spirite of his mouth For a voice is made by the breathing foorth of aire which is doone by the mouth S. But by this meanes feigning that God hath a tōgue roofe of the mouth and teeth with out whiche instruments no voyce can bee vttered you seeme to reuoke againe out of Hell the abominable errour of the Antropomorphites M. God forbid that I should thinke so wickedly of the infinite and omnipotent maiestie of god But like as the Lorde spake so as he might bee heard and vnderstoode when hee gaue the law in mount Sinai which no man can deney as likewise when hee spake to Moses whē he gaue answere by Vrim Thumim y Lord spake vttered a voice in the hearing of the people yet not withstāding we must not feigne y god hath a tongue a mouth a palate of the mouth teeth So in the beginning creation of the world when it is sayd that God spake his diuine shape was not chaunged intoo an humane fourme but it came to passe by a speciall prouidence and pollicie For the Lord tooke vpon him for a tyme suche meanes as were necessarie for the bringing foorth a cleare and audible voice wherof afterward hee left the vse S Doe you thinke then that the Lord spake plainly and distinctly M. Yea verely Howbeeit I am not ignorant what S. Augustine thinketh
and small were first created to the ende that the force of things might bee preserued in a certaine temperament by these contraries This is written in Ecclesiasticus the 42. chapter and 25. verse and the 33. Chapter 15. verse Whiche also S. Augustine in his 2. booke de Ciuitate Dei and 18 chapter and Irenaeus in his 2. booke and 43. chapter doe followe M. It is true whiche you say For God made not althinges at the firste of one qualitie colour and greatnes neither of one kind and nature But hee made some high some lowe some moyst some drie some warme some cold the day to bee one thing and the night another Yet God made nothing that was eeuill But why hee created them in suche varietie this is the cause both for that the power and wisedome of God is thereby more apparant and also the thinges themselues by this repugnancie of contrarie vertues and natures and mitigacion of them may bee the more easely preserued For what maner state of thinges would there haue bin if all thinges had bin hoat what numnesse if all thinges had bin cold what miserie if all wayes there had bin darknes what wearisomnesse if it had alwaies bin daye And therefore when God had created the natures of this worlde and of the thinges conteined therein hee thought it conuenient to refresh and ease them with change and course because they were bodies or apperteinyng to bodies and likewise to nourishe them with a certein mutuall knot and temperament bicause they were diuerse partes of one whole thyng hee ingraffed also contrarie qualities in them that the one should bee a let bridle and temperament to the other And to bee short to the intent there should bee chaunge and alteration in these thinges that there might bee some differēce plainly perceiued beetweene the essence of them and of the angels also of God hymself who needeth no sutch meanes for his preseruation Euen so likewise a well gouerned citie consisteth of sundry orders and of diuerse fortes of men ritche poore faire foule Subiectes Magistrates young olde Husbandmen Souldiours who are of diuerse states and vnlike callinges and many tymes also of contrarie Notwithstanding they bee necessarie for the preseruation of the mutuall safetie of the whole citie wherby it beecummeth the more beautifull the more plentifull and conuenient for the vse of this life And therfore I will confirme this opinion with the moste excellent testimonie of Tertullian who in the 45. chapter of his Apologeticum writeth thus which reason made the vniuersalitie out of diuersitie that all thinges might appeare togither from many substances into an vnitie out of voyd and sound out of liuyng and vnliuyng out of comprehensible and incomprehensible out of light and darknes and out of life and death Neither doe wee notwithstanding fauour the errour of the Manichees who hold opinion that at the beeginning there were twoo Giauntes whiche afflicted mutually one another one of the light and another of darknes There is one and the same and onely God who made all thinges and moste wisely instituted this contrarietie for the preseruation of the whole woorke S. But this varietie of things seemeth to bring in great discord when it had bin more meete that this worlde beeing as it were a certein whole thing should haue bin builded and compacted of partes freindly and louingly agreeing one with another Which thing this contrarietie among creatures doth seeme very mutch to withstande M. You gather not well For this dissimulitude amonge thinges and varietie of contrarie qualities and properties bringeth in no discorde but rather causeth great concorde and agreement Like as in mans bodie the diuersitie of the partes members and theyr force action moouinge place and office which many times are contrarie declareth that there is greate agreement amonge the members and is also necessarie for the life gouerment and defence of the whole body The like truely is to bee seene in the world for it is one bodie and conteined within one compasse And why the discorde of thinges so muth disagreeing is so friendly and agreeinge and so consenting vnto it selfe and also firme and durable the great and incomprehēsible wisedom of almighty God is the cause who hath contempered all those thinges excellently one with another as they ought to bee and hath made them of apt and conuenient weight number and measure both in respect of themselues and in comparison also of other thinges as it is written in the booke of Wisdom the 11. chapter and 21. verse ▪ and S. Augustine afterwarde also declareth the same in his 4. booke de Genesi ad Literam But what weight number and measure this is or what is the proportiō of their mingling togither by reason of whiche this world is so agreeing and meete one parte with another and of all among themselues although the Philosophers haue by disputation curiously vexed themselues herein and yet neither founde it out neither declared it God knoweth and hee himselfe onely The. xlv Chapter In what sense it is sayd that God rested after the creation of the world S. THere remaineth yet one thing whiche I would demaund M. What is that S. Whether GOD haue ceassed altogither to create any thing since the time y hee made an ende of the world seeing hee seemeth dayly to create mens soules out of nothing and hee yet woorketh still as Christe teacheth vs in the 5. chapter and 17. verse of S. Iohn M. An easie matter to aunswere For God is saide to ceasse onely in respect of this worlde and the woorke which then hee had vndertaken to doe that is to say in comparison of an other as S. Augustine answereth in his 4. booke de Genesi ad Literam And not altogether absolutely as although God neither gouerned nowe this world which he made neither were able to make any new thing more seeing there is nothyng made or doone now but by his woorking Whose most louing tender prouidence hath alwaies gouerned doeth now gouerne whatsoeuer he hath created Whose infinite power woorketh euery thing in euery thing as S. Paule writeth to the Ephesians the 1. chapter and 23. verse Finally whose strength and vertue are neither impaired by weakenes through processe of time wherby they are lesse able euery day to create many things neither are they beecome slacker or slower in woorkinge Therefore the Lorde yet euery daye createth many newe thinges to wit the soules of men Howbeeit all that his purposed woorke and the fulnesse and bewtie of this worlde hee made moste perfectly and finished most absolutely in euery poinct part in the space of those sixe dayes rested the seauenth day God sanctified sayth S. Augustine no day of hys woorke but onely the day of his rest that it might bee vnderstoode that God is more blessed than his woorkes For hee was delighted with none of his woorkes so much as with himselfe So hee sanctified the daye of his rest and