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A86599 An antidote against Hen. Haggar's poysonous pamphlet, entitled, The foundation of the font discovered: or, A reply wherein his audaciousness in perverting holy scriptures and humane writings is discovered, his sophistry in arguing against infant-baptism, discipleship, church membership &c. is detected, his contradictions demonstrated; his cavils agains M. Cook, M. Baxter, and M. Hall answered, his raylings rebuked, and his folly manifested. By Aylmar Houghton minister of the gospel of Jesus Christ, and teacher to the congregation of Prees, in the county of Salop. Houghton, Aylmer. 1658 (1658) Wing H2917; Thomason E961_1; ESTC R207689 240,876 351

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in_o scripture_n for_o do_v you_o not_o put_v man_n to_o believe_v that_o infant_n be_v neither_o disciple_n nor_o church-member_n nor_o in_o covenant_n etc._n etc._n that_o they_o die_v in_o their_o infancy_n be_v save_v by_o christ_n death_n without_o actual_a faith_n pag._n 61._o and_o have_v you_o not_o right_o prove_v pray_v in_o a_o man_n family_n give_v thanks_o at_o meal_n woman_n receive_n the_o lord_n supper_n etc._n etc._n to_o be_v duty_n yet_o none_o of_o the_o foresay_a particular_n be_v express_o write_v in_o scripture_n and_o will_v you_o have_v they_o do_v but_o not_o in_o faith_n sect_n 53._o h._n h._n herein_o lie_v the_o depth_n of_o all_o deceit_n viz._n because_o christ_n expound_v the_o scripture_n of_o the_o prophet_n therefore_o man_n will_v take_v in_o hand_n to_o expound_v his_o exposition_n q._n we_o can_v make_v they_o plain_o than_o he_o have_v leave_v they_o or_o make_v any_o thing_n true_a that_o be_v not_o write_v in_o they_o and_o because_o philip_n 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