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A66445 The blovdy tenent, of persecution, for cause of conscience, discussed, in a conference betweene trvth and peace vvho, in all tender affection, present to the high court of Parliament, as the result of their discourse, these, amongst other passages, of highest consideration. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683.; Cotton, John, 1584-1652. 1644 (1644) Wing W2758; ESTC R2405 232,471 275

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of thy Witnesses that dare to plead thy Cause how are they charged to be mine Enemies contentious tarbulent seditious Secondly Thine Enemies though they speake and raile against thee though they outragiously pursue imprison banish kill thy faithfull Witnesses yet how is all ve●illion'd o're for Iustice 'gainst the Hereticks Yea if they 〈◊〉 and blow the 〈◊〉 of devouring Warres that leave neither Spirituall nor Civill State but burns up Branch and Root yet how doe all pretend an holy War He that kills and hee that 's killed they both cry out It is for God and for their conscience T is true nor one nor other seldome dare to plead the mighty Prince Christ Iesus for their Authour yet both both Protestant and Papist pretend they have spoke with Moses and the Prophets who all say they before Christ came allowed such holy persecutions holy Warres against the enemies of holy Church Truth Deare Peace to ease thy first complaint t is true thy dearest Sons most like their mother Peace-keeping Peace-making Sons of God have borne and still must beare the blurs of troublers of Israel and turners of the World upside downe And t is true againe what Salomon once spake The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out Water therefore saith he leave off contention before it be medled with This Caveat should keepe the bankes and sluces firme and strong that strife like a breach of waters breake not in upon the sons of men Yet strife must be distinguished It is necessary or unnecessary godly or ungodly Christian or unchristian c. It is unnecessary unlawfull dishonourable ungodly unchristian in most cases in the world for there is a possibility of keeping sweet Peace in most cases and if it be possible it is the expresse command of God that Peace be kept Rom. 13. Againe it is necessary honourable godly c. with civill and earthly weapons to defend the innocent and to rescue the oppressed from the violent pawes and jaws of oppressing persecuting Nimrods Psal. 73. Iob 29. It is as necessary yea more honourable godly and Christian to ●ight the ●ight of faith with religious and spirituall Artillery and to contend earnestly for the faith of Iesus once delivered to the Saints against all opposers and the gates of earth and hell men or devils yea against Paul himselfe or an Angell from heaven if he bring any other faith or doctrine Iude vers 4. Gal. 1. 8. Peace With the clashing of such Armes am I never wakened Speake once againe deare Truth to my second complaint of bloody persecution and devouring wars marching under the colours of upright Iustice and holy Zeale c. Truth Mine eares have long beene filled with a threefold dolefull Outcry First of one hundred forty foure thousand Virgins Rev. 14 forc'd and ravisht by Emperours Kings and Governours to their beds of worship and Religion set up like Absalems on high in their severall States and Countries Secondly the cry of those precious soules under the Altar Rev. 6. the soules of such as have beene persecuted and slaine for the testimony and witnesse of Iesus whose bloud hath beene spilt like water upon the earth and that because they have held fast the truth and witnesse of Iesus against the worship of the States and Times compelling to an uniformity of State Religion These cries of murthered Virgins who can sit still and heare Who can but run with zeale inflamed to prevent the destowring of chaste soules and spilling of the bloud of the innocent Humanity stirs up and prompts the Sonnes of men to draw materiall swords for a Virgins chastity and life against a ravishing murtherer And Piety and Christianity must needs awaken the Sons of God to draw the spirituall sword the Word of God to preserve the chastity and life of spirituall Virgins who abhorre the spirituall defilements of false worship Rev. 14. Thirdly the cry of the whole earth made drunke with the bloud of its inhabitants slaughtering each other in their blinded zeale for Conscience for Religion against the Catholickes against the Lutherans c. What fearfull cries within these twenty years of hundred thousands men women children fathers mothers husbands wives brethren sisters old and young high and low plundred ravished