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A55558 Mr. Powels answer to a late fictitious pamphlet put forth by two leading Quakers, viz. John Vaughton and John Feild in which their account of a discourse between them and him is here rectified : every thing that is material in their said book answered and several notorious lies therein detected to the just shame of the publishers : also good counsel in the conclusion of the whole to such that are the principal leaders of the Quakers ... with an epistolary discourse touching the imputation of sin to Christ ... Powell, Thomas.; Vaughton, John, 1644-1712.; Field, John, 1652-1723. 1676 (1676) Wing P3067B; ESTC R24064 19,612 24

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tell 〈◊〉 they would not go out of the place unless I would dispute the Point ●●n when I should Preach or suffer them to declare their Testimony gainst me to the people And then they would depart I told them I dared not enter into a Disputation on the Lords day and at that time when I should Preach If you will defend your self ●y they we will tarry till you have done Preaching I still alledg'd an conveniency of so doing in respect of the day and then of my inability which without doubt would have been if I after I had Preach'd ●ice had then engaged with all them that were fresh The Assembly ●ing great for a Countrey Assembly I was mov'd with compassion of ●●l and being loth to lose the opportunity of Preaching to them I was ●illing to condescend to any probable way to please my Adversaries and ●●erefore told them that I would discourse the Point on the Monday allowing assoon in the Morning as they would at which all the People ●●uted saying It was fair It was fair yet unto this would not ●●se Men yield unless Articles were subserib'd unto after what man●● the Disputation should be managed and all this on the Lords Day which would have taken up our present opportunity whereas I would not we made any such Proposal to them about disputing with them my ●f had it not been pure Necessity viz. to please the Adversaries ●ut so we might not lose our present opportunity of waiting upon ●●d in his way as we esteem'd but such Roysters were they that ●y would have their own way in spight of our Teeth insomuch that ●y made us who were a great Assembly to desert our Place for could not get them out unless as aforesaid we would have ●ip'd them and Scourg'd them which were the occasion of my taking those words And after we were gone two of those Qua●s got into my Pulpit and there Preach'd only I think they throw'd ●n the Cushion After this I was forc'd by reason of their defaming me to put fort● Paper in defence of my self Entituled A Word to the Wise is ●●ough which I have here Inserted for the Information of such that might not see the Paper alone Since this the Quakers put forth Book against me which is That that I have Answer'd in the ensuing Sheets And thus Reader I 'le assure thee thou hast a true Narrative of the Quakers Proceedings against me which have been so irr● gular boistrous and uncivil that I never knew the like all my days an● could not have believ'd it unless I my self had experienced it and 〈◊〉 withal think that never any one was more troubled with them as m●self during the time and considering all other circumstances I do further declare that the malice of these Men is so much again●● me for I know not what that I fear to go any where by my self th●● have so dogg'd me and follow●d me into all Places and I am but 〈◊〉 young Man newly Arriv'd to the one and twentieth year of my Age and what should be the reason of their so assaulting me as they do tru●● I know not I never medled with their opinions i.e. so as others hav● done never uttered any invective speeches against them always till no● had very charitable thoughts especially of him that is now become 〈◊〉 enemy because I Preach the Truth as it is in Jesus and will not co●form to his ways I come now to the Doctrine of Imputation being the thing in deba●● between the Quakers and my self * Mr. Pen cal●s it A Doctrine of Devils Bellarmine himself after many Disputations about Justification doth yet conclude Tutissimum est fiduciam totam in sola Dei misericordia benignitate reponere It is most safe to put all our confidence in the sole mercy and power of God De Justificat l. 5. c. 7. and that which by them as be●● bran●ed with all the ignominious Epithites and Appellations that th●● could give unto it yet a doctrine so fundamental that I would 〈◊〉 for a world but that I did confide in and upon it lay the whole stress 〈◊〉 my salvation