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A57540 Ohel or Beth-shemesh A tabernacle for the sun, or, Irenicum evangelicum : an idea of church-discipline in the theorick and practick parts, which come forth first into the world as bridegroom and bride ... by whom you will have the totum essentiale of a true Gospel-church state according to Christs rules and order left us when he ascended ... : published for the benefit of all gathered churches, more especially in England, Ireland and Scotland / by John Rogers ... Rogers, John, 1627-1665?; Rogers, John, 1627-1665? Challah, the heavenly nymph. 1653 (1653) Wing R1813; Wing R1805; ESTC R850 596,170 655

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the Church viz. to speak object offer or vote with the rest which this Scripture nor no other as I know of doth in the least hinder but rather help being rightly considered For 2. He saith it is not permitted 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 by reason of the disorders and differences that then were in the Church it was thought inconvenient to allow womens liberty to preach publiquely whereby they brought but confusion into the Church as appears in the antecedent and subsequent words vers 33. and vers 40. so that the ill consequence was the cause of this rule of prudence not any positive command of Gods but he spake as in 1 Cor. 7.6 And it is a quest●on whether it be a standing precept So that from this very Scripture besides a hundred others I do verily beleeve that handmaids shall prophecy and have more publick liberty then now they have but however this does nothing at all disallow or deny them their common private proper liberty as members of Christs body equally with men I say as members though not as officers and so subjective to the whole 2. To women I wish ye be not too forward and yet not too backward but hold fast your liberty in Gal. 5.1 which the Apostle speaks as well to the sisters as the brethren Christ hath made ye free male and female ye are all one in Christ and ought to be so in the Church wherefore stand fast saies he that is keep your ground which Christ hath won and got for you maintain your right defend your liberty even to the life lose it not but be courag●ous and keep it And yet be cautious too festina lente not too fast but first be swift to hear slow to speak Jam. 1.19 unlesse occasion requires you your silence may sometimes be the best advocate of your orderly liberty and the sweetest evidence of your prudence and modesty as one saies Silentium saepissime addit foeminis gratiam et decus maxime apud viros cum de rebus seriis agitur and yet ye ought not by your silence to betray your liberty trouble your consciences lose your priviledges and rights or see the truth taken away or suffer before your eyes but I say be not too hasty nor too high for as the note that comes too nigh the margent is in danger to run into the text the next impression so spirits that run too high at first may soon fall into disorder and irregularity It is said when Cyrus was young his Grandfather made Sacas his overseer to order him both in his diet time and recreations but when he came to riper years he became a Sacas to himself and took not so much liberty as he had leave to do and as was allowed him by his governour Sacas And so indeed that may be lawfull to you that is not as yet expedient for you and rather then run into disorder and confusion hold your liberty a little in suspense and wave it on some occasions wherein you lawfully may but lose it not for all the world which Christ payed so great a price for and prepare for fairer gales As the Miller does for though he cannot command the winde yet he will spread his sailes out and open them in a readinesse when he is in hopes of its coming and so do you and when the winde blowes which begins your liberty with full sailes shall bring forth abundantly to serve all the countrey round In the mean time make much of the ordinances prize your hitherto liberty and practise accordingly And in a word I say to all Those whom God hath joyned together let no man put asunder CHAP. IX 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 This last Chapter shewes what Church this Treatise mentions and clears it from all others and shewes wherein the Presbyterians and we disagree and wherein they and the Papists agree in most of the essentiall differences between them and us for Discipline Doctrine and Practise and proves this Gospell-Church-State the great promise and thing typified in the last daies and the Paradise on earth to be restored I Had thoughts now to have rested me for a while but I am jogg'd up again by the jarring noises which many make about the name of a Church I must now arise and wet my pen a little more before I conclude this Treatise or take my rest You have had the essentialia laid before you and in this first and second part have had the totum homogeneum of a true Church both what is to be done before and what in and upon embodying together but what is to be done after followes after in the third Part which I promise next if the Lord give me leave wherein you shall have I hope so the totum organicum of a true Church of Christ. But before that will be ready I must meet with some rough Opinionists who will bid me stand or at least with such who have the hands of Esau though the voice of Jacob and so the principles and practises of the Pope though the pretences and protestations of a Presbyter that will not let me passe thus without a full discharge and a violent volley upon me made up of wilde fire and not with the fire from above but I