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A12940	A counterblast to M. Hornes vayne blaste against M. Fekenham Wherein is set forthe: a ful reply to M. Hornes Answer, and to euery part therof made, against the declaration of my L. Abbat of Westminster, M. Fekenham, touching, the Othe of the Supremacy. By perusing vvhereof shall appeare, besides the holy Scriptures, as it vvere a chronicle of the continual practise of Christes Churche in al ages and countries, fro[m] the time of Constantin the Great, vntil our daies: prouing the popes and bishops supremacy in ecclesiastical causes: and disprouing the princes supremacy in the same causes. By Thomas Stapleton student in diuinitie.	Stapleton, Thomas, 1535-1598.; Horne, Robert, 1519?-1580. Answeare made by Rob. Bishoppe of Wynchester, to a booke entituled, The declaration of suche scruples, and staies of conscience, touchinge the Othe of the Supremacy, as M. John Fekenham, by wrytinge did deliver unto the L. Bishop of Winchester.; Harpsfield, Nicholas, 1519-1575.	1567 (1567)	STC 23231; ESTC S117788	838,389	1,136

damnationem quia primam fidem irritam fecerunt Incurring damnation because they haue broken their first promise Againe in the first yeare of our gratious Queene the Acte of Parliament for making and consecrating of Bisshoppes made the .28 of kinge Henrye was reuiued And yet the Bisshoppes were ordered not accordinge to the acte but according to an acte made in kinge Edwarde his dayes and repelled by Quene Marye and not reuiued the sayde first yeare And yf they will say that that defecte is nowe supplied let them yet remember that they are but parliament and no Churche Bisshoppes and so no Catholike Bisshoppes as being ordered in such manner and fasshion as no Catholike Church euer vsed But thys is most to be considered and to be lamented of all thinges that wheras no Acte of Parliament can geue anye sufficient warrant to discharge a man from the Catholike faythe and wheras yt was aswel in king Hēries dayes by Acte of Parliament as euer before through out all Churches of Christendome sithens we were christened taken for playne and open heresie to denie the reall presence of Christes bodye in the Sacramente of the aulter for maynteining of the which heresie there is no acte of Parliamēt God be thancked neither of king Edwardes tyme nor in the tyme of our graciouse soueraygne Ladie and Quene that nowe is yet doe these men teache and preache and by writing defend and maynteine the saied greate and abhominable heresie with many other for the which they can shewe no warrante of anye temporall or spirituall lawe that euer hath bene made in Englande All this haue I spoken to shewe it is most true that I haue saied that there will neuer be redresse of errour and heresie or any staie where men are once gone from the vnitie of the See Apostolike which is the welspring and fountaine of all vnitie in the Catholike faith And touching this question of the Supremacie that we haue in hand if we wel consider it we shall find that we doe not agree either with the other Protestantes or with our selues For in this pointe that we make the Prince the supreme head of the Churche we neither agree with Luther him selfe or his scholers which denie this primacie nor with Caluin and his scholers the Sacramentaries Caluin saieth They were blasphemers that called King Henrie head of the Church One of his scholers Iacobus Acontius in a booke dedicated to the Queenes Mai. blameth openly the ciuil magistrate that maketh him selfe the Iudge of controuersies or by the aduise of other commaundeth this doctrine to be published that to be suppressed Nowe some of Caluins scholers and our owne countriemen haue taken forth such a lesson that they haue auouched in their bookes printed and publisshed to the world that a woman can neither be head of the Church nor of any Realme at all Againe manie of the Protestants though they will not the Pope should haue the chiefe gouernement because they like not his true doctrine yet they thinke it meete and conuenient that there be some one person ecclesiasticall that maie haue this supreme gouernement for matters of the Church It is also to be considered that the wordes of the Othe nowe tendered for the mainteining of the Princes Supremacie are other then they were in King Henries or King Edwardes daies with a certaine addition of greatest importance and such as to a ciuil Prince specially to the person of a woman can in no wise be with any conuenient sense applied I meane of these wordes Supreme Gouernour aswell in all spirituall or ecclesiasticall thinges or causes as temporall Such large and ample wordes were in neither of the foresaied Kings times put into the Othe And yet had they bene more tolerable in their persons for that men be capable of spiritual gouernmēt frō the which a woman is expresly by nature and by scripture excluded then they are nowe These wordes are such I saie as can not with any colourable pretext be excused Neither is it inough to saie as the Iniunctions doe that the Quenes Maiestie entendeth not to take more vpon her then King Henrie her father or King Edward her brother did what so euer that were more or lesse but it must be also considered what she or her Successours may take vpon her or them by the largenes of these wordes for an Iniunction can not limit an Acte of Parliament and whether there be any either Scripture or other good doctrine ecclesiastical sufficient to satisfie their consciences that refuse especially this Othe Which doth not only as it did before exclude the Apostolical See and all Generall Councelles also as though not in plaine wordes yet in effect in excluding the ecclesiastical Authoritie of al foren persons and Prelates but doth further adioyne the foresaied newe addition lesse probable and lesse tolerable then was any other parte of the former Othe And therefore certaine Protestants of some name and reputation being tendred this Othe by commission haue refused it Yea and how well trow you is this supreme Gouuernement liked of those Ministers which withstand the Quenes iniunctions touching the order of semely Apparell c Thus ye perceyue that as we are gone from the constante and setled doctrine of the Church touching this primacy so we agree not no not among our selues either in other pointes or in thys very Article of the Supremacy Neither shal we euer fynd anie cause of good and sufficiente contentation or constancye in doctrine vntill we returne thither from whence we first departed that is to the See Apostolike Which of al other people our Nation hath euer most reuerenced and honoured and ought of al other most so to doe As from whence both the Britaines and Saxons receiued first the Christian faith This returne God of his mercie graunt vs when it shall be his blessed pleasure Amen In Louaine the last of September An. 1567. Thomas Stapleton ¶ An Aduertisement to the Lerned Reader TOuching certain Authors alleaged in this Reply about matters of our own Countre it is to be vnderstanded that of certayne writen Copies not yet printed which we haue vsed as of Henricus Huntingtonensis and Gulielmus Neubrigensis or Noueoburgensis or Neoburgensis many thinges are in the said Copies which seme not to be writen of thē but of Some others As in the Copie of Henricus Huntingtonensis certayne thinges are founde which seme not to be writen of him but to haue bene gathered out of his workes and to haue bene writen by some other whom we coniecture to be Simeon Dunelmensis Also in the Copie of our Neubrigensis many thinges are added both at the beginning and at the ende which seme not to haue ben writen by Neubrigensis him self but by some other And that which is added at the beginning was writen as we vnderstand nowe of one Alphredus Beuerlacensis who liued vnder king Steuen The additions which do followe who wrote we yet knowe not except it were Roger Houeden This I

is not Luther the same man to yow that Donatus was to them doth not one of your greatest clerks there with you now write that Wyclyff begatte Husse Husse begotte Luther and thē addeth a shameful blasphemous note this is the seconde Natiuitye of Christe The Donatists being charged and pressed by the Catholiks to shewe the beginning and continuance of their doctrine and the ordinary successiō of their Bisshops were so encombred that they could neuer make any conueniente answer And are not ye I pray you with your felowes protestāt bishops fast in the same myre If not answer then to my thirde demaunde in the Fortresse annexed to S. Bede The Donatists fynding faulte with Constantine Theodosius and other Catholik princes ranne for succour to Iulianus the renegate and highly commended him And doth not M. Iewel I pray you take for his president against the Popes primacy Constantius the Arrian against Images Philippicus Leo Cōstantinus and such like detestable heretiks by general councels condemned Do not your self play the like parte in the Emperour Emanuel as ye cal him and in other as we shal hereafter declare Now who are I pray you Donatists for the defacing and ouerthrowing of Aulters for vilaining the holy Chrisme and the holy Sacrament of the aulter Which they cast vnto dogs which straitwaies by the ordinance of God fell vpon them and being therin Gods ministers made them fele the smart of their impietie It were a