and would to God that Papist Socinians and Quake●● would come to this before it be too late for how many have strenuou●●● argued against the aforesaid doctrine that in the approach of de●●● have chang'd their opinion about it Now denying or gain-saying 〈◊〉 this being an errour of pernicious consequence I shall here consider 〈◊〉 according to my poor abilities This Doctrine of Imputation as I humbly conceive includes a●● signifies two things 1. Our sins reckoned Christs 2. Christs Rig●●teousness reckoned ours That which I shall principally manage is the former viz. Our sins reckoned Christs And that I may briefly and clearly speak to this because 't is for the unknowing in this Point th●● I design this Disoourse take me as followeth and I hope 't is a●cording to Scripture and the Sentiments of the Pious in all Ages That our Lord Jesus did undergo punishment we have a full rel●●●●● ●● thereof in the History of his Life and Death all that I shall ●● in the Defence of this great Truth is this Either Christ died ●ly or unjustly I mean God the Father in punishing his Son Act●● therein either justly or unjustly unjustly who dares to assert justly ●o dares to deny and if God inflicted punishment on his Son just●● then of necessity his Sonmust be a peccant Person one way or other i.e. sinner If he was a sinner it must be either inherently or imputively inherently he was not imputatively he was or else he could it have undergone punishment Christ was accounted a sinner by ticked men but this is not all he was accounted also a sinner by his Fa●●er or else his Father would not have dealt so severely with him as he ●●id why did such a Father deal with such a Son what was the cause ●●at a Person so innocent should suffer as he did Secondly 't was 〈◊〉 not his but ours had it not been for this God had never sent his ●●n in Flesh and then have punished him in that Flesh as he did Christ might thank Sin for all his sufferings and lay all the evils which ●sustained in soul and body at its doors Sin set his Father against him Sin laid the Foundation of all his sorrows Sin brew'd that bitter ●up which he was to drink Sin was the meritorious cause of all the siseries that befel him 1 Pet. 3.18 For Christ also hath once effered for sins so that Christ died not only for an example but for ●ns and that either for his own or for others not for his own I say gain and again which maintains the Purity of our Saviour but for ●hers which doth not impeach his Purity Christ was a Sinner by ●uputation and reputation the latter of which the Quakers will grant ●ut the former they deny both of which Divines do assert viz. Christ the greatest
Sinner in the World by Imputation and Reputation and yet still not a Sinner at all inherently or actually so that if it ●ere not malice and envy in men what need they misrepresent any one 〈◊〉 the World for holding Christ to be a Sinner whenas they have what they seem to desire to have viz. That Christ was not a Sinner in he ●ently or actually Can any more be spoken in the defence of Holy Jeus then this If I or I dare say any of my Reverend Fathers and ●rethren do affirm holy Christ to be a Sinner it is then according ●he import of those Phrases in Seripture Isa 53.6 And the Lord ●ath laid on him the Iniquity of us all Now in sin there is ma●a and the reatus the stain or the filth and the guilt of it Or iniquity or ●●ns There is in sin the fact the fault and the guilt the two for●ur are solely ours but the third and last Christ was pleased to take upon himself What is guilt but obligation unto punishment if the Holy Jesus will freely put himself under that Obligation Sufcipiende ●enam non suscipiende culpam culpam delevit paenam Aug. de Serm. Dom. in Luc. Serm. 37. what can 〈◊〉 said against it certainly that he might do and yet in himself be as holy and innocent as ever he was and neither he the Committer of sin nor in the least defiled by it for the macula and the reatus are two different things Christs sufferings we all grant are Penall but how could they have been so without guilt Guilt therefore he had not contracted but assumed Punishment necessary presupposeth guilt he first took the guilt upon him and then the punishment 2 Cor. 5.21 He hath made himself to be sin for us 'T is well known those words He hath made him to be fin sounds more harsh then if it had been said He hath made him to be a finner There may be good in a sinner for good and bad are sinners but there can be no good in sin sin is evil it self in the abstract and therefore can admit of no good at all Sin is the quality Sinner the subject