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inchant_v as_o well_o as_o to_o instruct_v or_o admonish_v but_o here_o it_o must_v of_o necessity_n be_v render_v in_o the_o latter_a signification_n because_o it_o be_v here_o the_o participle_n of_o the_o active_a voice_n and_o the_o case_n agree_v nâ—t_v with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o with_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v put_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o that_o clause_n so_o again_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o tâ—anslates_v the_o rest_n that_o be_v like_o themselves_o they_o may_v glad_o receive_v whereas_o it_o shall_v be_v thus_o but_o receive_v those_o that_o be_v not_o such_o that_o be_v as_o those_o wicked_a person_n last_o speak_v of_o these_o be_v poor_a grammarpec_n adillio_n not_o worth_a tâ—e_v take_v notice_n of_o but_o that_o our_o remonstrant_n be_v so_o busy_a with_o his_o ferula_fw-la that_o no_o soon_o can_v he_o think_v we_o trip_v but_o he_o be_v present_o upon_o we_o corrige_n magn_n ficat_fw-la the_o rest_n of_o our_o testimony_n 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that_o this_o his_o commentary_n corrupt_v the_o text_n for_o in_o this_o 91_o canon_n there_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o word_n be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o magistrate_n or_o those_o that_o be_v of_o chief_a authority_n in_o those_o place_n these_o we_o grant_v be_v as_o it_o be_v our_o alderman_n man_n of_o civil_a power_n and_o authority_n but_o they_o be_v not_o as_o those_o elder_n mention_v in_o the_o 100_o canon_n and_o why_o shall_v the_o remonstrant_a choose_v rather_o to_o follow_v justellus_n in_o read_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d seniores_fw-la locorum_fw-la then_o balsamon_n and_o zonaras_n who_o read_v it_o quiprimas_fw-la ferant_fw-la unless_o it_o be_v to_o deceive_v his_o credulous_a reader_n and_o induce_v he_o to_o think_v there_o be_v no_o other_o elder_n in_o the_o church_n than_o such_o as_o be_v civil_a magistrate_n whereas_o his_o own_o justellus_n in_o his_o exposition_n of_o the_o 100_o canon_n say_v 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