tragical narration to open the great and incredible crueltie that the Donatists vsed toward the Catholiks and especially their horrible rauishment of religious Nonnes And yet were they nothing so outragious as your Hugonots haue bene of late in France and the beggarly Guets here in Flandres namely about Tournaye The Donatists said of the Catholiks Illi portant multorū Imperatorum sacra Nos sola portamus euangelia They bring vs many of the Emperours letters we bring the only ghospels And is not this the voyce of all Protestantes whatsoeuer Only Scripture only the gospel only the word of God And for the first parte what is more common in the mouthes of the Germayn Lutherans of the French Caluinistes and now of the flemmish Guets then this complaint that we presse them with the Emperours Diets with the Kings proclamations and with the Princes placarts To the which they obey as much as the Donatists when they haue power to resiste Wel we wil nowe leaue of al other conference and cōparisons and tarry a litle in one more The Donatists though they were most wicked Murtherers of others and of them selues also killing them selues moste wretchedly without any other outward violence don to them yet were they takē of their confederats for Martyrs Of whome thus writeth S. Augustin Viuebant vt Latrones moriebantur vt Circumcelliones honorabantur vt Martyres They liued like robbers by the high way they died like Circumcellions meaning thei slew them selues they were honored as Martyrs And now where lerned M. Foxe the trade to make his holy canonisation in his deuelish dirty donghil of his fowle heretical ād trayterous Martyrs but of those ād such like scholemaisters As of the Montanists that worshipped one Alexander for a worshipful martyr thowgh he suffred for no matter of religiō but for myscheuous murther And of the Maniches that kepte the day wherein their maister Manes was put to death more solemply then Easter day Haue ye not thē in M. Foxe Sir Iohn Oldcastle and Syr Roger Acton canonised for holy martyrs though they died for high treason yea their names al to be painted dasshed ād florished in the kalender with read letters I thinke because we shoulde kepe their daye a double feaste Whose and their confederates condemnation for conspiringe againste the Kinge the nobilitye and their countreye appereth aswell by acte of parliament then made as by the full testimony of all our English Cronicles Is not dame Elleanour Cobhā a stowte confessour in this madde martyrloge whose banishment was not for religion but for conspiringe King Henry the sixts death by wytchrafte and sorcery by the help and assistance of M. Roger Bolinbroke and Margaret Iordeman commonly called the Witche of Aey The which two were openly executed for the same But nowe is it worth the hearing to know how handsomly M. Foxe hath conceyued his matters wherein he plaieth in dede the wily Foxe and springleth with his false wily tayle his fylthy stale not into the doggs but into his readers eies And as the Foxe as some hūters say when he is sore driuen wil craftely mount from the earth and kepe himself a while vpon the eather of a hedge only to cause the howndes that drawe after him to leese the sente of the tracte euen so for all the worlde hath our Foxe plaied with his reader But I trust I shal trace him and smel him out wel inoughe First then though M. Foxes authority be very large and ample in this his canonisation and such as neuer any Pope durste take vpon him yea and though he hath authority to make martyrs yet I dowbte whether he hath authority to make Knights to for this Sir Roger Onley is neither a Sir but of M. Foxes making nor Onley neither But M. Roger Bolinbroke only put to death for the treason before specified as not onely his owne authours Fabian and Harding whome he doth alleage for the story of Dame Elleanour but al other also doe testifie Truthe it is that Harding writing in English meeter and speaking of this M. Bolinbroke endeth one of his staues with this worde Only which is there to signifie no name but to better and sweate the meeter and is as much to say as chiefly and principally meaning that Maister Roger was the principal worker in this nigromancy The meeters of Harding are these He waxed then strange eche day vnto the King For cause she was foreiudged for sorcery For enchantments that she was in working Against the Church and the King cursedly By helpe of one M. Roger only Whiche last woorde some ignorant or Protestant Printer hath made Oonly And then hath M. Fox added a Syr and a Martyr too and adorned him with no common inke to set foorth and beutify his Martyr withal And so of M. Roger Bolinbroke sorcerer and traitour by a cunning Metamorphosis he hath made Syr Roger Onlye Knight and Martyr Wel wil ye yet see further the craftie dubling of a Fox walking on the eather of the hedge Consider then that for Margaret Iordaman that notable witch least if he had named her and M. Bolinbroke by their own names he had marred al the rost he placeth an other woman that by his owne rule died fortie yeares after And yet can he not hit vpon her name neither but is faine to call her in steed of Ione Bowghton the mother of the Ladie Yong who in deed is one of his stinking hereticall and foolish Martyrs For she craked ful

Supremacy to rest in the Clergy ād not in the Prince which must obey as well as the other And therefore it is not true that ye saye that M. Fekenhams cause is no deale holpen by this place nor your assertion any thing improued But let vs steppe one steppe farder with you M. Horne vpō the groūd of your present liberalytye lest as you haue begonne you pinche vs yet farder and take away all together from Bishops and Priestes Subiection you say and obedience to the word of God taught and preached by the Bishops c. is commaūded so wel to Princes as to the inferiour sort of the people If so M. Horne howe did a lay parliament vtterly disobey the doctrine of all their Bishoppes and enacte a new contrary to theirs What obediēce was there in that parliament so expressely required here by S. Paule and so dewe euen of Princes them selues as you confesse to their Bishoppes Will you say the Bishoppes then preached not Gods worde And who shal iudge that Shal a lay parliament iudge it Is that the obedience dewe to Bishoppes In case al the Bishops of a realme erred is there not a generall Councell to be sought vnto Are there not other Bishops of other Coūtries to be coūseled Is not al the Church one body In matters of faithe shal we seuer our selues frō our Fathers ād Brethern the whole corps of Christēdome beside by the vertue of an Acte passed by lay mē onely No bishops no Clerke admitted to speake and say his minde O lamentable case God forgeue our dere Countre this most haynouse trespasse Then the which I feare our Realme committed not a more greuous except the first breache in Kinge Henries dayes these many hundred yeares Yet one steppe farder The Prince must obey and be fedde at the Bishoppes hande you confesse What is that Is it not he must learne howe to beleue and howe to serue God Is it not the pastorall office as S Augustin teacheth to open the springes that are hidden and to geue pure and sounde water to the thirsty shepe Is not the shepeheardes office to strenghthen that is weake to heale that is sicke to binde that is broken to bringe home againe that is caste away to seke that is loste and so forthe as the Prophet Ezechiel describeth And what is all this but to teache to correct to instructe to refourme and amende all such thinges as are amisse either in faithe or in good life If so then in case the realme went a stray shoulde not they redresse vs which were pastours and shepheards in Christes Church If our owne shepheards did amisse was there in all Christendom no true Bishoppes beside no faithfull pastour no right shepeheard Verely S. Augustine teacheth at large that it is not possible that the shepheards shoulde misse of the true doctrine What soeuer their life or maners be But put the case so that we may come to an issewe Must then the Prince fede vs alter our Religion sett vp a newe stop the shepheards mouthes plaie the shepheard him self Is this M. Horne the obedience that you teach Princes to shew to their shepheards God forgeue them that herein haue offended and God in whose hands the harts of Princes are inspire with his blessed grace the noble hart of our most gracious Souerain the Quenes Maiesty that her highnes may see and consider this horrible and deadly inconuenience to the which your most wicked and blasphemouse doctrine hath induced her grace You are the woulfe M. Horne And therfore no marueile if you procure to tie the shepheard fast and to mousell the dogges The .158 Diuision Pag. 97. b. M. Fekenham And when your L. shall be able to proue that these wordes of Paule Mulieres in Ecclesijs taceant c. Let the wemen kepe silence in the Churche for it is not permitted vnto them there to speake but let them liue vnder obedience like as the Law of God appointeth thē and if they be desirous to learne any thing let them aske their husbands at home for it is a shameful and rebukeful thing for a woman to speake in the Church of Christ. When your L. shal be able to proue that these wordes of Paule were not as wel spoken of Quenes Duchesses and of noble Women as of the meane and inferiour sorte of