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hinder_v they_o from_o be_v very_o natural_a appear_v to_o be_v so_o even_o to_o the_o light_n of_o common_a sense_n it_o be_v most_o natural_a for_o a_o man_n that_o believe_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n cease_v to_o be_v to_o think_v on_o the_o accident_n which_o remain_v it_o be_v very_o natural_a for_o he_o that_o believe_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o his_o blood_n to_o be_v substantial_o therein_o to_o imagine_v that_o where_o the_o body_n or_o flesh_n be_v there_o must_v the_o blood_n be_v also_o which_o be_v call_v in_o one_o word_n the_o concomitancy_n it_o be_v most_o natural_a for_o he_o that_o believe_v that_o it_o be_v not_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n that_o nourish_v to_o consider_v what_o shall_v cause_v this_o nourishment_n it_o be_v very_o natural_a for_o a_o man_n that_o believe_v the_o body_n of_o our_o lord_n to_o be_v a_o real_a humane_a body_n to_o inquire_v how_o this_o body_n can_v be_v strip_v of_o the_o propriety_n of_o its_o nature_n it_o be_v natural_a when_o we_o see_v worm_n which_o engender_v in_o the_o eucharist_n to_o inquire_v whence_o they_o take_v their_o matter_n it_o be_v likewise_o certain_a that_o philosophy_n be_v not_o proper_o any_o more_o concern_v in_o these_o consequence_n than_o bare_o to_o defend_v they_o and_o not_o to_o illustrate_v they_o and_o yet_o when_o they_o shall_v not_o appear_v in_o themselves_o to_o the_o eye_n of_o the_o greek_n and_o we_o suppose_v the_o whole_a body_n of_o this_o church_n to_o be_v in_o such_o a_o prodigious_a stupidity_n that_o for_o so_o many_o age_n since_o they_o have_v discover_v nothing_o of_o themselves_o touch_v these_o thing_n which_o will_v be_v in_o my_o mind_n one_o of_o the_o bold_a supposition_n imaginable_a yet_o it_o must_v be_v acknowledge_v they_o have_v see_v they_o in_o the_o doctrine_n and_o common_a belief_n of_o the_o latin_n who_o have_v fill_v their_o religion_n with_o they_o since_o beringarius_n his_o time_n neither_o be_v it_o true_a that_o it_o be_v man_n disputation_n which_o occasion_v all_o these_o question_n on_o the_o subject_a of_o the_o eucharist_n or_o discover_v these_o consequence_n we_o speak_v of_o mr._n arnaud_n will_v fain_o persuade_v we_o to_o it_o but_o we_o know_v the_o contrary_a and_o that_o it_o be_v the_o very_a doctrine_n itself_o of_o transubstantiation_n which_o have_v produce_v they_o for_o they_o take_v their_o birth_n from_o what_o our_o eye_n see_v and_o hand_n touch_v and_o experience_n which_o can_v but_o be_v acknowledge_v in_o effect_n they_o be_v to_o be_v find_v more_o among_o the_o schoolman_n than_o controvertist_n more_o among_o author_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n than_o protestant_n there_o be_v so_o great_a absurdity_n in_o say_v the_o greek_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o consequence_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n suppose_v they_o believe_v it_o that_o mr._n arnaud_n seem_v to_o be_v ashamed_a to_o maintain_v it_o to_o the_o end_n 62._o ibid._n pag._n 62._o he_o turn_v himself_o on_o another_o side_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v the_o docility_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o greek_n which_o will_v not_o permit_v they_o to_o behold_v these_o difficulty_n but_o this_o be_v very_o absurd_o answer_v again_o for_o be_v it_o thus_o the_o greek_n themselves_o will_v at_o least_o tell_v we_o something_o of_o it_o i_o mean_v they_o will_v tell_v we_o themselves_o in_o some_o sort_n that_o they_o know_v well_o all_o these_o consequence_n and_o be_v not_o so_o stupid_a but_o that_o they_o see_v such_o and_o such_o question_n which_o arise_v from_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o substance_n but_o that_o they_o behold_v they_o as_o a_o abyss_n which_o can_v be_v