both are bad enough but of the two the quality inherent is the worse so that there is more in these words He hath made him to be sin then we are aware of By sin here I know many understand a Sacrifice for sin as the word Sin somtimes is taken which I acknowledge to be a godly sense yet that 's not all it notes also his voluntary susception of the sinners guilt Thus Doctor Jacomb on the Place I shall further adde Methinks the Holy Ghost choosing to term Christ rather Sin then Sinner seems hereby to respect the magnitude and multitude of sins that were upon our Saviour which the word Sinner could not so well comprehend as the word Sin 1 Pet. 2.29 Who his own self bear our sins in his own body on the Tree The punishment of them did he bear He hath made him to be sin i.e. He hath made him to be a sinner saya Downham upon the place He hath made him to be sin i.e. saith Trap upon the place a Sin-offering or an exceecing sin ner surely the guilt also or else I understand not how he should bear the punishment of them Again I know not any Medium more apt whereby to evince this truth then considering two things in this grand Sacrifice our Lord Jesus 1. The meritorious cause of his being a Sacrifice viz. Sin not his own but his Peoples This we have already touch'd upon The other is the Surrogation and Vicegerency of Christ our grand Sacrifice i.e. He was a Sacrifice on our behalf Christ substituttd himself in the Sinners room took our guilt upon him and put himself in our place died not only for our good but in our stead did undergo what we should have undergone vouch safed to die that we might not die Now the Socinians and Quakers cannot endure to hear this Oh how do they rally all their force unite all their strength set themselves with their might to oppose and beat down this great truth To deny is suffering in our stead is to loose the Corner-stone of our Juntion saith Mr. Flavel Serm. Gal. 3.13 Yea they which do ●●y it saith Dr. Jacomb are pernicious Gospel-destroyers As suffering dying satisfying in our stead room or place is e●●d by all as the sum of Gospel-Revelation the great Article of the ●stian faith the main prop and foundation of a believers hope And ●●ll observed by our Divines who assert the Vicegerency and Sub●●tion of Christ in his sufferings that all those Greek Particles ●●h we translate for when applied to the sufferings of Christ do the meritorious deserving procuring cause of his suffering Thus ● 10.12 He offered one sacrifice 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for sins ●● 3.18 Christ once suffered 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for sins Rom. 4.25 He delivered 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for offences Matth. 20.28 He gave his life a some 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for many Christ suffered for us i.e. in the stead ●● and place of us So that it is evident as Christ suffered in our ●● took the guilt of our sins upon him he was the greatest of sinners ●articular sinner having only his own sins to answer for but Jesus ●●st though he had no sin of his own yet he had all the sins of the ●●t laid upon him and so he has more to answer for then any partier sinner and therefore in that sense is the greatest of sinners be●●s Scripture alloweth viz. those three Isa 53.6 2 Cor. 5.21 1 Pet. ●4 Samething of this truth may be shadowed forth by this Plain Simile sohn Vaughton should engage himself for the greatest part of the ●tors in the World and is accepted for their Surety may not he the justly reputed the greatest Debtor because he assumeth their ●●ts unto him though he never contracted them I shall leave my ●●der to apply it because I will not be tedious Testimonies of the Fathers that Christ was made a sinner for us I shall only hereunto ●e what Divines ancient and moaern have said about this same ●●g (n) 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Chrysostom Him that knew no sin saith the Apostle Him was Righteou sness it self he made sin that is he suffered him to indemn'd as a sinner and to die as one accursed The like have Oecumenius His Son being Righteousness and Holiness He made that is he suffered him to be crucified as a sinner and as a guilty son so likewise on Heb. 9. ult He further saith Christ was very much a sinner as having taken upon him the sins of the whole world and made them his own Bishop Downham quotes Thophilact and Theodoret for the 〈◊〉 purpose Augustin Interpreting those words of Psa 22. v. 1. ●●cording to the Translation of the Septuagint and the Vulgar L●●●● Verba Delictorum meorum