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A07692 The apologye of syr Thomas More knyght More, Thomas, Sir, Saint, 1478-1535. 1533 (1533) STC 18078; ESTC S112850 142,420 593

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temporall men I am contente to let his but alone and wyll not shote ther at for this ones How be yt surely his but beynge a preposycyon aduersatyue standeth more properly to shote at betwene his two nowes then yt wolde yf yt were turned into some cōiunccyon copulatyue But where as he cā not fully tell by what occasyon the great multitude haue founde defaute as well at prestes as religyous a mā nedeth neuer to study for occasyons therof but yf he be so curyouse as to seke for fautes he maye sone fynd inough not onely in prestes and in relygyous but in euery sorte and kynde of temporall people to euer might yet in euery age syth crystendome beganne and may peraduenture yf he serche well fynde some in hym self to So y ● yf there be no nother cause of varyaunce then that they may both spiritualty and temporalty take eche other by the hande like good felowes and agre to gether well inough But yet happeth yt well that this good pacyfyer hath so great pytye that the noyse of this diuisyon shold spryng and go abrode For he to remedy that mater with all and to pul backe the noyse therof and to stoppe vppe clerely the sprynge bycause all shold be hushte and neuer mo wordes made therof hath as ye se put yt oute abrode in prent The .xviii. chapiter ANd some alledge dyuerse ca●ses why yt shold be so noysed A very fewe folke may sone begynne a noyse of euyll wyll and malyce And a noyse maye sone be borne abrod what so euer y ● mater be with some of symplicite some of light geuynge credence some of a luste vnto talkyng Fyrste they saye that neyther pref●es nor religyouse ke●e the perfeccyō of theyr order to the honour of god good example of the people as they shuld● do Ueryly they that so saye peraduenture saye not myche vntrewe For I thynke that euery mannys dewty toward god is so great that very few folke serue hym as they shold do And therfore who so prye vpon euery mannys dede so narowly as to spy that faute and fall at variaūce of greate zele with euery man that doth not to the very poynt and perfeccyō euyn all that he shold do shall waxe within a whyle at varyaūce wyth euery man euery man wyth hym But I suppose they kepe it now at thys day mych what after suche a good metely meane maner as they dyd many of those yeres before in which thys dyuysyon was neuer dremed on And therfore they that saye thys is the cause haue nede to go seke some other But that some of theym procure they re owne honour and call yt the honour of god and rather coueyt to haue rule ouer the people then to profyte the people were there neuer none of these tyll nowe so late as about the begynnynge of thys dyuysyon or be they all such now Amonge Crystes own apostoles was some desyre of prelacye and that wyth some contencyon to There are of oure prelates some suche at thys day now as I pray god that when there shal any new come they maye proue no wurse For of these whā they dye yf they waxe not wurse byfore who so shal lyue after thē may in my mynde be bold to say that englande had not theyr better any day thys .xl. yere and I durste go a good waye aboue to But thys is more by twenty yere and ten sette therto then this diuysiō hath any thyng be spoken of And that some couet theyr bodyly ease and worldly welth in meate and drynke and suche other more then commenly any temporall man doth This is a very colde cause of thys new dyuysyon to say that there be not now comēly so badde men in the temporaltye as there be some in the spirytualtye For whan was it otherwyse not euyn in Crystes owne dayes For Iudas that was one of hys owne apostles was not onely wurse then the comon sorte of all those that loued theyr belyes and theyr ease amonge Crystes dyscyples were they men or women but wurse also thā the very wurste in all y ● world bysyde But what cause were thys that the tēporaltye shold nor though thys man saye thus I thynke theym not so vnreasonable that they wold be at debate dyuisyon wyth the hole body of the clergye bycause that some of thē were wurse then those are that are in a meane comon sorte of noughtynesse amonge them selfe And that some se●ue god for a wordely