Women like as these wordes of almightie God spoken in the plague and punishment first vnto our mother Eue for her offence and secondarily by her vnto al women without exception vidz Multiplicabo aerumnas c. I shal encrease thy dolours sorowes and conceiuings and in paine and trauaile thou shalt bring forth thy children thou shalt liue vnder the authority power of thy husbād and he shal haue the gouernment and dominion ouer thee Whan your L. shall be able to proue anye exception to be made eyther in these woordes spoken in the olde lawe by the mouth of God eyther in the wordes before spoken of the Apostle Paule in the newe than I shall in like māner yeelde and with most humble thankes thinke my selfe very well satisfied in conscience not onely touching all the afore alleaged testimonies but also in this seconde chiefe pointe M. Horne I doe graunte the vvoordes of the holie Scriptures in bothe these places to be spoken to al states of vvomen vvithout exception But vvhat make they for your purpose hovve doe they conclude and confirme your cause VVomen muste be silent in the Churche and are not permitted to speake That is as your ovvne Doctour Nicolaus de Lyra expoundeth it women muste not teache and preache the doctrine in the Churche neyther dispute openlye Therefore our Sauiour Christe dyd not committe to Kinges Queenes and Princes the Authoritie to haue and take vppon them .538 anye parte of gouernement in Ecclesiasticall causes As .539 though a younge Nouice of your Munkishe ordre shoulde haue argued Nunnes muste keepe silence and maye not speake in the Cloysture nor yet at Dynner tyme in the fraytrie therefore your deceyuer the Pope dyd not committe Authoritie to his Prouincialles Abbottes Priores and Prioresses to haue and take vppon them the gouernement vnder hym selfe in Munkishe and Nunnishe causes and matters VVhat man vvoulde haue thought Maister Feckēham to haue had so .540 little consideration although vnlearned as to vouche the silence of vvomen in the Churche for a reason to improue the Authoritie of Princes in Churche causes The .3 Chapter Of M. Fekenhams third reason taken out of S. Paule also .1 Cor. 14. Stapleton MAister Feckenham his thirde reason is that women are not permitted to speake in the Church and therefore they can not be the heads of the Church To this M. Horn answereth first that this place of S. Paul must be vnderstanded of teaching preaching and disputing and that therfore it wil not follow thereof that they may not take vpō thē any gouernment in Ecclesiastical causes And then being merily

warne thee of gentle Reader to th entent that if hereafter the foresaid Copies come forth in printe as this very yere Neubrigensis did and that the printed Copies haue more or lesse then we reporte out of the writen Copies thou may not suspect any falshood or forgery in vs but vnderstanding the case as we haue saied maiest take our dealing to be as it is true and sincere I herefore hauing conferred the printed Neubrigensis with the writen Copie and finding some difference as ofte as that which I alleage out of Neubrigensis is in the printed Copie so ofte I haue noted in the Margent the booke and Chapter of that Copie And when that I alleage is in the writen not printed Copie I note in the Margent Neubrig M.S. for Manuscriptus Againe in quoting the leaues of the Tomes of Councells I haue alwaies in maner folowed the former Copies printed at Collen in three Tomes Anno. 1551. Only towarde the ende of this booke I haue folowed the last edition of this present yere quoting the leaues according to that Edition and then for perspicuites sake I hau● added in the Margent Edit Postr Vale. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 AN ANSVVERE TO THE PREFACE THE PREFACE OF M. HORNE It is novve an vvhole yeare past since I heard of a book secretly scattered abroad by M. Fekenham emong his friends And in Aprill last I came by a Copie therof Vvhen I had read the booke and perceiued both the matter and the maner of the mans doings therin I savv his proofes so slender and his maner of dealing so shameles that I stood in doubt vvhat to do vvhether to discouer the man by vvriting or to shake him of vvith silence If I had not seene a further meaning in his setting forth and publishing the book .1 thē he durst plainely vtter or then his cunning could by any meanes ansvveare vnto or then that I vvith a good conscience mought haue neglected I vvoulde haue past it ouer vvith silence as a peece of vvoorke not vvorthy of ansvvere But seing the .2 chiefe end and principal purpose intēded as may be iustly gathered in publishing the booke vvas to ingrafte in the mindes of the subiectes a misliking of the Queenes Maiestie as though shee vsurped a povver and authoritie in Ecclesiasticall matters vvhereto shee hath no right to slaunder the vvhole Realme as though it vvere stranged and directly against the Catholike Churche renouncing and refusing to haue Communion therevvith And vnder my name to deface the mynisters of Christes Churche I could not choose oneles I vvould vvilfully neglect my duety to her Maiestie shevv my selfe ouermuche vnkinde vnto my natiue Countrie and altogeather become careles of the Churche Mynisterie but take penne in hand and shape him a ful and plaine ansvvere vvithout any curiositie T. Stapleton IT is to be knowen gentle Reader as I assuredly vnderstand that the Reuerent Father my L. Abbat of Westmynster M. Fekenham being prisoner in the Tower and supposing that the othe of the supremacie then passed in the Parliament holden at Westmynster in the fifte yere of the Queenes Maiesties raigne should foorth with as it was probable be tendred him and others gathered as it were in a shedule certain reasons and causes why he thought he could not with safe conscience receiue the said othe Minding to offer the said shedule to the Commissioners if any came The saied shedule M. Fekenham deliuered to M. Horne at Walthā a manour place of the Bishop of Winchester in Hamshier he being at that time there the said M. Horns prisoner by the committie of the Queene her highnes honourable Councel and that vpon this occasion In M. Fekenhams abode at Waltham there was daylie conference in matters of Religion namely of the principall pointes of this Treatise betwene him and M. Horne as him selfe confesseth In the which space he required M. Fekenham sundry and diuers times that he woulde by writing open vnto him the staies of his conscience touchinge the othe of the Queenes highnes Supremacie being the whole matter and cause of his trouble with no smal promises that he should susteine no kinde of harme or iniurie therby And in fine if there came no furder fruit or benefitte therof vnto him the whole matter should be safly folded vppe and left in the same estate where they beganne Wherevpon M. Fekenham thinking verely all things by him promised to be as truely meant as spoken made deliueraunce to M. Horne of a small Treatise deuised by him before his comming foorth of the Tower entituled The Answere made by M. Iohn Fekenham Priest and Prisoner in the Tower to the Queenes highnes Commissioners touching the othe of the Supremacie With this declaration also made vnto the said Master Horne that vpon the passing of the said statute he thought to haue deliuered the said Treatise to the Commissioners if any came as the staie of his conscience concerning the refusall of the foresaid othe And forasmuche as they came not he being as before is said vrged and pressed by the said M. Horne to open vnto him by writing the causes forcing him to breathe and staie vpon the taking of the foresaid othe made deliuerance of the very same Treatise deuised in the Tower with the foresaid Title and declaration Which Treatise being afterwarde encreased as wel by M. Hornes Answers as by M. Fekenhams Replies thervnto made after his return back againe to the Tower he sent one copie to the right honorable the L. Erle of Lecester and one other to Syr William Cicil Knight and Secretarie vnto the Queenes highnes with the same title that the printed book conteineth both of them being deliuered by M. Lieutenant of the Tower This shedule or litle Treatise M. Horne calleth a booke ▪ yea and that made with the helpe of the rest that he might seme after two yeares and more to haue done a worthy and a notable acte in answering six poore leaues for thereabout in M. Hornes booke amounteth the quantitie of M. Fekenhams Treatise and to haue made a great conqueste vpon M. Fekenham and his fellowes woorthie for this great martiall prowes to be if al other thinges faile a Prelate of the Garter This his Treatise was he forced to deliuer to the right Honorables as before for his necessary purgation concerninge suche false accusations and slaunders as Maister Horne had made and raised vppon him as shall heereafter in more conueniente place be specified VVherefore this beeing done as ye haue heard so plainly so simply and vpon such cause sheweth that M. Fekenham had no such meaning as M. Horne here falsly surmiseth As one who hadde his principall and chiefe regard how to satisfie his owne and not other mennes consciences howe to saue him selfe from slaunders and vntrue accusations and not to woorke with other men by perswasion VVherefore this is an vntrue and a false surmise of M. Horne as are the other two here also in saying that M.

