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many_o bring_v it_o come_v from_o the_o spirit_n of_o satan_n and_o a_o mind_n distract_v yea_o the_o pope_n 1._o pope_n l._n adversus_fw-la papatum_fw-la romae_fw-la à _fw-la satana_n fundatum_fw-la f._n 1._o know_v say_v luther_n that_o by_o the_o singular_a gift_n and_o bounty_n of_o god_n i_o be_o more_o learned_a in_o the_o scripture_n than_o himself_o and_o all_o his_o ass_n but_o if_o luther_n himself_o do_v so_o full_o mouth_n his_o own_o praise_n and_o desert_n we_o may_v presume_v his_o disciple_n and_o follower_n be_v not_o spare_v in_o the_o like_a and_o so_o indeed_o write_v alberus_n 7._o alberus_n contra_fw-la carolostadianos_fw-la l._n 7._o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o that_o if_o austin_n be_v now_o live_v he_o will_v not_o be_v ashamed_a to_o profess_v himself_o martin_n luther_n scholar_n but_o musculus_fw-la lash_v far_a further_o for_o tyramide_n for_o praef._n in_o libellum_fw-la ger._n de_fw-fr diaboli_fw-la tyramide_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n say_v he_o there_o live_v not_o in_o the_o world_n a_o great_a than_o luther_n and_o it_o may_v be_v say_v that_o god_n pour_v all_o his_o gift_n upon_o this_o only_a man_n and_o that_o there_o be_v as_o great_a difference_n betwixt_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n and_o luther_n as_o betwixt_o the_o light_n of_o the_o sun_n and_o of_o the_o moon_n neither_o be_v it_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o the_o ancient_a father_n even_o those_o that_o be_v chief_a and_o best_a among_o they_o as_o hilary_n and_o austin_n if_o they_o have_v live_v and_o teach_v in_o the_o same_o time_n with_o luther_n will_v without_o blush_a have_v carry_v the_o lantern_n before_o he_o as_o his_o scholar_n or_o minister_n and_o another_o profess_v that_o 346._o that_o in_o hos_n in_o hist_o sacra_fw-la part_n alt_z f._n 346._o he_o prefer_v one_o leaf_n in_o luther_n before_o the_o writing_n of_o all_o father_n so_o that_o if_o we_o believe_v either_o luther_n or_o his_o scholar_n not_o only_a austin_n and_o hilary_n and_o ambrose_n but_o even_o all_o the_o father_n since_o the_o apostle_n time_n must_v give_v place_n to_o luther_n in_o regard_n of_o his_o profound_a knowledge_n and_o learning_n but_o not_o only_a luther_n himself_o thus_o far_o excel_v the_o ancient_a father_n but_o in_o his_o opinion_n the_o only_o eccl._n only_o in_o col._n mensa_fw-la c._n de_fw-fr patribus_fw-la eccl._n apology_n of_o philip_n melancthon_n do_v far_o excel_v all_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o exceed_v even_o austin_n himself_o beza_n in_o like_a sort_n affirm_v condiensi_fw-la affirm_v praef._n in_o nowm_fw-la testament_n dicat_fw-la principi_fw-la condiensi_fw-la caluin_n to_o have_v far_o exceed_v all_o the_o ancient_a and_o late_a writer_n in_o interpret_n of_o the_o scripture_n with_o variety_n of_o word_n and_o allegation_n of_o reason_n yea_o say_v he_o 5._o he_o epist_n theol._n ep_v 1_o p._n 5._o i_o have_v be_v accustom_v to_o say_v and_o not_o without_o cause_n as_o i_o take_v it_o that_o whilst_o i_o 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time_n yea_o in_o the_o truth_n of_o doctrine_n our_o bishop_n be_v not_o only_o comparable_a with_o the_o old_a bishop_n but_o in_o many_o degree_n to_o be_v prefer_v before_o they_o in_o like_a sort_n say_v zanchius_n 411._o zanchius_n de_fw-fr sacra_fw-la scriptura_fw-la p._n 411._o christ_n have_v now_o give_v to_o we_o more_o excellent_a interpreter_n than_o ever_o heretofore_o stnce_v the_o apostle_n yea_o say_v m._n jacob_n 20._o jacob_n defence_n of_o treatise_n of_o christ_n suffering_n p._n 146._o and_o see_v the_o answ_n to_o downham_n sermon_n p._n 20._o this_o be_v the_o profit_n that_o come_v by_o ordinary_a flaunt_v with_o the_o father_n etc._n etc._n if_o in_o this_o case_n we_o be_v to_o look_v after_o any_o man_n sure_o we_o have_v more_o cause_n to_o regard_v our_o late_a faithful_a teacher_n rather_o than_o those_o of_o old_a who_o be_v equal_a with_o the_o best_a of_o they_o in_o any_o of_o the_o excellent_a grace_n of_o god_n spirit_n etc._n etc._n by_o which_o 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not_o beza_n affirm_v that_o ndiens_n that_o praef._n in_o nowm_fw-la testam_fw-la ad_fw-la princ._n c_o ndiens_n even_o in_o the_o best_a time_n the_o ambition_n ignorance_n and_o lewdness_n of_o bishop_n be_v such_o that_o the_o very_a blind_a may_v easy_o perceive_v how_o that_o satan_n be_v precedent_n in_o their_o assembly_n or_o counsel_n do_v not_o d._n humphrey_n disclaim_v from_o the_o counsel_n celebrate_v in_o the_o first_o 600._o year_n say_v 212._o say_v de_fw-fr vita_fw-la juelli_fw-la p._n 212._o what_o concern_v it_o we_o what_o the_o false_a synod_n of_o bishop_n as_o then_o shall_v ordain_v and_o do_v not_o m._n carthwright_n reject_v as_o erroneous_a even_o the_o first_o nycene_n council_n say_v 509._o say_v 2._o reply_v part_n 1._o p._n 509._o we_o have_v good_a cause_n to_o hold_v for_o suspect_v whatsoever_o either_o in_o government_n or_o doctrine_n those_o time_n leave_v unto_o we_o not_o confirm_v by_o substantial_a proof_n out_o of_o the_o word_n etc._n etc._n this_o appear_v in_o the_o first_o council_n of_o nyce_n where_o the_o most_o error_n decree_v upon_o etc._n etc._n beside_o the_o ungodlie_a custom_n which_o may_v appear_v to_o have_v occupy_v almost_o all_o the_o church_n touch_v the_o forbid_v of_o the_o second_o marriage_n of_o minister_n before_o that_o council_n and_o again_o 484._o again_o ibid._n p._n 484._o in_o the_o same_o council_n appear_v that_o to_o those_o choose_v to_o the_o ministry_n unmarried_a it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o take_v any_o wife_n afterward_o etc._n etc._n paphnutius_fw-la show_v that_o not_o only_o this_o be_v before_o that_o council_n but_o be_v a_o ancient_a tradition_n in_o the_o church_n in_o which_o both_o himself_n and_o the_o whole_a council_n rest_v etc._n etc._n if_o the_o ancient_a tradition_n of_o the_o church_n say_v cartwright_n can_v authorise_v this_o neither_o can_v ancient_a custom_n authorise_v the_o other_o to_o wit_n of_o metropolitan_n luther_n