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A13160 A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel. 1602 (1602) STC 23454; ESTC S117867 337,059 440

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popes vsurped supremacy for which his grosse head fit to beleeue all fond fables was neuer framed falsification 44 Out of Abdias which he confesseth to be an apocryphall author he telleth that Iohn the Euangelist by Christs perswasion did neuer desire mariage as if Christ were an enemy to mariage falsification 45 He saith that it was Simon Zelotes that was maried when Christ was present in Cana of Galiley Tom annal 1. p. 122. Antwerp and turned water into wine and declareth how the memory of that miracle being celebrated in the Church the vi day of Ianuary diuers riuers and fountaines that day ranne wine Matters méerely fabulous and which bring christian religion into question if not into contempt being auouched without any good ground falsification 46 Pag. 132. he alloweth the epistle of Abagarus to Iesus Christ and his epistle also to Abagarus which by the testimony of Gelasius c. sancta Rom. dist 15. are testified to be apocryphal and by the letters themselues appeare to be forged falsification 47 In the same place also he reporteth that our Sauiour Christ printed his image in a cloke and sent it to Abgarus The painter should haue taken the portrait but saith Baronius for the beames that came from his countenance he could not doe it He sheweth also that by this image diuers miracles were done and all this to confirme the worship of images falsification 48 Pag. 157. he telleth vs that by diuine and humane lawes one chiefe bishop both in time past did and ought to decide all ecclesiasticall controuersies But the place Deut. 17. and diuers places of the new testament doe shew this to be a notorious vntruth as I haue shewed in my bookes de Pontifice Rom. falsification 49 Pag. 167. he telleth out of Euthymius that the rich man Luc. 16. was called Nynensis and doubteth not to affirme that this was a story and not a parable because diuers churches are erected in the honour of Lazarus but the fathers thinke otherwise And the naming of tongues fingers and other things which are corporal where our Sauiour talketh of soules doth shew this discourse to be parabolicall and the papists to be idolaters that worship their owne fancies and imaginations In the meane while it is no hard matter to discerne Baronius to be a fabler falsification 50 Pag. 176. he would make his reader beléeue that our Sauiour did celebrate his passeouer in S. Iohn the euangelists house But Simeon Metaphrastes denieth it which is often alleadged by Baronius as a graue witnesse and the words of the gospell séeme to speake of the owner of that house as of a stranger falsification 51 Pag. 191. he saith Missa is deriued from the Hebrew or Chaldey word but Bellarmine his fellow telleth him Lib. 1. de missa he is deceiued In the same page he alleadgeth the counterfeit epistles of Pius ad Iustum and Cornelius ad Lupicinum and other forged writings and all to shew that the word Missa was vsed in their times falsification 52 Out of Gregory of Tours he reporteth this fable that diuers making thonges put them about the piller whereto Christ was tyed when he was scourged and that the same heale diuers diseases He would haue tolde vs als● if he could haue brought any proofe for it that the same piller is to be shewed in Saint Peters Church at Rome for that is a Romish tradition but he perceiued that he had tolde a lye sufficient alreadie And thus we may sée albeit I tell not all how many lies are contained in the beginning of his first booke of Annales being by iudgement of all men the best and most frée from lyes and yet I neither touch his errors in Chronology nor much meddle with his forged and false writings After this he telleth things most incredible and yet without good testimony of any man of credit Of S. Paul he writeth that his head being stricken off there issued out milke in steade of bloud He telleth also that Peters chaines being kept by Plautilla worke great wonders and saith that when Iohn the Euangelist wrote the gospell it thundered and lightened as when the lawe was giuen in mount Sinah Infinit such strange tales are contained in his huge legends If then we would doe him right we should rather call them Aniles fabulas then Annales CHAP. IX A sampler of Robert Parsons alias Coobucke his manifold falsities and lies taken out of diuers libels and pamphlets published by him NOw I come to Robert Parsons alias Coobuck a man I confesse vnworthy to bee ioyned with Bellarmine and Baronius being farre inferiour to them in learning yet in regard of his falsehood and treacherous dealing comparable with the most wicked and shamelesse Iebusite of the whole order and with the most false packer of all the popish faction His scholers beléeue that he is learned but if his trecherous complots and packings were not more to be feared then his learning he were not to be reputed halfe so dangerous as we finde him The which albeit I meant not here to dispute being without the reatch of my purpose yet because I would not haue euery