morowe As in dede very properlye and truly George the Noble duke of Saxony sayed of the Lutheranes at Wittenberge when yet your Religion was scante out of her swadling clowtes What the faythe of my neighbours of wittenberge is now this yere I knowe But what it wil be the next yere I knowe not Yet you desire M. Feckenham to note here an other thing besides the Authoryty of this Noble Prince Charles the great for so you call him which you say was none other but the selfe same that other Princes from Cōstātin the great had and vsed which in deede is very true for they had none ne vsed none as hath bene proued and yet I maruayle where is then become the priuilege of S. Peters keyes sent to Charles Martell this mans grandefather if he had as you say none other but the selfe same Authoryte that other Princes from Constantin had If it was loste so soone then how is it true that you said before the heyres and successours of Charles Martell kepte these keyes form rusting If it was not lost how had he no more thē other which had S. Peters keyes more then other had But now to your note You will M. Feckenham to note that the holy Councel of Moguntia I am gladde you call it holy for thē you wil not I trowe misselyke with the diuision of the States there that I tolde you of euen now neyther with the Rule of S. Benets Order in that holy Coūcel straightly exacted doth acknowleadge and cōfesse in plaine speache him that is Charles the great to be the Ruler of the Churche in these ecclesiasticall causes Now shewe these laste wordes in these ecclesiastical causes in any parcel or place of the whol Councell in playne speache as you say and then M. Feckēham I dare say wil thanke you for your Note and for my parte I wil say you are a true man of your worde Which hitherto I assure you I haue litle cause to say or to thinke Your lying is almost comparable to M. Iewels Mary you are not in dede as yet so farre in the lashe as he is But if you come ones to Replying as he hathe done you wil be a Pinner I doubte not as well as he and telle your vntruthes by the thousandes For assure your selfe M. Horne as vera veris conueniunt so an vntrue and false doctrine can neuer possiblye be maintayned without horrible lying and mayne numbers of vntruthes M. Horne The .99 Diuision pag. 60. a. Pope Leo .3 as the French Chronicles and Nauclerus vvitnesseth sent foorthvvith after he vvas made Pope Peters keyes the Banner of the City and many other gifts vnto Charles requiring him that he vvold cause the people of Rome to become subiecte vnto the Pope and that by Othe Charles minding to gratify and pleasure Pope Leo there .314 vvas a cause vvherfore sente an Abbot on this busines and assured the people of Rome to the Pope by othe This Leo his streight .315 dealinges vvith the Romayns vvas so hatefull vnto them vvas brought shortly into much daungier of his life but farre more of his honesty Certaine of Rome came to Charles to accuse this Pope Charles putteth of the examination of the matter till an other time promisinge that he vvoulde vvithin a vvhile come to Rome him selfe vvhiche he did after he had finished his vvarres He vvas honorably receiued of the Pope The eight day after his cominge into Rome he commaunded al the people and the Cleargy to be called togeather into S. Peters churche appointing to here and examine the Pope touchynge that he vvas accused of in the opē assembly VVhē the Cleargy and the people vvere assembled the Kinge examineth them of the Popes life and conuersation and the vvhole company .316 beinge vvilled to say their mindes ansvveare that the manner hathe beene that the Popes shoulde be iudged of no man but of them selues Charles being mooued vvith so .317 sore greeuous an ansvveare gaue ouer further examination Leo the Pope saieth Platina vvho did earnestly desire that kinde of iudgement to geue sentence be 318. meaneth in his ovvne cause vvente vp into the pulpitte and holdinge the Gospels in his handes affirmed by his Othe that he vvas guiltles of all those matters vvherevvith he vvas chardged VVhereunto Sabellicus addeth the Popes owne testimonie of him selfe was so waighty as if it had beene geuen on him by other so muche auaileth a mans owne good reporte made of him selfe in due season .319 for vvante of good neighbours This matter if it vvere as the Popes flatterers vvrite thus subtily compassed although Martinus saith flatly that he vvas driuen to purge him selfe of certaine crimes laide to his chardge yet not vvithstanding the kinge toke .320 vpon him both to examine the matter and to determine therein and as appeareth tooke their ansvvere no lesse .321 insufficient than greuous although he vvinked at it bicause he looked .322 for a greater pleasure to be shevved him againe in consecratinge him Emperour promised longe before vvhiche this Pope perfourmed and solemply vvith great acclamations of the people crovvned him Emperour of Rome For saithe Platina The Pope did this to shewe some thāke fulnes againe to him who had well deserued of the Churche Stapleton This processe stādeth in the accusation of Pope Leo the .3 that certayne Romans made againste hym to Charles bearing with yt suche a wonderfull strength for the establishing of the Popes Supremacy that M. Horn may seme to play al by collusiō and to betray hys owne cause For now hath he by hys owne story auaunced the Pope so as he did also before in alleaging the Roman Councell in the tyme of Pope Sīmachus that he may be iudged of no mā For all the clergie and people of Rome make answere to Charles hym self that no mā cā iudge the Pope This writeth M. Horne owte of Platina and Sabellicus ād other writers be of the same lykenes ād agreablenes in writing with thē Howe then M. Horne Where is now your primacy become I trust now at the length ye wil discharge M. Fekēham frō this othe What say yow to your owne volūtarie allegation that no man forced yow vnto but the mightie truth to the bewraying of your false cause and your greate folly Yet leaste his sayde folly and preuarication shoulde be to open he will saye somwhat to yt because he maye seame to worke thowghe not as miraculously yet as wōderfully as euer did thys Leo who his tong being cut of by the roote as some mē write could speake neuerthelesse ād though his fowle lying mouthe against the Popes primacy be stopped by his own true declaratiō yet wil he speake not to any hys owne honour as Leo did but to hys vtter cōfusion ād shame Forsoth sayeth M. Horne Charles toke thys answere no lesse insufficient then greauous Wel sayde and in tyme M. Horne sauinge

blindnes ād superstitiō ād that heretiks only do se or the vnlerned ōly haue the pure worship of God But so it is That tyme cōdēneth this tyme. That Religiō cōdēneth yours And therefore you must nedes either cal thē blind or cōfesse your self blīd which you cā not possibly do because you are blīd in dede And why Forsoth because euer whē you looke vp toward the former ages you put vpō your eies a paire of spotted spectacles so that al that you se through those spectacles semeth also spotted fowle ād euil fauored vnto you And these spectacles are The cōtempt of the Church traditiōs A pride of your own knowledge in Gods word A lothsomnes of austere ād hard life to beare your own crosse with Christ. A preiudicat opiniō of preferrīg Caluin Melāchtō ād Luther before al the Catholik ād lerned fathers for so you cal thē of that age With such like If you wuld ones put of these foule spotted spectacles M. Horn thē wuld you neuer cal the time of Catholik ād lerned fathers a time of blindnes ād superstitiō but then would you se clerly your own blindnes and superstition Which with al my hart I pray God you may ones doe ere your dye M. Horne The .102 Diuision pag. 63. a. Although herein Lodouicꝰ Charles his son vvere somvvhat inferior to his father Yet notvvithstādīg he .327 reserued these Ecclesiastical causes to hīself ād