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realm_n for_o most_o just_a consideration_n even_o for_o the_o better_a government_n of_o the_o college_n be_v otherwise_o full_a of_o youth_n have_v license_v be_v in_o the_o number_n of_o the_o twelve_o preacher_n choose_v according_a to_o statute_n to_o continue_v in_o their_o felowship_n with_o one_o live_v beside_o to_o a_o certain_a value_n if_o there_o be_v the_o like_a provision_n in_o other_o place_n and_o the_o same_o furnish_v with_o such_o kind_n of_o man_n the_o state_n of_o diverse_a college_n in_o cambridge_n will_v not_o be_v so_o tumultuous_a as_o it_o be_v touch_v the_o party_n themselves_o against_o who_o you_o so_o bitter_o whette_v your_o tongue_n the_o fello_n defend_v against_o the_o poison_a tongue_n tongue_n upon_o the_o same_o cause_n and_o quarrel_n you_o do_v against_o i_o this_o i_o will_v speak_v unfeyned_o as_o i_o shall_v answer_v before_o god_n and_o the_o world_n they_o be_v sober_a honest_a wise_a quiet_a man_n faithful_a and_o learned_a preacher_n 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2._o 3._o you_o say_v all_o these_o come_v from_o the_o pope_n etc._n etc._n it_o be_v not_o material_a from_o whence_o they_o come_v so_o they_o be_v good_a profitable_a &_o necessary_a for_o the_o mainteyn_v of_o religion_n learning_n wise_a &_o learned_a man_n but_o i_o pray_v you_o from_o what_o pope_n come_v they_o or_o in_o what_o time_n do_v the_o pope_n invent_v they_o i_o tell_v you_o before_o that_o such_o place_n and_o college_n be_v in_o augustine_n augustine_n deane_n allow_v by_o s._n augustine_n time_n &_o that_o he_o both_o have_v the_o name_n of_o m._n deane_n and_o allow_v of_o his_o office_n if_o you_o have_v read_v any_o ancient_a learned_a author_n as_o your_o writing_n declare_v you_o have_v not_o then_o shall_v you_o find_v that_o collegiate_n church_n be_v of_o great_a antiquity_n even_o since_o the_o year_n of_o our_o lord_n 235._o but_o what_o can_v you_o speak_v against_o cathedral_n church_n which_o you_o may_v not_o as_o well_o speak_v against_o the_o 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shall_v meddle_v with_o the_o civil_a punishment_n why_o shall_v it_o not_o be_v a_o help_n to_o the_o magistrate_n office_n that_o he_o shall_v excommunicate_v etc._n etc._n the_o answer_n be_v soon_o make_v the_o magistrate_n may_v do_v that_o by_o corporal_a punishment_n that_o the_o minister_n can_v not_o do_v by_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o man_n so_o desperate_a who_o the_o magistrate_n by_o his_o authority_n may_v not_o bridle_v but_o such_o be_v y_fw-fr e_o time_n now_o that_o few_o regard_n the_o great_a censure_n of_o the_o church_n chap._n 3._o the._n 3._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n 2._o and_o whereas_o m._n doctor_n say_v they_o may_v not_o be_v husband_n man_n craft_n man_n etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o may_v have_v civil_a office_n i_o think_v far_o otherwise_o that_o although_o neither_o be_v lawful_a yet_o the_o one_o be_v more_o tolerable_a than_o the_o other_o for_o see_v after_o the_o ministry_n of_o the_o word_n there_o 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and_o help_n to_o his_o office_n &_o function_n as_o i_o have_v say_v wherefore_o they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o break_v his_o back_n that_o they_o make_v the_o rest_n of_o his_o burden_n a_o great_a deal_n the_o easy_a chap._n 3._o the._n 4._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n 3_o and_o whereas_o in_o the_o policy_n of_o m._n doctor_n it_o seem_v a_o furtherance_n to_o the_o gospel_n to_o join_v these_o together_o which_o be_v also_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o idolater_n as_o i_o have_v before_o declare_v in_o the_o wisdom_n of_o god_n it_o have_v seem_v far_o otherwise_o which_o i_o doubt_v not_o do_v therefore_o separate_v the_o ministry_n from_o this_o pomp_n which_o be_v commendable_a in_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n lest_o the_o efficacy_n and_o power_n of_o the_o simplicity_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o of_o the_o ministry_n shall_v be_v obscure_v while_o man_n will_v attribute_v the_o conversion_n of_o soul_n unto_o the_o gospel_n due_a unto_o the_o word_n and_o to_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n to_o these_o glorious_a show_n and_o lest_o while_o the_o minister_n have_v the_o word_n in_o one_o hand_n and_o the_o swordem_n the_o other_o man_n shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o