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A08219 An epistle sent vnto tuuo daughters of VVarwick from H.N., the oldest father of the Familie of Love ; with a refutation of the errors that are therein, by H.A. Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622?; Niclaes, Hendrik, 1502?-1580? Epistle sent unto two daughters of Warwick. 1608 (1608) STC 18553; ESTC S1318 62,756 66

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God By Christ or righteousnes H. N. sayth he meaneth the being like Christ not any ceremonial Christ so he seemeth to esteem the playn doctrines of the gospel to be but ceremonial that wheras we read there of one Jesus to be crucified for our syns c. this he coūteth but a ceremonie shadow or figure such it may be as was the ram that Abraham offred or the beasts that Aaron killed or perhaps the parable that Jotham told for the true Christ that saveth men is the Lovely being that is in the Familists themselves this idol hath their god H. N. out of his prudency according to his fleshly mind set vp And this is a great secret or mysterie of iniquity H. N. 5. Herevpon my beloved mought ye or som other say we learn not or ther is not any thing taught vnto vs then out of the clear scripture which may not lie Yea my beloved the scripture lyeth not but al those which ar not instructed through the spirit of Christ they lie are beguiled signify or expoūd the scripture which is spokē through the holy Ghost shewed out in the spirit of life Iohn 6. vpon an earthy or elementish foundation wherthrough the man can not obteyn or get any renewing of the hart Even like as in the witnessing of the scripture ther is witnessed sufficiently to those that can vnderstand the same Who is ther without the word of the Lord which is spirit life Iohn 6. that hath atteyned vnto the salvation or who hath I beseech you in any world brought forth any true witnes vnlesse that he through the Spirit of the Lord which is his word become altogether born anew● H. A. UUE are sure the sacred scripture l●●th not but H. N. which abus●th and falsifieth the scripture and denieth Jesus to be the Christ making Love and the Lovely Being in himself and his familie to be Christ as we have heard is by the Apostle condemned for a Liar and an Antichrist 1 Ioh. 2. 22. and he not being instructed through the Spirit of Christ hath taught an earthly and rotten foundation to the ruine of true religion The scripture cannot rightly be vnderstood or opened but by the Holy Ghost that is the gifts of the holy Ghost But some have the gifts of the Spirit which yet are not themselves altogither born anew as had Balaam the Scribes and Pharises Caiaphas Judas the traitor and others many which as the Apostle sayth Heb. 6. 4. were once lightned have tasted of the heavenly gift were made partakers of the holy Ghost Therfore it is false which H. H. writeth that none in any world brought forth any true witnes vnlesse that he became altogither born anew Againe he here brocheth another error in expounding the Spirit of the Lord to be his word which H. N. in his grosse vnderstanding perversly gathereth from Christs words Iohn 6. 63. the words that I speak vnto you are spirit wherby our Lord meaneth that his words were spiritual not that they were the Holy Spirit it self For he vseth the like phrase of a spiritual and regenerated man saying Except a man be born of water and of the spirit he cannot enter into the kingdome of God and that which is born of the spirit is spirit Iohn 3. 5. 6 Now seing H. N. describing his Communialty of the Love sayth Whosoever cometh into this good city he becometh altogither born anew in the spirit he may by like reason conclude that himself and his Nicholaitans are also the holy Spirit and so be a blasphemer against the Holy Ghost as he is against the Father and the Son The Scriptures teach vs playnly to distinguish between the word and the Spirit of the Lord this latter being cause and author of the former as it is written 2 Sam. 23. 2. The Spirit of the Lord spake in me his word was in my tongue and of al the prophets it is witnessed that they spake as they were moved by the holy Spirit 2 Pet. 1 21. The Apostle sayth this is the word which is preached among you and how they preached it an other sheweth when he sayth that by the spirit of God they knew the things given them of God and spake those things not in words which mans wisdom teacheth but which the holy Spirit teacheth that al men may see how ignorantly if not worse H. N. hath confounded the word and the Spirit of the Lord as if they were one thing H. N. 6. Note wel or consider of fellowship the estate or manner of the Apostles how that they although they went about so long tyme with Christ wer alwayes with him whiles the power of God was wrought through him vnderstood not what the mind of the Lord was concerning the godly causes before that the day of Pentecost or Whitsontide when that they received the holy Ghost was come vnto them Even like as there standeth written how that they sayd at the tyme when Christ was crucified among them we had hoped or supposed that he should have delivered Israel and it is now the third day and ther cometh nothing of it we wil goe a fishing For they supposed that Christ should have set vp a fleshly kingdom H. A. HEre H. N. to magnify himself as a spiritual and godded man spareth not to wrong the holy Apostles as if they before Pentecost Acts. 2. vnderstood not the scriptures nor preached the word truly wheras it is evident that they were sent and had preached the word long before Luk. 9. 