vvith no lesse care be ordred the same although in some thīgs being a very mild Prīce he vvīked ād bare ouer much vvith the .328 ambitiō of the Popes Shortly after vvhā as the forsaid Leo vvas departed vvas Stephē next elected Pope ād vvithout the cōfirmatiō of thēperour tooke the Papacy vpō hī Al the histories agree that he came shortly after into Fraūce to thēperor but vvherfore most of thē leaue vncertain Platina thinketh to auoid the hursey burley in the City that vvas after the death of Leo. Sabellicus thīketh thēperors coronatiō to be the cause Nauclerus saith he wēt in his own person vnto thēperor Lodouik .329 about or for the Church matters vvhich 330 proueth that thēperour had chief authority in ordering the Church busines But our English Chronicles as some vvriters affirme do plainly declare that his cōming into Fraūce vvas to make an excuse of his vnlaufull consecration against the decrees made to Charles by his predecessours Adriā and Leo fearing therefore the sequele of the matter he first sent his Legats before hī to be a preparatiue to his purgatiō and aftervvards came hīself to craue his pardō And the rather to please thēperor brought a most beautiful crovvn of gold for hī and another for the Empresse 331 vvherof folovved as Naucle saith Oīa quae petiit à pio Imperatore obtinuit he obteined whatsoeuer he asked of the godly emperor Novv vvhē Stephē had dispatched al his matters he retourned home and shortly after an other ecclesiastical cause happened for vvithin a vvhile the bishop of Reatina died and there vvas an other chosen And whē the sea of Reatina saith Nauclerꝰ was void the Pope would not cōsecrat the elect Bishop onles he had first licēce therto of themperor The circūstances of this story make the matter more plaine The erle Guido had vvritē vnto Pope Stephē to cōsecrat that bishop vvhō the Clergy and the people had elect but the Pope durst not enterprice the matter till he vvere certified of thēperors pleasure and therupō vvriteth agaī vnto Th erle the tenor vvhereof folovveth after Gratianus report I haue red your letters wherī you require me to cōsecrat the newly elect Bisshop of Reatin chosen by the cōsent of the Clergy ād people least the Church should be long destitute of a propre pastour I am sory for the death of the other but I haue deferred the consecratiō of this for that he brought not with him themperors licence vt mos est as the maner is I haue not satisfied your mind herein leste that the Emperour should be displeased at my doing Therefore I require you for otherwise I ought not to medle to purchase the Emperours licēce directed vnto me by his letters vt prisca consuetudo dictat as the auncient custome doth wil and then I will accomplishe your desier I praie you take not this my doing in euil parte VVherof it is manifeste inough saith Nauclerus that of the Emperours at that time the Bishops had their inuestitures although Anto doth glosse otherwise saying that perhaps this electe Bisshoppe was belonging to the Court who ought not to be ordered Not only the textes of many decrees in this distinction doth confirme this to be true but also Gratian him self and the glossars do in manie places affirme that this was the auncient custome and cōstitution in the Churche that the election● of the Bishoppes of Rome and of other Bishops also should be presented to the Emperours and Princes before they might be consecrated The .11 Chapter ▪ Of Lewys the first of Steuē .1 Paschalis .1 Eugenius .1 and Gregory the .4 Popes of Rome Stapleton LVdouicus sonne to Charles the great confirmed the popes election and had the inuestitures of bishops Be yt so M. Horn if ye wil what then Haue you forgotten that al that Authoryty was geuē to his father Charles the great by Adrian the pope and that he helde that onely of the Popes gifte Agayne many hundred yeares together ere this tyme Fraunce Italie Spayne England and many other contreis were vnder thempiere of Rome Would ye therfore inferre your argument frō that tyme to our tyme and make those countries nowe subiect to the Empire bicause they were then Yf ye doe litle thank shal ye haue for your labour And truely the argument holdeth aswel in the one as in the other And when al is done your cause of supremacie standeth as yt did before Yet is the fyne and clerkly handlyng of the matter by M. Horne to be withall considered who like a wanton spanell running from hys game at riot hunteth to fynde the cause why Pope Stephen whome the stories call an Angelicall and a blessed man came to this Emperour into Fraūce He telleth three causes out of three certaine and knowē Authours ād then telleth vs that Nauclerus sayeth he came for Churche matters and so ful hādsomly concludeth thereby that the Emperour had the chiefe Authoritie therein which is as good an argument as if a man would proue the woman to whome Kyng Saule came and consulted with for certaine his affaires to haue bene aboue the King Your Authour Nauclerus doth specifie what these causes were that is to intreate themperour for his enemies and for the Romans that had done suche iniurie to Pope Leo of whom ye haue spoken and to pardon other that were in diuerse prisons in Fraūce for the great owtragiouse offences done against the Churche The good Emperour satisfied hys desire ād so he returned to

the mischiefe sprang VVhen the Pope vnderstoode of his comming he prepared to receiue him in moste honourable vvise and vvith suche humilitie behaued him selfe tovvardes the Emperour and shevved suche faire face of repentaunce that the vvell meaning Emperour thought he had meant as he pretended and svvare the Pope to obedience and loyaltie against Berengarius and Adalbertus as Luithprandus vvriteth and so returned into his countrie This Luithprandus is the more to be credited for that he vvas liuing a famous vvriter and .356 Deacon Cardinall euen in the same time The Pope immediatly against both Othe and honesty .357 practised vvith Adalbertus to depose this godly Emperoure and promised him by Othe his aide The reason or cause why Iohn the Pope shoulde hate this moste godlye Emperoure who had deliuered him out of the handes of Adelbert his ennemie and wherefore the Deuill shoulde hate God his creatoure seemeth not to be vnlike For the Emperoure as we haue had good experience vnderstandeth things pertaining to God he worketh he loueth them he mainteineth with maine and mighte the Ecclesiasticall and Temporall matters he decketh them with manners and amendeth them by lawes but Iohn the Pope is against all these thinges The Emperoure seeketh by diuerse vvayes to reconcile this Pope and to bring him from his filthy life to some honesty and regarde of his office VVhan by no persuasions he can vvinne him he determineth to depose him and .358 for that purpose he calleth a Councell of the Bisshoppes of Italie to the end he may seke the refourmation vvhich he mindeth and savv to be ouermuch nedeful by their aduise Pope Iohn .359 seeing him selfe to be tried by a Synode runneth avvay vvhen al the people savv their Pope vvas runne avvaye from them they svvare fidelity to th' Emperor promising by their Othes that they vvould neuer hereafter elect or make any Pope vvithout the consent of the Emperour VVithin three daies after there vvas a great assemblie in S. Peters Church at the requests of the Bisshops and people In vvhich Councell sate the Emperour vvith many Archebisshoppes and others to vvhom the godly Emperor propoūdeth the cause of their assemble exhorteth thē to do al thīgs vvith vpright iudgemēt ād the Bisshops deacōs Clergy ād al the peple make solempne protestation and obtestat●on of their iust and vpright dealing in the cause propounded And because the chiefe matter touched the Pope that vvas runne avvay the holy Synode said if it seme so good to the godly Emperour let letters be sent to the Pope and cyte him to come and purge him selfe The letters vvere