lande and to be magni●yed therfore more they for th● pure 〈◊〉 of god That same some that so do be some of the most folysh apys that the deuyll hath to tūble afore hym and to make hym lawghe when he seeth them take so mych laboure payne for the rewarde of the blast of a fewe mennes mowthes How be it there maye be some suche for all that yet nothynge to the purpose of thys mater For as for the speche of folys is not to be compted for a profe of dyuysyon And amonge wyse men the gesse and contecture that in the clergy there be secretly some very noughte before god whom yet in the syghte of the worlde men take for very good can by no reason be the cause of any grudge toward the spyrytualty wherin maye be bysyde them that are such and so there are in dede many very vertuouse holy men in dede whose holynesse and prayour hath bene I veryly thynke one great special cause that god hath so longe holden his hande frō geuyng of some sorer stroke vpon the neckes of them y ● are nought care not in the spyrytualty and the temporaltye bothe And yet thys fawte that thys pacyfyer assygneth of seruynge god for lawde is I suppose somewhat amended of late wyll within a whyle if some gere go forward were a way quyte by the helpe and meanys of an other fawte For yf these heresyes that rayle vppon relygyons and call all theyr prayour parerynge and all theyr fastynge foly all theyr holy vowys of chastyte worse then frere Lutherslechery yf these heresyes I saye may grow and go forward as they begynne to grow now and prosper ful pretily in some places then yf those that be of the same secte and of polycy dyssymule it for a season maye in the meane tyme sprede abrode an opynyon in the myndes of menne that of them self mene none harme that the relygyouse people do faste and pray but for lawde they shall wel perceyue wythin a whyle y ● they shall haue so lytell lawd therof that yf there wolde remayne none other cause of thys dyuysyon but bycause they serue god for lawde ye shall haue it soone chaunged of lykelyh●d and then shall we shortely agre togyther very well But now good reders consyder I beseche you that yf these causes whyche thys pacyfyer alledgeth vnder the coloure of Some say be causes that myghte moue the temporaltye to be in dyuysyon and
in heresy but in many temporall maters amonge our self wherof I haue hadde experyryence many a tyme and ofte bothe in the dysclosynge of felo●●es and somtyme of mych other oppressyō vsed by some one man or twayn in a shyre wherby all theyr neyghbours sore smarted and yet not one durste openly complayne How be it it cometh in heresyes somtyme to mych worse point For I haue wyst where those that haue bene in the cōpany at the tyme beyng folke of good substaunce and such as were taken fro wurshypfull beyng called ī for wytnesses haue fyrst made many delayes and afterwarde beyng examyned on theyr othes haue sworne that they herd it not or remembre● it not and toke no hede to the mater at the tyme where as it well appered by y ● deposycyons of dyuers other beynge wyth them at the tyme ȳ● in euery man●●es conscyence they lyed whan wolde these folke bycome an hertykes accusar agaynste whome they wolde rather be forsworne then of the trouth to bere wytnesse And thys thynge maketh that yt may be somtyme all be yt very selde yt happeth that in heresy vppon other vehement suspycyons wythout wytnesse a man may be put to his purgacyon and to penaunce also yf he fayle therof ▪ whyche thynge why so many sholde now thynke so hard a lawe as this pacyfyer sayth they do I can not se nor those wyse men neyther that made the lawe And yet were they many wyse men and not onely as wyse but peraduenture many mo also in nōber then those that this pacyfyer calleth many nowe that as he sayth fynd now the faute For though yt be alledged in the extrauagat de hereticis ca. Ad abolend● yet was that lawe made in a generall counsayle And veryly me thynketh that he whyche can not be proued gyltye in heresye and yet vseth such maner of wayes y ● all hys honeste neygh●ours wene he were one and therfore dare not swere that in theyr conscyence they thynke him any other is wel worthy me thynketh to do some penaunce for that maner of byhauour wherby he geueth all other folke occasyon to take hym for so noughtye And by the comen lawe of this realme many tymes vppon suspycyon