slaughtered murthered famished And hence these cries that men ●ling away the spirituall sword and spirituall artillery in spirituall and religious causes and rather trust for the suppressing of each others God Conscience and Religion as they suppose to an arme of flesh and sword of steele Truth Sweet Peace what hast thou there Peace Arguments against persecution for cause of Conscience Truth And what there Peace An Answer to such Arguments contrarily maintaining such persecution for cause of Conscience Truth These Arguments against such persecution and the Answer pleading for it written as Love hopes from godly intentions hearts and hands yet in a marvellous different stile and manner The Arguments against persecution in milke the Answer for it as I may say in bloud The Authour of these Arguments against persecution as I have beene informed being committed by som then in power close prisoner to Newgate for the witnesse of some truths of Iesus and having not the use of Pen and Inke wrote these Arguments in Milke in sheets of Paper brought to him by the Woman his Keeper from a friend in London as the stopples of his Milk bottle In such Paper written with Milk nothing will appeare but the way of reading it by fire being knowne to this friend who received the Papers he transcribed and kept together the Papers although the Author himselfe could not correct nor view what himselfe had written It was in milke tending to soule nourishment even for Babes and Sucklings in Christ. It was in milke spiritually white pure and innocent like those white horses of the Word of truth and meeknesse and the white Linnen or Armour of righteousnesse in the Army of Iesus Rev. 6. 19. It was in milke soft meeke peaceable and gentle tending both to the peace of soules and the peace of States and Kingdomes Peace The Answer though I hope out of milkie pure intentions is returned in bloud bloudy slaughterous conclusions bloudy to the souls of all men forc'd to the Religion and Worship which every civil State or Common-weale agrees on and compells all subjects to in a dissembled uniformitie Bloudy to the bodies first of the holy witnesses of Christ Iesus who testifie against such invented worships Secondly of the Nations and Peoples slaughtering each other for their severall respective Religions and Consciences CHAP. III. Truth IN the Answer Mr. Cotton first layes downe severall distinctions and conclusions of his owne tending to prove persecution Secondly Answers to the Scriptures and Arguments proposed against persecution Peace The first distinction is this By persecution for cause of Conscience I conceive you meane either for professing some point of doctrine which you
of State policy tolerate what suits not with Christianity and out of State necessity tolerate ●s David did Ioab against their wils To which I answer First that although with him in the first I confesse that Princes may tolerate that out of State policy which will not stand with Christianity yet in the second he must acknowledge with me that there is a necessity sometime of State Toleration as in the case of Ioab and so his former affirmation generally laid downe viz. that it is evill to tolerate seducing Teachers or scandalous livers was not duly waighed in the Balance of the Sanctuary and is too light Secondly I affirme that that State policy and State necessity which for the peace of the State and preventing of Rivers of civill Blood permits the Consciences of men will bee found to agree most punctually with the Rules of the best Politician that ever the World saw the King of Kings and Lord of Lords in comparison of whom Salomon himselfe had but a drop of wisedome compared to Christs Ocean and was but a Farthing Candle compared with the All and Ever glorious Son of Righteousnesse That absolute Rule of this great Politician for the peace of the Field which is the World and for the good and peace of the Saints who must have a civill being in the World I have discoursed of in his command of permitting the Tares that is Antichristians or false Christians to be in the Field of the World growing up together with the true Wheat true Christians CHAP. LXI Peace HIs third Answer is this For those three Princes named by you who tolerated Religion we can name you more and greater who have not tolerated Heretickes and Schismatickes notwithstanding their pretence of Conscience and their arrogating the Crowne of Martyrdome to their sufferings Constantine the Great at the request of the Generall Councell at Nice banished Arrius with some of his Fellowes Sozom. lib. 1. Eccles hist. cap 19 20. The same Constantine made a severe Law against the Donatists and the like proceedings against them were used