directed in this fourme Otho by Goddes grace Emperour with the Archebisshops of Liguria Tuscia Saxonia and Fraūce send greeting in the Lord to Iohn the Pope VVe comming to Rome for our Seruice to God and enquiring the cause of your absence from your Church were enformed by the Bisshops Cardinales Priestes Deacons and the whole people of such shameful doings by you as we are asshamed to rehearse whereof these are parte they charge you with Murder periurie sacrilege incest with twaine of your owne sisters that in your banquetes which is horrible to be rehearsed ye drinke wine in the loue of the Deuill in your plaie at dice you craue the helpe of Iupiter Venus and other Diuels wherefore we pray you to repaier vnto vs your selfe To this the Pope vvriteth this ansvvere I heare saye ye will make an other Pope which if ye attempte I excommunicate you all that ye may haue no licence or power to order any c. To this short ansvvere the Emperour vvith the Synode replieth telling him that they had vvritten to let him vnderstand of the crimes vvherevvith he vvas charged and that he had sent them such an ansvveare as rather became the folly of a childe then the grauitie of a Bisshop as for the povver of bind●ng and losing they say he ones had as Iudas had to vvhom it vvas saide Quaecunque ligaueritis super terram c. VVhat so euer ye binde on earth shal be bound in Heauen c. But novv he hath no more povver against the Emperour and the Synod then Iudas had vvhen he vvent about to betraie Christ his Maister These letters vvere sent vnto him by tvvo Cardinalles vvho returned not finding him and therfore the Synode procedeth to his deposition They beseche the Emperour to remoue Monstrum illud that Monster and to place some vvorthy bisshop in his roome Tune Imperator placet inquit quod dicitis Your request pleaseth me saith the Emperour 360. The Clergie and the people saith Nauclerus doth make humble supplication vnto the Emperour to prouide for them a vvorthy Bishoppe to vvhom the Emperour ansvvereth Choose you your selues one 361. whom hauing God before your eyes ye may iudge worthie and I wil confirme him The Emperour had no sooner spoken this saith Luithprandus than they all vvith one assent named Leo The Emperour gaue his consent Et Ottho Imperator Leonem creat Pontificem and Ottho the Emperoure created Leo Pope as Sabellicus and Platina saith Here Luithprand tell●th at large hovve after this creation of Leo the Emperour .362 dissolued the Synode and vvhat mischiefe the Monstruous Pope Iohn vv●ought aftervvard For by his friends in Rome Pope Leo vvas driuen avvay And after this Monster vvas deade the Romaines elected Benedictus in his place and requireth the Emperoure vvho vvas than at Spolet to confirme him the Emperoure vvoulde not but compelled them to receiue Leo againe And heere the Emperoure summoned againe a nevve Synode vvherein he .363 satte him selfe for the Canonicall deposition of Benedictus notvvithstanding this sayth Nauclerus Leo being vveary of the inconstancy of the Romaines did constitute by their consent in the Synode holden at Rome that the vvhole authority of chosing the Bishop shuld remayne in the Emperour at it is rehearsed in the decrees in these vvordes Being in the Synode at Rome in the Church of the holy Sauiour lyke as Adrianus Bisshop of Rome graunted to Charles the great the dignity of patricianship the ordering of the Apostolical sea and the inuesturing of Bishops So I also Leo Bishop of Rome seruaunt of Goddes seruaūtes with the cōsent of all the Cleargy and people of Rome doo constitute confirme and corroborate and by our Apostolicall authority wee doo graunt and geue vnto the Lorde Ottho the first King of Dutchmē and to his successours in this kingdome of Italy for euer the authoritie to elect after vs and to ordeine the Bishop of .364 Rome and so Archbisshops and Bisshops that they receiue of him as they ought the inuesturing and consecration .365 excepting those whō the Emperour hath graūted to the popes and Archebisshops And that no man hereafter of what dignitie or Relligiō so euer haue power to elect one to the dignitie of Cōsules bloud or to be bisshop of the .366 Apostolike See or to make any other bisshop without

may serue you also for that ye alleage concerning Robert groshead sauing that I may adde this withall that he were a very Groshead in dede that would belieue you either when ye say to M. Fekenham whome ye call S. Robert seing M. Fekenham speaketh no woorde of this Robert no more then he doth of Robyn goodfellowe or that this story should make against the Popes primacie seing that your owne authour Fabian saith that this Robert being accursed of the Pope Innocentius appealed from his courte to Christes owne cowrte A manifeste argument of the popes supremacy As for Frederyk the Emperours episte to Kinge Henry what so euer he writeth against the Pope ye would be loth I suppose it shuld take place in Englād For then farewel your goodly Manours as Walthā Farnhā ād such other Neither were your gētleman Vssher like to ride before you barehead but both he and you to goe a foote or rather your self to go barefoted al alone M. Horne The .128 Diuision pag. 79. a. Levves the Frenche King called S. Levves vvho as Antoninus saith was so instructed euen from his infancy in all the wisedom of diuine and good orders that there was not found his like that kept the law of the high God c. made a lawe against those that blasphemed the name of the Lorde adioyning a penalty of a whote yron to be printed in the transgressours forehead Also in the yere of the Lorde .1228 He made a Law against the Popes fraudes concerning the preuentions and re●eruations of the reuenues and dignities Ecclesiastical complayning that the Pope had pulled from him the collations of all Spirituall promotions ordeining that from hence foorth the election of Bisshops Prelates and al other whatsoeuer should be free forcible ād effectual to the electors Patrones ād collatours of thē Also the same yere he set forth an other Law agaīst Simony cōplainīg of the bieyng ād sellīg of ecclesiastical dignities He made also certain godly Lavves against vvhoredome and Fornicatiō Laste of all in the yeere of the Lorde .1268 he set foorth the Lavve commonly called Pragmatica Sanctio vvherein in amongest other Ecclesiastical matters against the Popes pollinges he saith thus Item in no case we wil that exactions or greuous burdens of money being laide on the Churche of our Kingdome by the Courte of Rome whereby our Kingedome is miserably impouerished be leuied or gathered nor any hereafter to be layed excepte only for a reasonable godly and moste vrgent cause of necessity that can not be auoided ād that the same be don by our expresse .438 biddinge and commaundement of our own accord .439 The .26 Chapter Of S. Lewys the French King Of Manfred and Charles King of Sicilia and Apulia Stapleton LEwes his Lawe against those that blasphemed the name of God maketh not him supreame head of the Churche Ye mowght haue put in as your authour doth those also that blaspheme the name of his blessed mother But the mention of this woulde haue greaued some of your sect that haue compared our Ladie to a saffron bagge making her no better then other women And what yf you or your confederats had liued then that say it is Idolatrie to pray to her and to praye her to pray for vs to her sonne Iesu Christe shoulde not ye haue had suppose you great cause to feare the printe of the hotte yron ye speake of As for the collations of spiritual promotions this Lewys bestowed none such as his predecessours by especial licences and priuileges had graunted vnto them frō the bisshops of Rome And that as I haue ofte said proueth no superiority of gouernemēt in Ecclesiastical matters except by the same reason you wil make euery Patrone of a benefice to be supreme gouernour in all Ecclesiasticall matters to his owne Vicar