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A14772 A briefe instruction By way of dialogue, concerninge the principall poyntes of Christian religio[n], gathered out of the holy scriptures, lathers, and councels. By the Reuere[n]de M. George Doulye priest. Warford, William, 1560-1608. 1604 (1604) STC 25068; ESTC S102696 93,570 322

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of sinne vvhich might hinder or diminishe the same I say sinne not only Actuall vvhether Mortall or Veniall but not so much as Originall sinne it selfe And vvithall she vvas so plentifully endovved vvith all kinde of vertues and giftes of the holy ghoast in the hyghest degree and had vvroughte so manie and so meritorious vvorkes in Gods sight that she vvas made vvorthie to mounte aboue all the quiers of the Angels both in bodie and soule M. This seemeth much For vvhy then doe you not attribute the same to sainte Steuen and other saintes vvhich are allso sayde to bee full of grace D. The quantitie and aboundance of grace is to be measured by the greatnes of the office and dignitie vvhich God hath called euerie one vnto Novv because the greatest office that euer vvas giuen vnto any pure creature vvas to bee the mother of God therfore our Blessed Ladie vvas made capable and filled vvith greater grace then any other pure creature And so both Saint Steuen and other saintes thoughe neuer so full beinge so farre inferiour in office and dignitie muste needes giue place in comparison of the graces of our blessed Ladie for this is not vnlike to manie vessells vvho allthough they be all full of balme or other like pretious licoure yeat one doth often hould more then an other M. Tell me novv vvhich are the other prayses vvhich you say are comprised in this prayer D. The seconde is in those vvordes Our lord is vvith thee VVhere by vve knovv that God in singular vvise did allvvayes assiste the blessed Virgē euen from the first instante of her conception gouerninge keepinge and defendinge her as a moste rich treasure so as she neuer offended in thought vvorde nor deede The thirde is cōteyned in those vvordes Blessed art thou amongeste vve men Because she only amongest all vvomen had that priuiledge to bee both a maide and a mother A mother I say of such a childe vvhich is more vvorthe then a hundred thousand children of other vvomen Albeit she may be sayde allso to be the mother of greate multitudes of children for as much as all good Christians are brothers of Christ and consequently are children of our blessed Ladie thoughe not by generation yeat by tender loue and motherly affection vvhich she beareth tovvardes all The fourth is in those vvordes Blessed is the fruyte of thy vvombe IESVS For as the prayse of the fruyte doth redounde to the tree so the glorie of the childe must much more redoūde to the honoure of the mother And euen as euerie true liuinge tree thoughe it haue once borne fruyte remaineth vvith sufficient vigoure and vertue to beare euerie yeare the like againe so our blessed Ladie as the true tree of lyfe hauinge once borne God as the peculiar fruyte of her vvombe remained still not only vvith sufficient but vvith more aboundāte grace merite and vertue thē before to become his mother againe once euerie yeare if so it seemed ether cōuenient to Gods highe vvisedome prouidence or needfull for mans Redēption vvhereby it appeareth hovv fitt this similitude is and no vvounder seinge it is no mans but the holy ghoastes invention As contrarievvise those cōparisons are of the deuill vvhich are by her enemies inuented to diminishe her praise and dignitye M. I like this vvell but if our Ladie as before you sayde be in heauē both in bodie and soule vvhat Ladie is that vvhich stādes vppō the altare in other places of the Church D. It is not our Ladie but her image only by vvhich vve remēber her vvhich is in heauen and in that respecte vve doe it honoure and reuerence M. But as there be many images are there allso many Ladies D. No forsooth but one only vvhich is alvvais in heauen M. Hovv then doe Catholique people vse to call vpon our Ladie of Loreto and others our Ladie of Guadalupe or Monserratto or our Ladie of Rhemes or of vvalsingham vvhich are all in diuers countries D. Sir vvee call her so vvith diuers names by reason of the manyfould benifites she doth obtaine for vs by her prayers in those places M. VVhat doe you aske of our blessed Ladie do you peradventure aske forgiuenes of your sinnes or the grace of God or lyfe euerlastinge of her D. No sir For vve aske those thinges of God both her our creatour M. VVhat then do you aske of her vvhen you pray vnto her D. That she vvillbe our aduocate and mediatresse before her blessed childe to obtaine all this for vs. Inuocation of Saintes M. And doe you pray to the saintes in like manner D. Altogeather remembringe allvvayes notvvithstandinge that there is no sainte aequal vnto goddes mother and therfore none that deserueth like honoure and reuerence of all true Christians M. But may a man say the Pa●●r Noster or Aue Marie to the honoure or inuocation of any other sainte or Angell D. Yeas doubtles hauinge this intention eyther to pray vnto God that for his saintes or Angels intercessiō vvho as Christ saith in the gospell doe allvvayes see his fathers face he vvoulde haue mercy on my soule or to craue of the saintes them selues that they vvill offer that prayer I make to God for me M. VVhy vvill God refuse our prayers excepte the saintes doe offer them for vs D. No but he doth the more vvillingey heare them vvhen they are offered vnto him by his frendes vvhich vve because of our sinnes for the most parte are not M. You say vvell for our Sauiour calleth his Apostles frendes euen vvhen they vvere in this vvorlde vvith him but tell me vvhen ought vve principally to recommend our selues vnto them D. Truly at all tymes but especially in our distresse and vpon theyr festiuall dayes M. Holie dayes Reliques of Saintes Vid● Basil ho. 26. in Mamā tē martyr Euseb libr. 13. de Athan. Ambro in 22. Lucae serm 9 in sancto Geruasiū Protasium Chrysost ho. 66. ad populū Antio chenum Hieron Ep. 27. ad Eustocbiū Ep. 53. lib. cōtra Vigilāt Damas. lib. 4. de fide cap. 16 Aug. in ps 88 l. 22. de ciuit c. 8. in ps 110 7. synod act 3 Chrysos de Babyla mart Victor African de persecut Vandalica And vvhat cause may there be vvhy the Church doth keepe theire dayes holy and reuerence theire reliques D. There are many but especially fiue M VVhich are they D. The first is to glorifie God in his saintes seeinge the vvonderfull vvorkes he hath alvvais vvrought by them The seconde because by the honoure vvhich is done them in earthe vve may the better vnderstande the glorie they enioy in heauen The thirde that thereby knovvinge they re liues and vertue vve may be exhorted to imitate and follovve they re exāple fith they vvere mortall men as vve are The fourth to encrease our deuotion tovvardes God by bearinge affectiō and loue vnto such vvorthy intercessors The fift because our mother the holy Church vvill