fathom_v or_o to_o use_v mr._n arnaud_n eloquent_a expression_n that_o they_o stifle_v and_o ibid._n ibid._n drown_v all_o humane_a thought_n in_o the_o absolute_a certainty_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o infallible_a authority_n of_o his_o church_n they_o will_v give_v some_o reason_n for_o their_o silence_n and_o endeavour_v to_o hinder_v its_o be_v interpret_v in_o a_o ill_a sense_n they_o will_v instruct_v their_o people_n in_o the_o same_o modesty_n and_o docility_n and_o observe_v that_o their_o conduct_n in_o this_o particular_a be_v more_o discreet_a than_o that_o of_o the_o latin_n and_o this_o be_v what_o the_o greek_n will_v do_v do_v they_o believe_v transubstantiation_n after_o this_o gentle_a and_o quiet_a manner_n mr._n arnaud_n attribute_n to_o they_o yet_o do_v they_o not_o so_o much_o as_o mention_v these_o consequence_n or_o difficulty_n they_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o their_o own_o silence_n in_o this_o respect_n but_o mr._n arnaud_n speak_v for_o they_o without_o any_o call_n or_o order_n from_o they_o he_o tell_v we_o his_o conception_n and_o those_o of_o ernulphus_n a_o english_a bishop_n of_o the_o twelve_o century_n but_o not_o a_o word_n of_o the_o greek_n the_o greek_n be_v in_o such_o a_o absolute_a silence_n on_o this_o subject_a that_o this_o silence_n can_v come_v from_o any_o other_o cause_n than_o the_o nature_n of_o their_o doctrine_n which_o not_o have_v the_o consequence_n of_o transubstantiation_n do_v no_o way_n oblige_v they_o to_o take_v notice_n of_o these_o same_o consequence_n and_o thus_o far_o i_o think_v my_o argument_n may_v pass_v for_o good_a in_o the_o opinion_n of_o those_o people_n that_o understand_v reason_n yet_o mr._n arnaud_n will_v have_v this_o to_o be_v 59_o ibid._n pag._n 59_o mere_a folly_n and_o extravagancy_n and_o to_o show_v it_o to_o be_v so_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o reason_n itself_o show_v we_o we_o must_v not_o disow_v certain_a and_o undoubted_a truth_n under_o pretence_n they_o appear_v contrary_a among_o themselves_o on_o weak_a conjecture_n but_o the_o certainty_n of_o these_o truth_n shall_v make_v we_o conclude_v touch_v the_o falsity_n of_o these_o reason_n and_o pretend_a contrariety_n it_o be_v add_v he_o as_o certain_a a_o truth_n as_o any_o thing_n of_o this_o kind_n can_v be_v that_o the_o greek_n and_o other_o eastern_a church_n do_v believe_v the_o real_a presence_n and_o transubstantiation_n and_o there_o be_v nothing_o but_o may_v be_v call_v in_o question_n upon_o the_o same_o ground_n if_o we_o may_v doubt_v of_o the_o consent_n of_o all_o the_o church_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o this_o doctrine_n this_o be_v another_o truth_n that_o the_o greek_n take_v little_a notice_n of_o the_o philosophicl_n consequence_n whence_o he_o conclude_v that_o these_o two_o truth_n be_v equal_o certain_a they_o can_v be_v contrary_a and_o that_o they_o show_v we_o the_o falsity_n of_o mr._n claude_n consequence_n it_o must_v be_v acknowledge_v that_o never_o man_n have_v less_o trouble_n to_o answer_v a_o adversary_n than_o mr._n arnaud_n i_o prove_v to_o he_o the_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v transubstantiation_n because_o they_o make_v no_o mention_n of_o its_o consequence_n nor_o difficulty_n he_o deny_v my_o consequence_n because_o the_o greek_n do_v believe_v transubstantiation_n and_o that_o two_o truth_n can_v be_v contradictory_n it_o cost_v little_a to_o make_v such_o kind_n of_o answer_n and_o it_o cost_v no_o more_o to_o tell_v he_o that_o if_o it_o be_v a_o certain_a truth_n as_o he_o affirm_v it_o be_v that_o the_o greek_n believe_v the_o conversion_n of_o substance_n he_o will_v have_v no_o need_n to_o trouble_v himself_o to_o answer_v my_o argument_n for_o the_o question_n be_v decide_v there_o will_v be_v nothing_o remain_v upon_o this_o account_n betwixt_o we_o i_o believe_v i_o establish_v the_o negative_a which_o i_o defend_v a_o thousand_o time_n more_o solid_o than_o he_o have_v prove_v his_o affirmative_a but_o if_o i_o pretend_v to_o elude_v his_o argument_n by_o say_v i_o deny_v the_o consequence_n because_o the_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v transubstantiation_n i_o shall_v be_v a_o impertinent_a disputer_n it_o seem_v to_o i_o i_o shall_v