and Curate The embarringe of Exactions from the Courte of Rome is nothing derogatorye from the Spiritual power or Iurisdiction of the Churche of Rome For they are not vtterly embarred but the excesse of thē is denied ād in any reasonable godly or vrgent cause of necessity they are graunted as your selfe alleage But to better a litle your badde cause you haue with a double vntruthe ended your allegation For where the King saieth Nisi de spontaneo expresso cōsensu nostro not without our voluntary and expresse consent you turne it by our expresse bidding and commaundement and that it might seme to hāge of the Kings pleasure only you leaue out ipsarum Ecclesiarum regni nostri and of the Churches of our kingdom But what nede we lese more time in making more ample answer seing it is moste certaine that this Kinge and his realme acknowleadged the Popes Supremacye as muche then as euer since euen to this daye For where was your newe great Charles Friderike the seconde deposed from his Empire by Pope Innocentius the fourth but at Lyons in Fraunce And in whose Kinges dayes but of this Lewys Who defended many yeares together the Popes of Rome Innocentius the .4 Alexander the .4 Vrbanus the .4 and Clement the .4 againste the Emperour Frederike who therefore by treason went about to destroye him but this Kings Lewys Who warred him selfe in person againste the Sarracens at Thunys at Clement the Popes request but this Lewys Who also before that making his voyage into the holy lāde against the Souldā tooke benediction and absolution of Pope Innocentius the .4 lying thē at the Abbye of Cluny in Fraunce but this Lewys And did not the sayed Clement make by his Authoritye Charles this Lewys his brother King of Sicilia and Apulia And wil you make vs nowe beleue M. Horne that this Kinge was suche a Supreme Gouernour as you imagine Princes ought to be or that in his tyme the Popes Supremacy was accompted a forrayne power in Fraunce as it is with you in Englande No. No. M. Horne Seeke what age and what Countre you wil you shal neuer finde it while you liue M. Horne The .129 Diuision pag. 79. b. Conradus Conradinus and Manfredus .440 stil kepte the priuilege of the foresaide Ecclesiastical matters in Sicilia and Apulia Shortly after this tyme Charles the King of Sicilia and Apulia had .441 al or most of the dooing in the elelection and making of diuerse Popes as of Martyn .4 Celestyn .5 Boniface .8 c. Stapleton To these matters of Sicilie I haue already more then ones answered and doe now say again that this priuilege consisted only in inuesturing of bisshops graunted by Alexander the .3 and after reclaymed by Innocentius the .3 Whereby it wel appereth that this allegation maketh rather with the Popes Primacy then against it but most of all in this place For Pope Alexander the .4 declared this Manfredus the Romain Churches enemy as he was in dede and a traytour also both to Conradus his brother and to Conradinus his nephewe both inheritours to that kingdome both

disposed he saith this Argumēt is much like as if a yong Nouice shuld reason thus Nūnes must kepe silēce in the Cloisture therfore the Prioresses haue not the gouernment in Nūnish causes and matters Cōcerning the first part of his answere I say that the argument is good ād sufficiēt For if teaching preaching and disputing in matters of religiō be causes and matters ecclesiastical and if womē be imbarred frō this then is there a sufficiēt cause why M. Fekenham may not take this othe that a woman is supreme head in al causes spiritual ād ecclesiastical Namely to erect and enact a new and proper religiō throughout her realme by the vertue of her own proper and supreme gouernmēt For to this end M. Horn is the othe tēd●ed It is to euidēt It can not be dissembled Againe the said place of S. Paul is of the order and māner of expoūding of scripture as it appeareth by the text If then S. Paul forbiddeth a woman to expoūd scripture how can a woman take vpon her to be the chief iudge of al those that expoūd the scripture I mean in that very office of expoūding Scripture in decreeīg determining and enacting what religion what beliefe what doctrine shal take place And such shee must nedes be if she be a supreme head Suche do you and your fellowes make her Such authority you M. Horn throughout all this boke attribute to your new supreme heads Emperours and Kīgs by you alleaged You make them to preache to teache and to prescribe to the Bishops in their Coūcels what and how they shal do in their ecclesiasticall matters If then by you a supreme Gouerner in ecclesiastical maters must be so qualified as to be present in Councels of Bishops to prescribe rules for the Bishops to follow to determine what they shal do and to cōfirme by royal assēt the decrees of bishops yea and to make them selues decrees and cōstitutions ecclesiastical but a woman by S. Paule may not ones speake in the Church that is in the Cōgregatiō or assembly of the faithful and by you a womā may not preache teach or dispute vndoubtedly both by S. Paul and by your own cōfession a womā can not be a supreme Gouernour such as the Othe forceth mē to swere I say supreme gouernour in al ecclesiastical causes No nor in so many causes by a great deale as you pretend in this your booke other Kings and Princes to haue practised supreme gouernmēt in Cōsider now M. Horne how it may stād with S. Paules doctrine that a woman may be a supreme gouerner in al ecclesiastical causes namely such as you in this boke would make your Reader beleue that al Emperours Kings and Princes hitherto haue bene Now put the case as we saw it viij yeres past that in a doubtful matter of doctrine and religion to be tried by scripture the whole number of bishops agree vpō some determinate and resolute exposition with their Clergie and would by an Ecclesiastical law of Cōuocation or Councel set forth the same Al their resolutiō and determination is not worth a rush by your Othe and by your maner of talke in this booke if the Prince doe not allowe and cōfirme the same And how this wil stād with S. Paul in this chapter tel vs I pray you presupposing as the statute requireth that the Princes allowing though she be a woman is necessary And now are ye come to th●s point and driuē therto by the force of this place to say that the place doth not proue but a womā may haue some gouernmēt in ecclesiastical causes As though the Questiō were now of some gouernmēt only and not of Supreme and absolute Gouernment in al maner thinges and causes ecclesiastical If therefore this place do proue that a womā hath not the Supreme and absolute gouernement in all causes ecclesiasticall but that in some and them the chiefest she must holde her peace as yt doth euidētly and ye can not denie yt then is M. Fekenham free frō taking the othe of the supremacy and then hath S. Paule vtterly confuted that Othe and your whole booke withal This I say also as by the way that yf this chapter must be taken for teaching preaching and disputing as M. Horne saith and truely that M. Iewell went far wide frō S. Paules meaning when he applied yt to the cōmon seruice of the Church whereof it is no more meāt thē of the cōmō talke in tauernes As for M. Hornes secōd mery mad obiectiō no mā is so mad to make such an argumēt but hīself And therfore he may as long and as iolily as he wil triūph with him self in his own folly Yet I would wish M. Horne to speake wel of Nunnes were it but for his grandsir Luthers sake and the heauēly coniunctiō of him and a Nonne together Which vnhappy cōiunction of that Vulcā and Venus engēdred the vnhappy brood of M. Horn ād his felowes But that this folish fond argumēt is nothing like to M. Fekenhās argumente yt may easely be proceiued by that we haue alredy and sufficiently sayde M. Fekenham The .159 Diuision pag. 98. a. The third chiefe point is that I must not only sweare vpon the Euangelists that no foraine personne state or