must force my way in the name and strength of the Lord and I shall lay before them before I leave them the rotten foundation they are built upon which without mercy may be their ruine and whose cause and quarrell it is they are engaged in and whose design they carry on against the Saints and servants of the most High And the Lord give them grace to consider and separate from it for else I dare confidently affirm they will be found fighters against God Act. 5. I shall first offer y●u what we mean consideration 1 by the Church of Christ where this discipline and order is set which we have handled and shall endeavour to take off all doubts and distractions which may else arise about the word for that Ecclesia est quid dam 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 various Controversies have shot out from the word and name as well as the thing and nature of a true Church Formerly between the Pontifitians and Protestants and of late between the Presbyterians and Independents as will easily appear upon perusall of Mr. Rutherford's Right of Presbyteries Mr. Bailies Disswasive Mr. Prinns 12 Questions and Independency examined c. Mr. Ball 's late Treatise Vindiciae Clavium Mr. Hudson's Church Catholick visible cum multis aliis c. I take the name of Church two waies either strictly or at large proxime proprie aut remote late at large or more remotely and improperly it is to be considered either in respect to and with distinction from Infidels and Pagans or else collectively in respect of Christians amongst themselves in the first respect as opposed to Turks and Paynims all
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Zeal that is false fights against God in his Saints and Churches p. 340 c. 5 l. 2 One word for the Printer Honest friends FRown not for who shall throw the first stone you or I You that are without faults finde faults but make not faults I fear we shall meet with more Errata's at the end of our lives then at the end of these lines though here be many and more then my leasure can enter together into the list but being they are baggage it shall cost the less care onely this I believe that the miscarriages of the Press and mens practises with some mens malicious misconstructions will have alike look and language and may express Light a Lie Truth Ruth Mystery Mysty c. For for the most part their fault is to diminish and detract But it may be some men will read with a Romish gloss or glance as the Prelate or Presbyteer and then I look they that will willingly read as in Luk. 15 8. for domum everrit domum ever●it for when they should sweep the house they would pull it down So that instead of me●ding worth I must look for some to be rending words till they make them worse then they are it may be as bad as themselves a● last But to thee Honest Reader I wish with all my heart that I had more leasure to direct and you lift and light to correct I hope wee shall meet with some candid Christians and honest men who will amend in the life what is amisse in the leafe and with some patient well-minded Readers who will turn the other side to make it true sence for the Printers sake and sentence for the Publishers sake Passe by the Typographick errors for his sake and the Hypographick errors for mine For I could not follow the Presse and the Presse would not follow me And to be ingenuous I shall finde out some faults for you many from you but most in you that are ever and most finding fault Errata's in the Epistles PAge 17. read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fourth month p. 30. line 27. r. deeply incumbent upon Magistrates p. 26. l. 1. r. Christ's p. 29. l. 29. r. you know what I p. 37. l. 18. margin r. redire i● principium p. 55. in margin against l. 6. obliterate the p 70. l 9. in margin r. the way to make it p. 64. l 19 r. him in i. e. in one p. 63 l. 37. r Churches p. 73. l. 37. r. do save p. 79. in verses l. ult r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In the Book p 5. l. 27 r. Policie p. ●4 in margent against l. 16. r. loose and l 24 r. because that they p. 15. l. 32. r. cheat us p. 16. l. 1. r. Discipline p. 17. l. 15 r. viz. in the Church p. 23. l. 7. r. and five and thirty dayes l. 29. r. that it is in p. 30. l. 3. r. that holds p. 34. in margent against 17. and 18. l. r. Form are least in Spirit p. 39. l 6. r. Sun p. 46. l. 21. r. Hermes p 50. l. 37. r. others and obliterare all p. 54. l. 14. r. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 p. 56. in margent under object r. is n●t p. 63. l 7. r. p 59. and in p. 65. against l. 16 margent r. 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another Wherefore to the second Vse Vse 2. Then we see such as are honoured though some vse 2 thinke naucified by the name of Independents I meane the Members of the Congregationall Churches and Presbyterie which we hold with although the Prelaticall be too presumptuous and usurping for us I say such are not without the Word for their warrant nor are they without Christs rule for their refusing the commands of men or their proud precepts tending to embondage the Saints by their usurping power One Church having as plenary power as any other Master Paul Baines that precious holy man and light of his age in his Treatise printed 1621. pag. 13. sayes plainly We affirm it that no such Headship of or in any Church was ordained by Christ our only Head over us either actually or virtually but that all Churches are equally INDEPENDENT being his owne word without any kinde of subjection one to any other Sweet Sibbs in his breathing c. pag. 94. speaking how amiable the Tabernacles were applies them as Types to particular Churches of Christ having equall beauty and glory and the said Sibbs in his said Treatise lib. 2. chap. 9. uses the very word also Independents Robinson in his Reasons discussed is large upon this point and Bullinger in the 5. Decad. Serm. 1. sayes it at large also That the power of governing and ordering all affaires and Church-matters belonging to the body is within the body whither with relation to the calling or chusing Church-Officers Pastors Teachers Elders Deacons and Ministers Act. 6. Act. 14. 