1. 2. which word Christ had given them and they received Iohn 17. 8. 14. and were made clean by it Iohn 15. 3. and he had opened their vnderstanding to vnderstand the scriptures Luk. 24. 45. though afterward at Pentecost they received more plentifull graces of the spirit when Christ was gone from them Act. 2. 1. 2. 4. c. Again H. N. as if he delited to falsify the scripture sayth there standeth written how that they sayd when Christ was crucified we hoped that he should hav delivered Israel c. wheras these words were spoken by Cleopas and an other disciple which were none of the Apostles as appeareth Luk. 24. vers 18. 21 33. and to make vp his patcherie he addeth that they sayd it is now the third day there cometh nothing of it we wil go a fishing Wheras those two spake not at al of going a fishing but other men at an other time Ioh. 21. 3. By this the reader may mind what credit is to be given to H. N. his allegations of scripture who careth not to profane the holy word for maintenance of his lies and setteth things down as they come in his idle head But why say I so of this godded man seeing men ought not to distrust him nor suspect any manner of evil or vnwisdom by this Oldest Father whose eysight as himself sayth was clearer then Chrystal his vnderstanding brighter
the spirit of error that possessed him he takes Christs death for vs to be a holy life in vs as before is more largely shewed Vnsound it is and savoring of a fātastical spirit that he opposeth in the end the services and ceremonies which ar ministred through the comaundement of the holy Ghost out of a Christian like being vnto the service fashioned like to the scripture For ther is no service commanded by the holy Ghost but it is fashioned like to the scripture and hath the ground and warrant therfrom otherweise it cometh from the Spirit of Satan and not from God For Gods Spirit leadeth men into al truth Iohn 16. 13. and it is Gods word which is the truth Iohn 17. 17. The three that bear witnes in heaven The Father the Word and the holy Ghost as they ar in Being so are they also in their testimony one 1. Ioh. 5. 7. As the doctrin of Christ was not his own but the Fathers that sent him so neyther is the doctrine of the holy Ghost his own but the sons that sent him as Christ witnesseth saying he shal not speak of himself but whatsoever he shal hear he shal speak and agayn he shal glorify me for he shal receiv of mine and shal shew it vnto yow Now seing the holy Ghost teacheth no other doctrine then Christ nor Christ then the Father and seing Christ himself sendeth al men to serch the scriptures as they which testify of him and his Apostle hath taught vs that the knowledge of the scriptures is able to make vs wise vnto salvation through the faith which is in Christ Jesus we may veryly deem it to be a delusion of Satan whatsoever any would teach vs towching Gods service that is not warranted by the scriptures and that those are spirits of errour which so disdeyn and scoff at scripture-learning and boast of illumination by the holy Ghost Vnsound also it is and contrary to the scriptures that H. N. here would perswade vs that where it commeth not to passe that the holy Ghost which is the pledge of the godly inheritance is not received vnto them there is not the Christian service ministred For the Apostle sheweth that Israel had the true Christian service ministred to them when they did al eat the same spiritual meat and drink of the spiritual Rock which followed them which Rock was Christ yet received they not the Godly inheritance which is the holy Ghost for with many of them God was not pleased they were overthrown in the wildernes and could not enter into the Rest of God because of their vnbeleef The Christian service was rightly administred to Simon Magus whē he was baptised yet was not his hart right in the sight of God also vnto Iudas when he did sit and eat with the other Apostles yet even then Satan and not the holy Ghost entred into him Even so with vs the true Christian service in the administration of the word seales and censures is set forth and practised though many receiv it into evil harts and vnfaithful to their greater condemnation But the elect of God are edified comforted and confirmed in his grace hereby though these are not many for many be called but few elected Mat. 20. 