such woodden fellow as Philip Woodward alias Owlyglasse for so men call the author of the detectiō to take exceptions vnto my sayings as destitute of proofe I will briefly verifie in this place and that by two of his bookes which his followers for learning workmanship beléeue to be singular If any man néede any further trial he may if he please read my reply to his wardword where I haue sounded his learning to be very shallow The first of the two is entituled a briefe discourse containing certaine reasons why papists whom falsely he termeth Catholikes refuse to go to Church and this booke Parsons vnder the maske of Iohn Howlet a fit name for such a night-bird doth presume most impudently to offer to her Maiesty The next is called a christian directory and commonly knowne by the name of Parsons his resolution His former discourse is wholy grounded vpon this rotten foundation that the popish religion which the Iebusiticall faction and their followers by all their witte learning and other meanes séeke to promote is the true Catholike religion This being the foundation of the worke if he had béene a wise builder he would haue confirmed and proued so strongly that her Maiesty before whom he pleadeth might haue conceiued well of his cause and allowed of his reasons but alleadging no one word to prooue this the whole worke doth not onely fall to the ground but also ministreth matter that may be turned backe vpon himselfe and employed to the hurt and preiudice of his clients For as it is a good reason if the popish religion be the true christian religion to mooue men to refuse all religions opposite vnto it so if the same be false odious trecherous damnable then neither haue papists any reason to professe it nor others to beare with those that obstinately defend it but
of one onely massacre committed anno 1572. variis in locis per illud tempus trucidata fuisse dicta sunt in Gallia and so extraordinary was the fury of the papistes that they spared neither age sex nor quality vel puberes vel impuberes saith he trucidati sunt neque vllius sexus vel aetatis vel dignitatis habita est ratio neither may we thinke that they haue shewed lesse cruelty against christians in Spaine Italy or Germany as for the realme of England it hath sufficient experience of the aduersaries extreme rage and cruelty by the short and bloody raigne of Queene Mary And can any christian man notwithstanding endure to nourish vp yong wolues and tygers within our bosomes The r Apocal. 17. Romish harlot is drunke with the blood of the saintes and hath her garments made red with the slaughter of innocentes that therefore which Optatus lib. 2. contr Parmen saith of the Donatistes may with good reason be applied to papistes Iacerati sunt viri tractatae sunt matronae in fantes necati abacti partus ecce vestra ecclesia episcopis ducibus cruentis morsibus pasta est for by the Romanistes many innocent christians haue bene tormented and murdered women haue bene abused infantes haue bene cut in péeces women haue bene forced to loose their children and they haue fedde themselues with cruelty and the popes of Rome and their agentes haue bene ringleaders in these cruell executions they are therefore professed enimies rather then members of Christes church argument 53 The catholicke church neuer shewed more fauour to Iewes and infidels then to Christians that misliked the pompe tyranny and corrupt doctrine maners of the popes or bishops of Rome for with her children the church dealeth like a kinde mother most mildely she correcteth them if they offend genly and instructteth them carefully contrariwise she auoideth those that will not heare her admonitions and conuerseth not with them Christian emperors ſ Hac valitura C. de Iudaeis Caell●olis excluded the Iewes from all gouernment and authority in the common wealth t ibidem they did also restraine their insolencies with diuers sharpe lawes the like u Cod. de paganis sacrif templ course also they tooke with pagans and infidels shutting vp their impious temples and forbidding their sacrifices and idolatries but the Romish sinagogue doth procéede by a contrary course for she massacreth and murthreth christians resembling that vnnatural whore that before Salomon would haue the childe in controuersy cutte in peeces but the Iewes and wicked atheistes she nourisheth so they meddle not with the popes scuruinesse the popes by their inquisitors and executioners torment christians and receiue tribute of Iewes that dwell quietly in Rome x Onuphr in Alexandr 6. Alexander the sixt receiued Turks and Maranes into Rome when the Spaniardes could not endure them in Spaine and all popes shew more fauour to Turks than to such Christians as come within the reach of the Spanish or popish inquisition argument 54 The true church neuer sought either by forgery and falsification of mens writings or by lying and slandering to aduance the cause of religion for trueth is sufficient and strong enough of it selfe and néedeth not to be supported with falshood and lies Among ancient Christians false witnesses and slanderers were so fare from being estéemed in the church that they were quite excluded out of the church as appeareth by the acts of the councell of Agatha c. 27. and councell of Eliberis in Spaine c. 73. 