potentate hath or ought to haue any power or authoritie Ecclesiastical or Spiritual within this Realme but also by vertue of the same Othe I must renounce all forraine power and authorities which for a Christian man to doe is directly against these two Articles of our Crede Credo sanctā ecclesiā Catholicā I do beleue the holy catholik ●hurch Credo Sanctorū cōmunionē I do beleue the cōmuniō of saints And that there is a participatiō and cōmunion amongest al the beleuers of Christes Church which of the Apostle Paule are called Saincts Adiuro vos per Dominū vt legatur haec Epistola omnibus sanctis fratribus And herin I do ioyne this issue with your L. that whā your L. shal be able to proue by Scripture Doctor General Coūcell or by the cōtinual practise of any one Church or part of al Christēdome that by the first Article I beleue the holy Catholik Church is meant only that there is a Catholike Church of Christ and not so that by the same article euery Christiā man is bound to be subiect and obedient to the Catholike Church like as euery member ought to haue obediēce vnto the whole mystical bodie of Christ. And further when you shall be hable to proue by the second Article I dooe beleue the Communion of Saints is not so meante that a Christian man oughte to beleeue such attonement suche a participation and communion to be amongest al beleeuers and members of Christes Catholike Churche in doctrine in faith in Religion and Sacramentes but that it is laufull for vs of this Realme therein to dissent from the Catholike Churche of Christe dispersed in all other Realmes and that by a corporal Othe it is laufull for

vntruthe for by ●ou they may take al vpō them ergo this also The .535 vntruthe mere slaūderous Concerning this vvorde Priest Exod. 28. Ioelis 1. Vlulate Ministri altaris Hiere 33. Sacerdotes Ministri mei Heb. 10. Act. 13. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Augu lib. 20. de Ciuitate Dei cap. 10. Hebr. 7. Oecumenius sentence of the sayd sacrifice Sacerdos in aeternū Psal. 19. Tu es sacerdos in aeternū secundū ordinē Melchisedech Consider M. Ievvels ansvvere to the sayed Oecumenius M. Ievvels hypocritall dissimulation In his reply fo 75. Ievvell fol. 503. Vid. 2. Cōc Nicenum actio 4. Non. 1. vt in Ievvell pag. 517. Fol. 580. Nos Christiani propemodum quid sit ara quid sit victima nescimus Nicenae 2. synodi Act. 4. fol. 517. col 2. Pudore sufsundantur Iudaei qui proprios reges et alienos adorātes nos Christianos tāquam idololatras irrident Nos aūt Christiani oībus in ciuitatib regionib indies et in horas singulas cōtra idola stamus armati cōtra idola psallimꝰ cōtra idola preces fundimꝰ Et qua tādem fronte Iudaei nos vocant idololatras Vbi nunc sunt quae olim ab istis oblatae sunt idolis boū ouiū filiorum quoque victimae vbi sacrificiorū fumi vbi arae et perfusiōes sanguinū Nos verò Christiani propemodum quid sit ara quid sit victima ignoramus M. Horn. denying the sacrifice maketh a playne vvay for Antichriste Daniel 12. Quum ablatum fuerit iuge sacrificium Aug. de ciuit Dei lib. 20. ca. 23. 29. Prosper de diuinis pro niss praedict dimid temp cap. 13. Hier. in dict cap. 12. Primas in apoc li. 3. cap. 11. Greg. l 32. in Iob. 14. An ansvvere to M. Horne for M. Fekēhās trāslating of the vvord 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pascere vel regere 2. Reg. 5. T● pasces ●opulum meū Israel iueris dux super Israeel Cui praecept vt pasceret populum meū ca. 7. Psalm 77 pauit eos in innocētia cordis sui So dothe also the Englishe trāslation of the nevv testament p●īted at zuric●●n .1550 In his Replie pag. 239. The shepherdes office resembleth most properly the Bishopes Office Genes 31. Chrysostoms saiyngs touching the spirituall gouernement Lib. 3. de dignitate Sac●rdotij Ibidē li. 6. Porrò illū ipsū oportet tantò oībs rebus illis p̄stare ꝓ quib intercedit quātò parē vt subditos praefectus excellat Cū aūt ille spiritum Sanctū inuocauerit sacrificiūque illud horrore ac reuerētia plenissimū perfecerit cōmuni omniū manibus assidue pertractato quaero ex te cat Locus altari vicinus in illius honorē ꝗ imolatur angelorū choris plenus est Id quod credere abūde licet vel ex tanto illo sacrificio quod tū peragitur Iliad ● The Princes supremacy ou●rthrowen by that that M. Horne him selfe graūteth De correptione gratia c. 3 De fide operibus Cap. 2. Cùm in Ecclesiae disciplina visibilis fuerat gladius cessaturus De correp gratia Cap. 15. Con●ra ●duersur legis prophetarum lib. 1. Cap. 17. Luc. 12. Math. 10. c. 28 Augustin vt suprà De fide operibus Cap. 2. Act. 20. De ciuit Dei li. 20. cap. 10. See the force of truthe Heb. 13. The .536 vntruth As before in the 531 532. and 533. vntruthes The 537. vntruth Your assertion is thereby vtterly īproued and ouerthrowen for then the prīce is not supreame gouernor in all causes M. Feckēhams .2 reason Hebre. 13. In Comm. Ibidem 1. Reg. 2. Vide Dionysium 1. reg 2. Augustin epist. 50. 1. Cor. 4. 5. Epiphan haeres 42. li. 1. tom 3 Augustin de verbis Dom. sec. Ioā serm 34. Ezech. 34. In lib. de pastoribus Cap. 10.11 13. 1. Cor. 14. Gen. 3. The .538 vntruthe M Feckenham reasoneth not so But thus Therefore vvomen can not take vppon them the Supreame gouernement in all causes c. The .539 vntruthe The argument is nothing like The .540 vntruthe This argument is made vvith good and greate consideration as shall appeare M. Feckēhams 3. reason 1. Cor. 14. The .541 vntruth It conteineth an argumēt that M Horne shal neuer assoyle The 542. vntruth Slaunderous and iniurious The .543 vntruth For they are 2. diuers articles not one Clemēs in compend de fide The .544 vntruth The cōmō opiniō of lerned mē rekoneth more thē 12. Articles The .545 vntruth As before The .546 vntruth They are plaine cōtradictory one to an other as shal appeare The .547 vntruth ioyned vvith impiety The catholike Churche that you by othe renoūce is the Church of Christe not of antichrist The definition of the catholique Churche* vnperfect as shall appeare The .548 vntruth You haue no agre●ment consent or vnite of doctrine amōge your selues The .549 vntruth mere slanderous The 550. vntruth M. Fekēhā saied not so of the Realme The 551. vntruth It is right true that in effect you do so as it shall appeare The .552 vntruth For M. Fekenham saied not that it is so but that by Othe you make it so vvhich is true as it shal be proued The .553 vntruth Notorious The Othe speaketh of Euery foraine Prelate not of a foraine prelat You are novv ashamed your selfe of the Othe M. Horne The 3. chief pointe In hoc cōmuniter cōcordant Theologi canonistae Gull Linvvood in cōstit prouinc de summae trinit ca. 1. §. item alij D. Thom. 2.2 q. 1. Arti 8. Host. Io. And. in rub de sum trinitate Ruffinus ī symbolo M. Horne depraueth M. Fekenhās argumēt The othe cōtrarye to an Article of our crede An other contradiction betvvē the Othe and an article of our Creede VVat it is to renoūce the authorite of euery forrayn prelate Confes. lib. 3. Cap. 8. Epist. 118. ad Ianua Beda lib. 1. cap. 17. Bed lib. 2. cap. 4. Idem lib. eodem ca. 19. Epist. 48. ad Vincentium Cōt Dona. post collationē ca. 4 Lib. de vnitat Ecclesiae c. 4. Act. 4. pag. 304. 306. To. 2. Concil M Fekenhā clered A foule shift vsed by M. Horne M. Horns definitiō of the Churche M. Horns Church cōpared to the schismatical temple of Samaria Iosephus de bello In daico li. 7. ca. 30. de Antiq. lib. 11. ca. vltimo Ioan. 4. Deut. 12. 2. paral 7. Iosephus antiq l. 11. cap. vlt. Lib. 12. ca. 1. Ant. Idē lib. 13. ca. 6. Ant. Nevves out of Flaūdre● for M. Horn and his brethern Vide Franciscū Philippū Surium Galat. 1. In Cōfut Ministrorum Antvverp fol. 92. 93 Vide Tiletani praesat ad Senatū Antvverp 1. Cor. 14. The .554 vntruth It is not lauful for any Prīce to take it The .555 vntruth Horible and Protestante lyke The .556 vntruth Extreme slaunderous as al the world knoweth yea M. Horne him self The .557 vntruth The companie of catholykes is