he_o and_o so_o much_o the_o more_o because_o mr._n arnaud_n acknowledge_v this_o cardinal_n be_v very_o hot_a in_o this_o dispute_n and_o on_o the_o other_o it_o be_v very_o uncertain_a whether_o the_o greek_n go_v so_o far_o as_o this_o consequence_n beside_o this_o i_o say_v the_o consequence_n itself_o be_v neither_o demonstrative_a nor_o unavoidable_a for_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v from_o a_o man_n deny_v the_o eucharist_n be_v digest_v and_o break_v once_o fast_o that_o he_o acknowledge_v no_o other_o substance_n than_o that_o of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n he_o may_v believe_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n become_v incorruptible_a as_o soon_o as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o stomach_n and_o that_o it_o pass_v immediate_o without_o digestion_n into_o our_o substance_n according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o damascen_n zonaras_n and_o almost_o all_o the_o eastern_a church_n as_o we_o shall_v see_v hereafter_o for_o in_o humbert_n sense_n all_o food_n that_o break_v our_o fast_a be_v digest_v and_o pass_v into_o excrement_n as_o the_o common_a nourishment_n do_v whence_o i_o conclude_v that_o mr._n arnaud_n deceive_v we_o when_o he_o say_v this_o dispute_n do_v invincible_o prove_v the_o roman_a church_n then_o believe_v transubstantiation_n and_o that_o her_o belief_n be_v sufficient_o make_v know_v to_o the_o greek_n for_o neither_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o of_o these_o do_v hence_o necessary_o follow_v neither_o can_v it_o be_v thence_o conclude_v she_o believe_v the_o real_a presence_n i_o mean_v this_o local_a and_o physical_a presence_n of_o the_o proper_a substance_n of_o the_o natural_a body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n as_o she_o do_v believe_v it_o at_o this_o day_n nor_o that_o humbert_n think_v the_o greek_n believe_v it_o and_o this_o mr._n arnaud'_v last_o consequence_n be_v moreover_o find_v defective_a although_o this_o be_v not_o the_o point_n in_o question_n betwixt_o we_o for_o suppose_v the_o bread_n remain_v bread_n become_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n by_o way_n of_o augmentation_n of_o this_o body_n be_v unite_v to_o the_o divinity_n and_o receive_v by_o the_o holy_a spirit_n the_o impression_n of_o the_o inlve_a virtue_n which_o be_v jesus_n christ_n according_a to_o the_o sentiment_n of_o the_o greek_n humbert_n may_v without_o be_v think_v senseless_a or_o extravagant_a tell_v nicetas_n that_o in_o teach_v the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_n he_o expose_v the_o body_n of_o jesus_n christ_n to_o the_o condition_n of_o common_a food_n for_o although_o on_o this_o hypothesis_n the_o bread_n be_v not_o the_o body_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n in_o propriety_n of_o substance_n yet_o be_v it_o his_o body_n in_o such_o a_o manner_n that_o seem_v to_o exempt_v it_o from_o the_o quality_n of_o other_o food_n which_o be_v sufficient_a to_o occasion_n humbert_n reproach_n and_o render_v ineffectual_a all_o these_o little_a subtlety_n of_o mr._n arnaud_n i_o reply_v in_o my_o answer_n to_o the_o perpetuity_n that_o this_o dispute_n of_o humbert_n treatise_n answer_v to_o the_o second_o treatise_n and_o nicetas_n furnish_v we_o wherewith_o to_o show_v that_o the_o greek_n do_v not_o believe_v the_o transubstantiation_n of_o the_o latin_n forasmuch_o as_o nicetas_n maintain_v therein_o