16 Agayn H. N. hath here set down that which overthroweth the whole scope of his writing when he sayth Those services cerimonies which are ministred through the commandement of the holy Ghost out of a Christian-like Being they have the promises whiles they are rightly obeyed c. If thus it be then ought all Christians to labour and seek for those services and ceremonies as he calleth them that so they may obteyn the promises then also must they shun and refreyn from al false and humane ceremonies or services which have no promise and are but the profaning of Gods name And this is our cause fayth and practise which witnes against and absteyn from the Antichristian services and ceremonies of Popery for which doing the world hateth and persecuteth vs from which profession practise and patient suffering this writer would diswade and allure to communion with wickednes by the vayn pretenses set forth in this Letter as after more playnly foloweth H. N. 21. Oh how wel should they doe which do now extol themselves before the simple and say that they are preachers of Christ if they would first learn to know Christ before they made themselves ministers of him They wil preach the word of Christ and yet they have not according to the Spirit seen the fashion or shape of Christ or heard of the same in any world They say the scripture witnesseth vnto vs that we for Christs cause should forsake our lives the which according to the truth is very true but the most part which speaks so much thereof they themselves vnderstand not the mind or meaning of God in that which the scripture sayth namely how that we must hate and forsake our own life or els we cannot be the disciples of Christ. Therfore mark wel therevpon not only vpon that but also vpon al the witnessings of the scripture 22 Oh vnderstand advisedly what I doe write of the forsaking of our own life When God had created the man then was the man in subjection to the life of God and not to his own life for therevnto God had created the man that he should be of one life one being one Spirit and of one nature with God But when the man desyred in his hart to love some other thing beside the life of God namely the concupiscence of the syn then went he into his own life and contentation and forsook the life of God and lived even so his own life and the life of the Divil 23. The whiles now that the office of Christ hath his ministration for to bring the man agayn vnto God the Father so cannot Christ bring the man to the Father vnlesse that the man forsake his own life which he hath lived so long to the Divel and to himself which is al that same wherin he hath sought loved lived to himself 24. Is not this now a great overshooting or misunderstanding that the children of men can say and teach that Christ meant hereby the natural or elementish man H. A. IT had been wel in deed if H. N. who so extolleth himself before the simple sayth that he is a preacher of Christ yea Godded with God would first have learned to know Christ before he hade made him self a minister of him For now being ignorant of the principles of religion and a meer stranger from the life of God he hath perverted al things to his own and ther mens perdition Witnes this his corrupt doctrine about the forsaking of our own life Wherin he first and generally seeketh to colour his iniquity with deceit and fraud For to perswade that we need not give our lives our natural elementish lives for
Christs cause at any tyme which is a doctrine of the serpent he maketh a discourse of our spiritual life in synn and the old man corrupted with vices that we ought to lay down and forsake which we al acknowledge to be a truth And from this he gathereth a great overshooting and misunderstanding of such as say Christ meant the natural or elementish man which is a false and deceitful conclusion We know that these both are required at our hands the one which is the mortifying of lusts and synful affections of al men if they would be saved the other which is a suffering of natural death for Christs sake of so many as God calleth thervnto in times of persecution But H. N. vrgeth the one that he might abolish the other with as good reason as if one should perswade vs not to serv or worship God with body because Christ sayth we must worship him in spirit or as if to defend fleshly filthynes he should reason in this manner The wordome which God condemneth is the whoring with mens own inventions Psal. 106. 39. the fornication with stones and stocks Ier. 3. 9. the going a whoring after other Gods Deut. 31. 16. Is not this then a great overshooting or misunderstanding that the children of mē can say teach of that commandement Thou shalt not comit whordom Deut. 5. 