74. but the church of Rome perceiuing that she cannot preuaile by plaine trueth and honest dealing goeth now about by suppressing of trueth and forging of counterfeit canons and false writings and by all maner of vntrueths and slanders to abuse the ignorant and simple multitude the scriptures as much as she can she suppresseth in vnknowen languages and corrupteth by making the olde Latin translation authenticall she deuiseth and spreadeth abroad false traditions and setteth out falshood vnder the names of false canons and constitutions vnder the name of the apostles false canons of councels counterfeit treatises set out vnder the name of Origen Athanasius Ambrose Nazianzene Hierome Chrysostome Augustine Epiphanius and other fathers forged decretale epistles vnder the names of Clement Anacletus Euaristus and other ancient bishops of Rome that were neuer acquainted either with such matters or such a stile Of late time most audaciously the Popes agents haue taken vnto them power to put out and to put in and to change what they list in mens writings of which forgery their expurgatorie indexes do plainly conuince them Bellarmine he with all his witte wresteth scriptures and fathers to serue his cause Caesar Baronius out of Simeon Metaphrastes Iacobus de Voragine Surius and such like fabulous legends hath sent vs from Rome whole cartlodes of lies To help him Alanus Copus or rather Harpsfield Alfonsus Ciacone and diuers popish companions haue set out diuers notorious and ridiculous fables finally to disgrace the trueth by slanderous accusations of such as haue shewed themselues forward in defence of it the popish faction hath hired Sanders Robert Parsons Creswel Cope or rather Harpesfield Genebrard Surius Cochleus Stapleton Allen Ribaldineira Bolsecus Laingius and other such like sycophants to raile aswell against princes as inferiour ministers can this company then be the true church that delighteth in lying slandering railing cogging and plaine forging argument 55 That cannot be the true church that offereth sacrifice to other then the true God that made heauen and earth qui sacrificat dijs eradicabitur praeterquam domino soli saith y Exod. 22. God to Moyses S. z De ciuit Dei lib. 10. c. 4. Augustine saith that God only is to be serued with sacrifices of praises and thankesgiuing and to haue the worship of Latria done to him Iohn Apocalyp 22. fell downe vt adoraret ante pedes angeli that is that he might worship before the feet of the angel but the angel forbad him and said vide ne feceris see thou do it not and afterward Deum adora The papists also confesse that the worship of sacrifices is due to God alone Sacrificium saith a Lib. 1. de missa c. 2. Bellar. est externa oblatio facta soli Deo he addeth superfluously the word externa for if we may not offer externall sacrifices to creatures much lesse may we offer our internal deuotions and sacrifices vnto them But the Romish church doth offer the sacrifices of incense of praiers and thanksgiuing not only to God but also to angels to the virgin Mary and to other saints In their Letanies they call vpon the virgin Mary vpon the angels vpon saints they confesse their sinnes to them and yéeld them thanks for benefits receiued neither do they offer incense only to saints but to their images either planted on the altar or néere vnto it finally they confesse that they say masses in the honour
at Grotta Ferrata if that were materiall it will be verified by diuers priests if they be asked on their othes Why any man should beléeue this lying compagnion that speaketh without proofe or probabilitie there is neither colour nor cause He excepteth also against that which I say of the number of Priests that were likewise to come with the Spanish army and thinketh that a hundred Priests could not then bee found there being then but two Seminaries Rome and Rhemes and not aboue fiftie in both But he should be an eloquent fellow that could perswade me to beléeue that lying mate without all proofe Why I should beleeue the contrary I can alleadge good reasons For first this being the ende of the erection of the Seminaries to reduce England vnderneath the Popes yoke we are not to doubt but that all the English of the Seminaries should haue béene emploied in that action and the whole sinke of treason let out Secondly albeit in the Seminaries there were not so many Priests to be found yet might that number haue béene filled vp by diuers other priests that liued here and there dispersed Her Maiesty hauing dismissed and banished aboue fiftie priests that deserued death by her lawes rather then banishment not past two or thrée yeares before These therefore and others should haue come into England Neither would that barking curre Stapleton haue fayled if he could haue séene opportunitie to hurt those against which he had so long barked Thirdly diuers priests now in Englād testifie that many priests were to come with the Spanish forces Finally Allen in his wicked libell reporteth that priests came with the Spanish forces to serue euerie mans spirituall necessities But how could that be