judge_v so_o well_o in_o their_o conscience_n â–ª_o of_o the_o mighty_a operation_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o they_o for_o they_o may_v doubt_n with_o themselves_o whether_o these_o be_v and_o outward_a show_n of_o the_o minister_n carry_v some_o stroke_n with_o they_o in_o beleve_v the_o word_n io._n whitgifte_n one_o of_o your_o reason_n contain_v in_o this_o place_n in_o effect_n be_v this_o if_o minister_n shall_v enjoy_v civil_a function_n man_n will_v attribute_v the_o conversion_n of_o soul_n unto_o these_o show_n but_o that_o ought_v they_o not_o to_o do_v therefore_o etc._n etc._n i_o deny_v your_o mayor_n as_o a_o fond_a and_o vain_a imagination_n
an_o other_o reason_n you_o frame_v on_o this_o sort_n if_o the_o minister_n have_v both_o civil_a and_o ecclesiastical_a power_n ▪_o man_n shall_v not_o be_v able_a to_o judge_v in_o their_o conscience_n of_o the_o mighty_a operation_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n in_o they_o for_o they_o may_v doubt_v whether_o the_o fear_n of_o the_o outward_a show_n of_o the_o minister_n carry_v ecclesiastical_a the_o replier_n argument_n sinit_v as_o well_o at_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d magistrate_n as_o at_o the_o ecclesiastical_a some_o stroke_n with_o they_o etc._n etc._n this_o be_v as_o vain_a a_o imagination_n as_o be_v the_o other_o and_o they_o both_o may_v as_o apt_o be_v apply_v against_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n as_o against_o the_o civil_a jurisdiction_n of_o the_o minister_n yea_o in_o deed_n they_o serve_v to_o the_o overthrow_n of_o all_o kind_n of_o civil_a punishment_n for_o if_o the_o magistrate_n make_v sharp_a law_n for_o come_v to_o the_o church_n hear_v the_o word_n of_o god_n contemn_v religion_n and_o such_o like_a man_n that_o by_o such_o mean_n be_v drive_v to_o hear_v the_o word_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n &_o so_o at_o the_o length_n convert_v may_v doubt_v whether_o the_o word_n have_v wrought_v this_o in_o they_o or_o the_o fear_n of_o outward_a punishment_n do_v you_o not_o mark_v how_o he_o still_o smite_v at_o the_o magistrate_n percy_n te_fw-la you_o not_o how_o near_o he_o approach_v to_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o anabaptiste_n who_o will_v have_v no_o kind_n of_o discipline_n in_o the_o church_n but_o only_a excommunication_n salvation_n god_n use_v corporal_a punishment_n as_o a_o mean_n to_o salvation_n but_o to_o answer_v you_o brief_o god_n use_v corporal_a punishment_n as_o a_o mean_n to_o drive_v ▪_o even_o the_o elect_a to_o the_o hear_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n &_o to_o honesty_n of_o life_n he_o use_v it_o also_o to_o bridle_v the_o wicked_a that_o by_o their_o example_n other_o man_n may_v learn_v to_o beware_v and_o that_o they_o themselves_o also_o may_v be_v keep_v in_o order_n and_o no_o man_n that_o be_v true_o convert_v by_o the_o preach_n of_o the_o word_n can_v doubt_v but_o that_o god_n by_o the_o work_n of_o his_o spirit_n through_o the_o ministry_n of_o his_o word_n have_v wrought_v that_o good_a in_o he_o though_o by_o external_a mean_n as_o fear_n of_o punishment_n and_o such_o like_a he_o be_v first_o as_o it_o be_v enforce_v to_o hear_v the_o word_n and_o to_o keep_v himself_o in_o order_n in_o deed_n if_o these_o reason_n of_o you_o be_v of_o any_o force_n the_o magistrate_n may_v put_v up_o his_o sword_n especial_o in_o ecclesiastical_a matter_n and_o so_o may_v the_o minister_n lie_v aside_o his_o authority_n also_o lest_o any_o thing_n be_v ascribe_v there_o unto_o your_o glance_n that_o this_o be_v also_o the_o policy_n of_o the_o idolater_n though_o you_o have_v not_o where_o prove_v it_o yet_o have_v i_o answer_v it_o before_o chap._n 3._o the._n 5._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 169._o sect._n ult._n but_o m._n doctor_n say_v that_o civil_a office_n be_v not_o to_o be_v count_v worldly_a affair_n but_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a ▪_o it_o be_v so_o and_o yet_o when_o they_o be_v compare_v with_o the_o ecclesiastical_a office_n they_o may_v be_v call_v secular_a office_n for_o so_o much_o as_o they_o to_o gether_o with_o the_o care_n of_o religion_n procure_v and_o provide_v for_o the_o thing_n whereby_o we_o may_v quiet_o and_o commodious_o live_v here_o where_o the_o ecclesiastical_a office_n be_v immediate_o and_o only_o bend_v to_o procure_v the_o glory_n of_o god_n and_o the_o salvation_n of_o man_n and_o in_o that_o signification_n of_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a