18. that God meant hereby fleshly whordom done by the natural or elemētish man Loe this is the mould of H. Ns argument and may as truly be alleged for defence of carnal fornication as he allegeth it for defēce of carnal idolatry which he would perswade these two daughters to commit with the man of syn rather then to suffer bands or death for the witnesse of Christs truth Neyther is it to be thought but he thus vnderstandeth in deed the 7. commandement who so erroneously vnderstandeth and expoundeth the second for the maintenance of his fleshly ease But Oh he woulde have vs vnderstand advisedly what he doth write of the forsaking of our own life God sayth H. N. had created the man that he should be of one Life one Being one spirit and of one nature with God this he meaneth as before we have seen to be godded with God and that the man should be al that God was Which blasphemous error I have before by the scriptures refuted Neither doth H. N. confirm his cursed doctrine here by any scripture because in deed he cannot For al that the scripture sayth is that God created man in his own image and likenes Gen. 1 26. 5. 2. but that the man should be of one Being with him it sayth not but H. N. hath forged it out of his arrogant mind who would thrust himself into Gods throne The image of God is expounded by the Apostle to be in knowledge righteousnes and true holynes and H. N. addeth to be of one Being which if it had been true then could not man have fallen any more then God himself and if he had had the same life essentially with God then should he have ben immortal and incorruptible death could never hav seised on him 1. Tim. 6. 16. So H. N. must eyther deny the fal and corruption of man wherof not onely the word of God but nature it self and dayly experience wil convince him and himself yeeldeth or els he must hold a God subject to corruption and mortalitie Which if he doe then is he a monster among men and a wonderment to the very hethen For wheras the Stoiks of old esteemed their Gods subject to al humane changes and corruption a hethen man writing against them sayth It may be one may meet with some barbarous and savage men that think ther is no god but ther hath not been any one man found who thought their was a God and yet the same not free from corruption and eternal Let this errour therfore which draweth such hethenish and blasphemous consequences after it returne into H. Ns. bosome wher first the Serpent hatched it The next deceit wherwith he would beguile his reader lieth in this word Life wherby he meaneth mans cariage or conversation according as the Apostle speaketh of walking in newnes of Life Rom. 6. 4. wheras the Life which Christ telleth vs we must be ready to lay down for his sake is an other thing both for Name and signification For the Name is Psuche the sowl Luk. 17. 33. 9. 23. 24. which word howsoever we may translate Life because the sowl is the life of the body yet can we not take it for a Life or conversation whch the Apostle in Rom. 6. caleth Zoe Wheras therfore H. N. speaketh of the Life of God and then of mans own life and life of the Divil as if Christ spake or meant of it when he speaketh and meaneth of the Sowl and natural life herein he vseth fraud and not Christian simplicity or ells bewrayeth grosse ignorance Which may yet further be thus proved Our saviour speaketh of such a Life as himself layd-down for vs saying I lay down my life for my sheep now let H. N. say what life that was whither it were not his very natural and elementish life as he caleth it for I hope he wil not be so wretched as to say that Christ had any wicked synful life or life of the Divil in him to lay down seing we know that in Christ ther never was synn or if he should be so absurd as to say it yet Christ him self wil convince him saying I lay down my life that I might take it agayn for was he to take agayn a synful life far be it from Christian thoughts Now from this example of Christ the Apostle reasoneth thus Hereby have we perceived love that he layd down his Life for vs therfore we ought also to lay down our lives for the brethren So then what Life or Sowl Christ layd down for vs the like ar we to lay down for our brethren and for Christ himself as Peter sayd he would but that was no synful life or conversation but the natural life which he did lay down therfore ours must be the like Agayn this is further confirmed by Christs words saying he that looseth his life or sowl for my sake shal find it meaning in the world or life to come but I hope we shal there find no synful life such as H. N. fansieth Christ here to mean Agayn the words folowing make it more playn Christ saying For what should it profit a man though he should win the whole world if he loose his own life or sowl But it is our greatest profit to loose our synful life Of that therfore Christ speaketh not as any reasonable man may perceiv So the Psyche sowl or life which we must be ready at Gods pleasure to lay down for Christs cause is not onely the synful life but also the natural life of the natural or elementish man and H.