the iudges a warde a wrytte to enquyre of what fame and behauour the man is in hys countrey and hym selfe lyeth somtyme styll in pryson tyll the retourne yf he be retourned good that is to wyt yf he be in a maner purged then is he delyuered and yet he payeth his fees ere he go And yf he be retourned nought thē vse the iudges to bynde hym for his good abe●ynge and somtyme suertyes wyth hym to suche as they re dyscrecyon wyll allowe And then to lye styll tyll he fynde them is somtyme as mych penaunce to the tone as the spyrituall iudge enioyneth to the tother For the tone cometh to the barre as openly as the tother to the cōsystory somtyme hys feters waye a good py●ce of a fagot bysydes that they lye lēger on y ● tone mans legges then the fagot on the tothers sholdre And yet is there no remedye but bothe these muste be done both in the tone courte and in the tother or ellys in stede of one harme whyche to hym that deserueth yt not happeth seldome and as seldome I am sure in heresye as in thefte myche more seldome to ye shall haue tenne tymes more harme happen dayle to folke as innocent as they and of innocentis many made nocentes to the destruccyon of them selfe and other to bothe in goodes body and soule And bycause this pacifyer taketh yt for so sore a thynge in the spyrytuall lawe that a man shall be called ex officio for heresye where he shall not know his accuser yf we shold chaunge the spyrytuall lawe for that cause then hadde we nede to chaūge the temporall to in some suche poyntes as chaunge yt when ye wyll and ye shall chaunge yt in to the worse for aught that I can se but yf yt be better to haue mo theuys then f●wer For nowe yf a man be endyghted at a sessyons none euydens geuyn openly at the barre as many be and many may wel be For thendytours maye haue euydence gyuen them a parte or haue herde of the mater ere they cam there of whom be they not boūdē to tell but be rather bounden to kepe it close for they be sworen to kepe the kynges counsayle and theyr owne shall than the party that is endyghted be put vnto no busynesse about hys acquytayles And who shall tell him there the names of hys accusers to entytle hym to hys wrytte of conspyracy Thys pacyfyer wyll peraduenture say that the same twelue men that are his endyghtours are hys accusours and therfore he maye knowe them ●ut what helpeth that hys vndeserued vexacyon yf he were fautelesse For amendes the law geueth him none against any of theym nor it were not well done he sholde but may whan he is after by other x●i acquyte go gette hym home and be mery that he hath had so fayre a daye as a man get●eth hym to the fyre shaketh hys hatte after a shoure of rayne And now as it often happeth that a man cometh into a shoure by hys owne ouersyghte though somtyme of chaunce and of aduenture so suerly though somtyme it happe that a man he accused or endyghted of malyce or of some lykelyhed whyche happed hym of chaunce and not hys faute therin yet happeth it in comparyson very ●elde but that the party by some demeanure of hym selfe gyueth occasion that folke haue hym so suspected Now yf thys pacyfyer say that yet here is at the leste wyse in a temporall iudge an open cause apperyng wherevppon men maye se that the iudge calleth hym not but vppon a marter broughte vnto hym where as the spyrytuall iudge maye call a man vppon hys owne pleasure yf he bere the party dyspleasure this is very well sayde as for the tēporall iudge But what sayth he nowe for the temporall .xii. men For ye wote wel they may do the same yf they were so dysposed then had I as lyue the iudge might do yt as they For in good fayth I neuer saw the day yet but that I durst as well trust the trouth of one iudge as of two iuryes But the iudges be so wyse men that for the auoydynge of obloquye they wyll not be put in the truste And I dare saye the ordynaryes be not so folysshe neyther but that they worlde as fayne auoyde it to yf they myghte sauynge that very necessyte lest all sholde fall to nought compelleth them to take thys waye whyche necessyte sometyme causeth also bothe the temporall iudges the kynges counsayle to put some foke to busynesse or dyshonestye sometyme wythout eyther iury or bryngynge of the accuser to the prose of the mater in the partyes presen●e For yf the iudge knowe by sure enformacyon that some one man is of suche euyll