vnlesse the number were competent Among the rest I am enformed that R. Parsons should haue come with his assistants and whole councell of reformation and that to auoide idlenesse in the meane time he holpe to write and publish the most wicked declaration of Sixtus quintus against her Maiestie It may be also Owlyglasse had an ore if not in the fléete yet in the army or els was in England to attend the comming of it Let him therefore thanke God that he is not sought out and punished as a traytor that endeuoureth to plead the cause of traytors And let all indifferent men iudge whether I haue not said truely and he most falsely both concerning Allen and the Priests The third obseruation as he saith is that my deali●… doth declare the weakenesse of the cause I maintaine the little conscience I possesse and small learning I am maister of For so it pleaseth our great maister Owlyglasse in a pang of popish zeale to rayle And his reasons are for that a good cause needeth not the helpe of lies and a good conscience will not be strained beyond the limits of truth and sinceritie These venerable sentences the execrable Iebusites and massepriests pare and pole most dispiteously as their poling indexes expurgatorie and their treatises in the Popes cause plentifully declare nor pare nor pole the venerable sentences of antiquitie nor a man of learning frame such arguments as flie ouer his aduersaries and may be driuen backe vpon his owne head And this he speaketh standing vpon his tiptoes and looking vpon himselfe very prowdly and verily beléeuing that he hath spoken very brauely and almost eloquently But if he had better looked vpon himselfe his conscience and cause he would haue extended more fauour to vs his poore friends himselfe being a sot of 24. carats and deuoid of all learning and conscience hauing giuen proofe of his learning in his miserable detection and hauing his conscience grounded on the cases of conscience resolued by Allen and Parsons and Peter Nauarrus that teach men against all conscience to play the villaines and so a man stand for the Pope to sweare and forsweare and finally to doe what a man list so he haue the Popes faculties for it And what face had he to talke of sinceritie his cause standing vpon falsifying of fathers lying of legends counterfaiting traditions rayling vpon innocents cogging of fabulous histories and vpon deuising of fraudes and impostures to abuse the world His want of learning I say is proued by his weake and base talent of writing wherein it appeareth he could not so much as tell how to frame a sentence or how to vnderstand the things he handleth Alleadging but two words of latin pag. 30. he sheweth he can no latin vsing the plurall for the singular saying prope initia where a latinist would haue said prope initium or rather in principio quoting one verse he marreth it pag. 4. his testimonies are Hierom Verdussen and English almanacks such proofes as a man may haue three or foure for a groate his arguments are such as I haue declared in my answere His want of conscience may I say appeare by the most damnable resolutions of cases of conscience of Nauarrus and other Romish casuistes and especially the resolutions of Allen and Parsons Vide resolut casuum conscientiae nationis Anglicanae per A. P. two rather diuels then diuines teaching nothing but how their schollers may forsweare themselues deny their names and profession and play the traitors in which cases of conscience Owlyglasse without conscience séemeth to be well practised The third is made manifest by the fabulous lies of Caesar Baronius lying Romish legendes counterfeit canons and writings lately published and such euidence as I shall in part hereafter discouer and that to the great griefe of this detector if he be not a man stupide altogether and sencelesse This also doth touch the cause of poperie in generall for if a good cause néede not to be supported with lies and fables then is the Popes cause very bad that cannot stande without lies If a good conscience will not be strayned beyond the limits of truth and sinceritie nor pare nor pole the venerable sentences of antiquitie then hath Bellarmine and Parsons no good conscience For Parsons maketh no conscience to tell any lies as I haue prooued in my answere to his woodden wardword and the priestes haue notoriously prooued in all their bookes against him and his trecherous faction Againe then haue the Iebusites no conscience that lie and falsifie according to the rules of their order and that most shamefully Le catechisme de Iesuites as is proued in their Catechisme Thirdly then hath the Pope no conscience that by his lewde and trecherous indexes and by his Talmudicall traditions and peruerse expositions hath taken a course to corrupt both scriptures and fathers If they haue no learning whose arguments conclude not effectually but may be retorted backe vpon the faces of the proponentes then if Owlyglasse be iudge neither hath Bellarmine nor Stapleton any learning For in diuers of our treatises we haue made their arguments to rebound backe vpon them As for my selfe I referre my cause to be tried by any indifferent man that shall reade Owlyglasses obiections