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A11806 Vox populi, or Newes from Spayne translated according to the Spanish coppie ; which may serve to forwarn both England and the Vnited Provinces how farre to trust to Spanish pretences. Scott, Thomas. 1620 (1620) STC 22100.2; ESTC S100489 19,312 28

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his excellency was the card and Compas by which I sayled to make profit of al humors and by all meanes to advance the state of the Romish faith and the Spanish faction togither upō all advantage eyther of oathes or the breach of thē for this is an old observation but a true that for our pietie to Rome his holynes did not onely give but blesse us in the conquest of the new world And thus in our pious perseverance we hope stil to be conquerours of the old And to this end wheras his excellentie in his excellent discourse seemes to extend our outward forces private aimes onely against heretiques and restraine them in true amitie with these of the Romish religion This I affirme that since there cā be no security but such princes though now Romish Catholiques may turne heretiques hereafter my aimes haue ever been to make profit of all to make my master master of al who is a faithful constant sonne of his mother Rome And to this end I behold the endevours of our Kings of happy memorie hovv they haue achieved kingdomes and conquests by this policy rather thē by opē hostility and that without difference as wel from their allies and kinsfolks men of the same religion and profession such as were those of Naples France and Navar though I doe not mētion Poitugall now united to us nor Savoy that hardly slipt frō us as of an adverse and heretical faith Neyther is this rule left of as the present kingdome of France the State of Venice the Low-countries Bohemia now al labouring for life under our plots apparantly manifest This way therfore I bent my engins in England as your honours shal particularly heare Neyther shal I need to repeat a Catalogue of all the services I haue there done because this state hath been acquainted with many of them here to fore by the intercourse of letters and messengers Those onely I will speak of that are of later edition done since the returne of the Lord Rosse frō hence and may seeme most directly to tēd to those ends formerly propounded by his Excellentie that is the advancement of the Spanish State and Romish Religion togither First it is well observed by the wisdome of our State that the King of England who otherwise is one of the most accōplisht Princes that ever raign'd extreamly hunts after peace and so affects the true name of a Peacemaker as that for it he wil doe or suffer any thing And withall they have beheld the generall bountie munificence of his minde and the necessity of the state so exhausted as it is unable to supply his desires who onely seeks to haue that he might giue to others Vpon those advantages they have given out their directions and instructions both to me and others and I haue observed thē so farre as I was able And for this purpose wheras there was a marriage propounded betwixt them and us howsoever I suppose our State too devout to deale with heretiques in this kinde in good earnest yet I made that a cover for much intelligence and a meanes to obtaine whatsoever I desired whilest the State of England longed after that mariage hopeing thereby though vainely to settle peace and fill the Excheaquer Here the Arch Bishop of Toledo Inquisitor generall stept up and interrupted Gondamor saying that maryage was not to be thought vpō first for religions sake lest they should indanger the soule of the younge Lady and the rest of her company who might become her●ticks secondly for the state lest by giving so large a portion to heretiques they should inrich and in able them for warres impoverish and weaken the Catholiques To the first objection the Popes Nuntio answered that his holynes for the Catholique cause would dispense with the marriage though it were with a Turke or infidel 1. That there was no valuable danger in hazarding one for the gaining of many perhaps of all 2. That it was no hazard since women espetially yong ones are to obstinate to be removed from their opinions and abler to worke Solomon to their opinions then Solomon to work them to his faith 3. That it was a great advantage to match wich such from whom they might break at pleasure having the catholique cause for a colour and besides if need were to be at liberty in all respects since there was no faith to be kept with heretiques And if his Holynes may dispēce with the murther of such dispose of their crownes as what good Catholique doubts but he may much more may he and wil he in their mariages to prevent the leprous seed of heresie and to settle Catholique blood in the chaire of State To the second objection the Ambassadour himselfe answered saying that though the English generally loathed the matche and would as he thought buy it off with halfe of their estates hating the nation of Spain and their religion as appeared by an uproare and assault a day or two before his departure from London by the Apprentices who seemed greedy of such an occasion to vent their owne spleenes in doing him or any of his a mischiefe yet two sorts of people unmeasurably desired the match might proceed First the begging and beggarly Courtyers that they might haue to furnish their wants Secondly the Romish Catholiques who hoped hereby at least for a moderation of fynes and lawes perhaps a tolleraaion and perhaps a total restauration of their religion in England In which regard quoth he I haue knowne some zealous persons protest that if al their friendes and halfe their estates could procure thē the service of our Lady if she came to be maried too their Prince they would freely use the meanes faithfully to fight under her colours when they might doe it safely And if it came to portion they would underhand contribute largely of their estates to the Spanish Collector and make up halfe the portion out of themselves perhaps more So that by this mariage it might be so wrought that the state should rather be robd and weakened which is our ayme then strengthened as the English vainely hope Besides in a small tyme they should worke so far into the body of the State by buying Offices and the like whether by sea or land of Iustice civil or ecclesiastical in Church or State all being for money exposed to sale that with the helpe of the Iesuites they would undermine them with meere wit without gunpowder and leave the King but a fewe subjects whose faithes hee might rely upon whilst they were of a faith adverse to his For what catholique body that is sound at the hart can abide a corrupt and heretical head With that the Duke Medina del rio Secco president of the councel of warr and one of the councel of State rose up and sayd his Predecessors had felt the force and wit of the English in 88. And he had cause to doubt the Catholiques themselves that were English and not