which_o you_o take_v merchandise_n husbandry_n and_o the_o handycrafte_n be_v heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a although_o not_o in_o the_o same_o degree_n all_o lawful_a calling_n come_v from_o god_n and_o return_v to_o he_o again_o that_o be_v he_o be_v both_o author_n of_o they_o and_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v refer_v to_o his_o glory_n so_o that_o if_o the_o minister_n may_v exercise_v all_o thing_n which_o be_v heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a you_o may_v as_o well_o bring_v he_o down_o to_o the_o plough_n as_o promote_v he_o to_o the_o court_n io._n whitgifte_n i_o call_v they_o ecclesiastical_a because_o they_o perteyne_a to_o the_o inward_a man_n to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a the_o cluill_a jurisdiction_n now_o use_v be_v in_o some_o respect_n ecclesiastical_a reformation_n of_o manner_n to_o the_o punishment_n of_o sin_n to_o the_o maintenance_n of_o religion_n to_o the_o quietness_n of_o the_o church_n and_o good_a order_n in_o the_o same_o so_o do_v not_o all_o cyvill_a office_n much_o less_o husbandry_n merchandise_n handycrafte_n go_v to_o the_o plough_n and_o such_o like_a which_o only_o perteyne_a to_o the_o body_n and_o to_o this_o life_n not_o be_v refer_v to_o the_o end_n that_o i_o have_v before_o name_v wherefore_o here_o your_o wit_n fail_v you_o and_o i_o look_v for_o a_o better_a answer_n chap._n 3._o the._n 6._o division_n t._n c._n pag._n 170._o lin._n 6._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d m._n doctor_n say_v that_o the_o office_n of_o a_o commissioner_n be_v ecclesiastical_a because_o it_o handle_v ecclesiastical_a cause_n i_o marvel_v that_o he_o be_v so_o ignorant_a that_o he_o can_v not_o put_v a_o difference_n between_o give_v iudiciail_n sentence_n and_o appoint_v bodily_a punishment_n which_o be_v mere_a civil_a and_o between_o the_o understanding_n the_o truth_n of_o every_o such_o cause_n according_a as_o the_o word_n of_o god_n define_v of_o it_o which_o be_v a_o thing_n common_a as_o well_o unto_o the_o magistrate_n as_o unto_o the_o minister_n &_o wherein_o the_o minister_n because_o he_o ought_v to_o be_v most_o ready_a ought_v if_o need_v be_v consult_v with_o io._n whitgifte_n sure_o i_o think_v you_o scarce_o understande_v yourself_o for_o if_o the_o cause_n be_v ecclesiastical_a why_o may_v not_o the_o punishment_n by_o 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not_o unto_o the_o magistrate_n to_o execute_v law_n as_o well_o as_o to_o make_v they_o and_o as_o if_o the_o magistrate_n be_v not_o therefore_o call_v a_o speak_a law_n because_o by_o execute_v they_o he_o do_v cause_n the_o law_n after_o a_o fashion_n to_o speak_v this_o be_v to_o divide_v the_o stake_n of_o the_o magistrate_n between_o he_o and_o the_o bishop_n yea_o to_o gyve_v the_o bishop_n the_o best_a part_n of_o it_o for_o we_o know_v that_o with_o we_o the_o people_n be_v at_o make_v of_o the_o law_n which_o may_v not_o meddle_v with_o the_o execution_n of_o they_o and_o if_o m._n doctor_n say_v that_o he_o mean_v not_o hereby_o to_o shut_v the_o prince_n from_o execute_v the_o law_n then_o as_o his_o similitude_n when_o it_o be_v at_o the_o best_a prove_v nothing_o so_o by_o this_o mean_v it_o halt_v down_o right_a and_o be_v no_o similitude_n io._n whitgifte_n the_o prince_n execute_v his_o law_n by_o himself_o &_o he_o also_o execute_v they_o by_o other_o to_o who_o he_o 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〈◊〉_d be_v never_o shut_v ▪_o remember_v m._n doctor_n that_o light_n be_v come_v into_o that_o world_n and_o eye_n the_o revenge_a eye_n man_n will_v not_o be_v delude_v with_o nothing_o nor_o abuse_v with_o visard_n neither_o let_v it_o embolden_v you_o which_o peradventure_o have_v make_v poli_fw-fr presume_v the_o more_o in_o ▪_o this_o book_n to_o write_v any_o thing_n upon_o hope_n that_o no_o man_n dare_v answer_v it_o for_o neither_o the_o queen_n majesty_n nor_o her_o honourable_a counsel_n as_o we_o be_v persuade_v will_v deal_v so_o sharp_o with_o those_o who_o they_o know_v to_o be_v faithful_a and_o lawful_a subject_n which_o pray_v that_o all_o the_o treasure_n of_o god_n wisdom_n may_v be_v pour_v upon_o they_o neither_o have_v we_o cause_n to_o think_v but_o that_o as_o the_o evil_a opinion_n which_o be_v in_o part_n conceive_v of_o we_o have_v grow_v upon_o false_a and_o untrue_a information_n which_o you_o and_o such_o other_o have_v give_v in_o cry_v in_o their_o 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