15. or for binding and loosing and Censures and Sacraments examining of Doctrines admitting of Members and in all other Church-matters and that they have besides power to call Synods to consult upon weighty occasion● Ames in his Medul Theol. lib. 1. chap. 37. sect 6. sayes All power of Discipline De jure according to Christ's Institution is the Churches in Common and none ought to usurpe power over any such particular Church A many more Witnesses and eminent mens Certificates under their owne hands in their Writings might be produced to prove these truthes as Reynolds in his Conference with Hart Ainsworth in his Guide to Zion Willets Synopsis Cottons Keyes Bartlets Modell Taylor on Titus Cum multis aliis c. But by this you may see how unseemly it is for and how little it doth become our unbrotherly and unkind Kinsmen of the Presbyterians to be so bitter against us as to say only a few simple upstart fanaticks and giddy-headed illiterate fooles are of this opinion Why produce your cause bring forth your strong reasons saith the King of Jacob Isa. 41.21 it is no upstart Novelty but a truth of equall standing with the Kingdome of Christ and in all Ages the most eminent Lights were of this opinion though they had not the like liberty to put it into practise Besides should we not be worse then mad men to expose our selves poore Wives with little Children to the contempt of all to be reproached by all our persons to be hated of all and to be abused in the open streets our names to be all be spotted with the foulest filth and du●t which can bee cast upon them our Families and Friends to the ill-will of all almost and we our selves continually to feed upon afflictions and palpable injuries whilst none dare or doe appeare on our behalfe this was and yet is in many places in the Countries where we are in daily dangers and troubles Now I say what a madnesse were it we should enter into so strait a gate and run into the rage of all almost whether prophane or Professors were not the testimony of a good Conscience our continuall feast and refreshing and rejoycing if a meere head-strong will should hurry us on to such a way of thornes and bryers But beleeve it and the Lord is our witnesse it is our Consciences that carrie us on Now Conscience being a conjunct Science and a knowing of the Act with the Rule doth render us happy in this That we most faithfully and unfeignedly seeke the satisfying our Souls in the revealed Wil and declared minde of God to that which we know But thus we must and wil if the Lord please walk according to our light and as we are fully perswaded in our breasts that we may have peace at home though perils abroad and warres without continually See Rom. 14.5 Phil. 3.16 and let not the Saints be in the least discouraged at our sufferings which are a token to us of Salvation and that we are of God in Phil. 1.27 28 29. For we shall come shining out of the fire and in glistering glory 1 Pet. 1.6 7. although indeed so subtill is he that can transforme himselfe into an Angell of Light that Spirituall wickednesses are set up in holy places wickednesses that seeme Spirituall and carry a face and forme of holinesse For in every age have your formall Professours run posting to that Religion and worship which hath been in most request and highest esteem and hence it is whilst their Presbytery was best accepted of most of your Prelaticall ones proved Presbyterians and now Independency is in date and hath the day of it your Presbyterians turne Independents omnia pro tempore nihil pro veritate saith one or at least they gather together in the name of Independent Churches and such as are so called who are commonly the cruellest Persecutors and Petty-Popes over the poore Saints and over the Independents indeed Veram Ecclesiam non sequens sed persequens these being in their Judgements as rigid and inraged against the true Churches of Christ as the Presbyterians or Prelates And as one who hath the name of another great man therfore hopes to be the heire and have the day is in hot pursuit for the estate and will not compound for peace unlesse upon some unequall termes although hee hath no right thereunto so they and by their party they prevail to justle aside the just and true Heire indeed and to set him a begging for his livelyhood And yet it is possible a true Church of Christ shall bee prosecuted under another name too and that which is most odious it may bee But yet we will say as Isa. 63.16 Doubtlesse thou art our Father though Abraham be ignorant of us and Israel know us not Whilst our Cause is good our confidence is great our interest will hold when others forged Titles will not be worth two pence yet how impudent are some that like Praxiteles who made the poore people worship his Strumpet instead of Venus and under her name so they gull poore soules with a forme appearance and painted Picture These worshippers of the Forme are enemies to the Spirit and Power but let us not feare their frownes menaces nor malice but let us goe on though the bawling Curs run railing after the gallopping Passenger yet let