by Valentinian Gratian and Theodosius as Augustine reports in Ep. 166. Onely Iulian the Apostate granted liberty to Heretickes as well as to Pagans that he might by tolerating all weeds to grow choake the vitals of Christianity which was also the practice and sinne of Valens the Arrian Queene Elizabeth as famous for her Government as most of the former it is well knowne what Lawes she made and executed against Papists yea and K. Iames one of your owne Witnesses though he was slow in proceeding against Papists as you say for Conscience sake yet you are not ignorant how sharply and severely he punished those whom the malignant World calls Puritans men of more Conscience and better Faith then the Papists whom he tolerated Truth Unto this I answer First that for mine owne part I would not use an argument from the number of Princes witnessing in profession of practice against Persecution for cause of Conscience for the truth and faith of the Lord Iesus must not bee received with respect of faces be they never so high princely and glorious Precious Pearles and Iewels and farre more precious Truth are found in muddy shells and places The rich Mines of golden Truth lye hid under barren hills and in obscure holes and corners The most High and Glorious God hath chosen the poore of the World and the Witnesses of Truth Rev. 11. are cloathed in sackcloth not in Silke or Sattin Cloth of Gold or Tissue and therefore I acknowledge if the number of Princes professing persecution bee considered it is rare to finde a King Prince or Governour like Christ Iesus the King of Kings and Prince of the Princes of the Earth and who tread not in the steps of Herod the Fox or Nero the Lyon openly or secretly persecuting the name of the Lord Iesus such were Saul Ieroboam Ahab though under a maske or pretence of the name of the God of Israel To that purpose was it a noble speech of Buchanan who lying on his death-bed sent this Item to King Iames Remember my humble service to his Majestie and tell him that Buchanan is going to a place where few Kings come CHAP. LXII Truth SEcondly I observe how inconsiderately I hope not willingly he passeth by the Reasons and Grounds urged by those three Princes for their practices for as for the bare examples of Kings or Princes they are but like shining Sands or guilded Rockes giving no solace to such as make wofull shipwrack on them In K. Iames his Speech he passeth by that Golden Maxime in Divinity that God never loves to plant his Church by Blood Secondly that Civill Obedience may be performed from the Papists Thirdly in his observation on Revel 20. that true and certaine note of a false Church to wit persecution The wicked are besiegers the faithfull are besieged In K. Steven of Poland his Speech hee passeth by the true difference betweene a Civill and a Spirituall Government I am said Steven a Civill Magistrate over the bodies of men not a spirituall over their soules Now to confound these is Babel and Jewish it is to seek for Moses and bring him from his grave which no man shall finde for God buried him in setting up a Nationall state or Church in a land of Canaan which the great Messiah abolished at his comming Thirdly he passeth by in the speech of the King of Bohemia that foundation in Grace and Nature to wit that Conscience ought not to be violated or forced and indeed it it is most true that a Soule or spirituall Rape is more abominable in Gods eye then to force and ravish the Bodies of all the Women in the World Secondly that most lamentably true experience of all Ages which that King observeth viz. that persecution for cause of Conscience hath ever proved pernicious being the causes of all those wonderfull innovations of or changes in the Principalities● and mightiest Kingdomes of Christendome He that reads the Records of Truth and Time with an impartiall eye shall finde this to be the Launcet that hath pierc'd the veines of Kings and Kingdomes of Saints and Sinners and fill'd the streames and Rivers with their blood Lastly that Kings observation of his own time viz. that Persecution for cause of Conscience was practised most in England and such places where Popery raigned implying as I conceive that such practises commonly proceed from that great whore the Church of Rome whose Daughters are like their Mother and all of a bloody nature as most commonly all Whores be CHAP. LXIII NOw thirdly in that the Answerer observeth that amongst the Romane Emperours they that did not persecute were Iulian the Apostate and Valens the Arrian whereas the good Emperours Constantine Gratian Valentinian and Theodosius they did persecute the Arrians Donatists c. Answ. It is no new thing for godly and eminently godly men