that_o the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_a which_o suppose_v it_o conserves_n its_o first_o nature_n of_o corporeal_a aliment_n and_o that_o he_o believe_v it_o descend_v into_o the_o stomach_n like_o other_o food_n which_o moreover_o show_v he_o hold_v it_o still_o for_o real_a bread_n i_o strengthen_v this_o proposition_n by_o the_o testimony_n of_o humbert_n algerus_n and_o cellot_n the_o jesuit_n i_o add_v likewise_o that_o durand_n abbot_n of_o troarn_v tell_v we_o that_o those_o heretofore_o call_v stercoranists_n be_v the_o berengarian_o which_o be_v to_o say_v those_o hold_v the_o bread_n keep_v its_o first_o nature_n and_o i_o confirm_v my_o proof_n by_o several_a weighty_a consideration_n as_o that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v imagine_v man_n that_o be_v christian_n will_v expose_v the_o proper_a substance_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n to_o these_o accident_n of_o corporeal_a food_n that_o this_o opinion_n will_v be_v inconsistent_a with_o that_o state_n of_o glory_n wherein_o we_o all_o believe_v it_o to_o be_v as_o also_o with_o that_o sacramental_a state_n wherein_o it_o be_v make_v to_o be_v in_o the_o eucharist_n mr._n arnaud_n find_v he_o can_v not_o establish_v his_o own_o proof_n apply_v himself_o to_o the_o refute_v of_o i_o and_o immediate_o make_v use_n of_o his_o privilege_n he_o single_v out_o what_o he_o please_v and_o leave_v the_o rest_n he_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o cellot_n the_o jesuit_n testimony_n for_o what_o reason_n he_o best_a know_v he_o pass_v over_o in_o silence_n what_o i_o say_v touch_v the_o state_n of_o glory_n wherein_o the_o son_n of_o god_n now_o be_v and_o so_o likewise_o what_o i_o mention_v concern_v his_o sacramental_a state_n and_o from_o the_o remain_a part_n of_o my_o proof_n he_o be_v please_v to_o make_v this_o argument_n the_o greek_n be_v stercoranists_n according_a to_o humbert_n and_o algerus_n the_o stercoranist_n be_v berengarian_n according_a to_o durand_n the_o greek_n 153._o lib._n 2._o cap._n 6._o pag._n 153._o than_o be_v berengarian_n but_o see_v my_o proof_n be_v to_o be_v model_v i_o crave_v leave_n to_o take_v it_o out_o of_o his_o hand_n and_o state_n it_o myself_o observe_v here_o then_o how_o i_o reason_v those_o that_o believe_v the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_a and_o give_v cause_n to_o charge_v they_o with_o stercoranism_n hold_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n remain_v but_o the_o greek_n believe_v the_o eucharist_n break_v our_o fast_a and_o yield_v occasion_n to_o accuse_v they_o of_o stercoranism_n they_o hold_v then_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n remain_v and_o thus_o do_v i_o reason_n but_o by_o misfortune_n mr._n arnaud_n can_v neither_o deny_v the_o major_a minor_a nor_o conclusion_n of_o this_o argument_n he_o be_v constrain_v therefore_o to_o new_a mould_n it_o and_o then_o know_v not_o how_o to_o give_v it_o a_o direct_a answer_n it_o be_v true_a say_v he_o that_o humbert_n charge_v nicetas_n with_o believe_v the_o body_n ibid._n ibid._n of_o christ_n be_v digest_v but_o this_o be_v only_o as_o a_o consequence_n of_o what_o he_o offer_v touch_v the_o eucharist_n '_o be_v break_v our_o fast_a and_o not_o as_o a_o doctrine_n which_o he_o express_o assert_v it_o be_v all_o one_o to_o i_o whether_o he_o attribute_n to_o he_o this_o opinion_n either_o as_o a_o doctrine_n or_o a_o consequence_n either_o of_o they_o be_v sufficient_a to_o establish_v the_o solidity_n of_o my_o proof_n mr._n arnaud_n may_v dispute_v this_o point_n with_o cellot_n or_o algerus_n it_o not_o lie_v upon_o i_o to_o prove_v it_o when_o it_o shall_v be_v true_a this_o consequence_n be_v not_o well_o draw_v from_o the_o principle_n which_o nicetas_n lay_v down_o from_o the_o part_n of_o the_o 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